But....Japan has gun control? So how was the Prime Minister shot? Breaking news.....

[Faun]

So.....you think the number killed in truck and car attacks is so small that we don't need to ban cars and trucks....

Meanwhile, mass public shootings in 2021..... total 6.....killed 43 people......

The truck attack in Nice killed 86 people, wounded 434......

The total number of people killed in the entire year of mass public shootings in the U.S. was 43.....the entire year......

So.....you don't think that the small number of deaths by car and truck attacks warrants banning them...

But the 43 people killed in mass public shootings warrants banning and confiscating 600 million guns from people who have never used them to commit any crime...

That is why we think you are a moron...

LOL

So now you're trying to compare the total number of intentional deaths by cars with just a select number of intentional deaths by guns?

You lying piece of shit.

 

[2aguy]

LOL

So now you're trying to compare the total number of intentional deaths by cars with just a select number of intentional deaths by guns?

You lying piece of shit.

Nope...you did that......

And if you want to compare the total number of accidental car deaths to accidental gun deaths, you still lose....

2020

Accidental car deaths.......42,339

Accidental gun deaths...... 535

600 million guns in private hands....over 21.5 million Americans now carry guns in public for self defense.......

 

[2aguy]

No one has banned law abiding citizens from owning a gun. In meantime, gun regulations work. All you have to is compare rates of gun violence in countries like Japan, and the US.

No......you are making a stupid comparison......Japan has an authoritarian police force, and actually enforces the gun laws they have......

Japan's low gun crime rate is due to their police state, not their gun laws....if they allowed normal Japanese citizens to own and carry guns, their gun crime rate would still be low......

The facts.......

First a comparison.......

Japan vs. the United States in Dealing with gun criminals.....notice the difference...

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols

Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for theorganization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

--A police officer in Osaka’s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, “In the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, we’re almost always going to charge them with attempted murder—which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ‘the pig-house’ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.”

He added, “Unless you’re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you don’t use a gun. The crime isn’t worth the time in jail.”



In the U.S....how democrats deal with actual gun criminals....

Davis was originally arrested and charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a license in Detroit, and the judge assigned to his case ordered that Davis wear a GPS monitoring device as a condition of his bond.

There’s nothing unusual about that, but what’s raising eyebrows, particularly among local police, is what happened afterprosecutors repeatedly told the judge that Davis was violating the terms of his bond, including allegedly taking part in a drive-by shooting.

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So, by the time Davis appeared before the judge in late May, he’d already had five alleged bond violations and two arrests for separate incidents, including the drive-by shooting.

The judge could have ordered Davis’ bond revoked and remanded him into custody until his trial, but instead Hathaway took a much different approach: continuing his bond but ordering the removal of the GPS monitoring device that had alerted authorities to his alleged lawbreaking.

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As you might have guessed, that didn’t stop Davis’ alleged criminal activity. About a month later police, who were now paying attention to Davis’ social media feeds, watched on Instagram as Davis held a gun and allegedly threatened violence against other individuals.

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The two illegal alien mass public shooters given 15,000 dollars bond...



Brietbart....

On Wednesday, as Breitbart News reported, the Richmond Police Department announced the arrests of Guatemalan nationals 52-year-old illegal alien Julio Alvardo Dubon and 38-year-old illegal alien Rolman Balacarcel Ac for allegedly plotting a mass shooting at the city’s July 4th celebration.

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The American citizen who thwarted the mass shooting plot called police after he heard a man discussing a plan to “shoot up” Richmond’s annual Fourth of July celebration.

hat is when police raided Dubon’s residence to find two rifles, a handgun, and 223 rounds of ammunition. Dubon was subsequently charged with being in possession of a firearm as an alien to the U.S.

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Dubon has been booked into the Richmond City Jail on a $15,000 bail. Though police said Ac was also booked, his records do not appear in the city jail’s records.


Illegal Aliens Plotted July 4th Mass Shooting, Thwarted by 'Hero Citizen'

4th of July Shootout Averted

Do you see the difference?

In Japan...you are not getting bail....in Japan, you are going to jail, and then to prison where you will serve out your sentence...and if it is a gun crime, you are going away for a minimum of 15 years....

The democrats in the U.S. are releasing known gun felons, with multiple felonies.....on no cash bail.......as you see above....

That is why they don't have gun crime, and we do....our criminals do not fear our justice system.......the criminals in Japan fear their justice system.

 

[2aguy]

LOL

So now you're trying to compare the total number of intentional deaths by cars with just a select number of intentional deaths by guns?

You lying piece of shit.

Nope...apples to apples.....

And again.....cars accidentally kill more people than criminals kill using guns illegally to commit murder....

No matter how you slice it, cars are deadlier than guns......even in mass public attacks, trucks and cars kill more people than guys with rifle do....

 

[2aguy]

No one has banned law abiding citizens from owning a gun. In meantime, gun regulations work. All you have to is compare rates of gun violence in countries like Japan, and the US.

Can you tell us.....are fully automatic weapons and hand grenades illegal in Japan........?

The Yakuza in 2006 went to war for 7 years and used fully automatic weaons and grenades.......I do believe both are illegal in Japan, but maybe you could look that up for us........

The Great Japanese Gang Wars

The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.

In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).
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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight

The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course. It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
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In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.

 

[2aguy]

No one has banned law abiding citizens from owning a gun. In meantime, gun regulations work. All you have to is compare rates of gun violence in countries like Japan, and the US.

Do you understand the amount of power Japanese police and prosecutors have? You guys hate American police, so how do you think you would like Japanese police and prosecutors and their ability to put you in prison?

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency.


The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.

 

[Faun]

Nope...you did that......

And if you want to compare the total number of accidental car deaths to accidental gun deaths, you still lose....

2020

Accidental car deaths.......42,339

Accidental gun deaths...... 535

600 million guns in private hands....over 21.5 million Americans now carry guns in public for self defense.......

Your dementia worsens. No one is calling for more gun control over accidental shootings.

 

[Faun]

Nope...apples to apples.....

And again.....cars accidentally kill more people than criminals kill using guns illegally to commit murder....

No matter how you slice it, cars are deadlier than guns......even in mass public attacks, trucks and cars kill more people than guys with rifle do....

See post #147.

 

[2aguy]

Your dementia worsens. No one is calling for more gun control over accidental shootings.

No.....not yet......they are calling for gun control over 6 individuals in 2021, 2 in 2020.........the rarest of rare events........and yet idiots like you want to use them to ban and confiscate guns....

 

[Faun]

No.....not yet......

Thanks for admitting your post was nonsensical.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It's a thread on USMB you lazy jackass.

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Lazy

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Your dementia worsens. No one is calling for more gun control over accidental shootings.

No, you are calling for people control.

 

[HenryBHough]

If this is what Japanese gun control can bring then I want it and I want it NOW.

 

[Vagabond63]

Yes, once in a blue moon a gun stops an incident. It has the same odds of a gun incident in Japan.

You do know that the writer of the article quoted by 2aguy was fired for sexual assault? Suppose that makes him an "exprt" on the subject...

 

[NoNukes]

Soooo.....Japan has gun control....but the Prime Minister was shot..........how does that work?

Shinzo Abe, former prime minister of Japan, reportedly suffered a gunshot wound while giving a campaign speech in Nara in western Japan ahead of Sunday’s election for the parliament’s upper house.

HORROR: Japan's Former PM Shinzo Abe Assassinated

pjmedia.com

Anti-gun fanatics hardest hit by the news.....

Illegal handguns cause such incidents. How stupid are you?

 

[Vagabond63]

You asked 10-15 years....2012, one of the years of the Yakuza war, is within that time frame.....that you want to pretend the Yakuza don't count is why we don't trust assholes like you....

But, but... one of your main arguments when anyone mentions the huge number of gun killings in America, is that you cannot count criminal on criminal gun violence. Well if that's the case, you can't count it in Japan or anywhere else in the world.

 

[surada]

Yes...again....remember.....Japan murdered 3 million innocent men, women and children during the war...committed atrocities they still haven't acknowledged......

So again......no comparison between us and them....

Now...

..what if we averaged the number of gun murders over the entire history of the United States.... 246 years, and compare it to Europe.....

This won't include all gun deaths, since even here, the majority are done by the government against our citizens....see the democrat party Civil War.......

So....I took 10,000 as an average number of gun murders.....some years more, some years less....later we can even bump thatnumber up...but (spoiler), it won't change the underlying truth...


Soooo...10,000 gun murders a year X 246..... punch that in to the calculator ( who has time for doing it by hand....)



We get?



2,460,000 gun murders......I know, I know.....gun crime in the early colonies didn't reach 10,000 murders a year....you only get that if you look at the future democrat party members and what they would do to their slaves....

Sooo...

246 years....and we average out to 2,460,000 gun murders........


What about old Europe.....

in the 6 years between 1939-1945 when the socialists in German and their conquered countries began to murder their citizens.....what was the grand total of their murder?



15 million....innocent men, women and children.......murdered by their governments....



I don't know about you, but I went to public school, but I can still see how those numbers are falling out....and..........the United States gun murder isn't the biggest problem when it comes to murder.....











Now.....I know...this is going to cause major butt hurt among the left wing, anti-gun fanatics out there...they will cry out about the most recent gun murder numbers after 5 years of the democrat party attacking the police...forcing them to not do their jobs....and the democrat party refusing to prosecute gun criminals....and then releasing gun criminals from jail and prison like they were on sale.....so we have a higher rate of gun murder because of the democrats and their policies...



So heck....let's indulge them like the spoiled little infants that they are....



Lets bump up the average number of gun murders to 20,000.....which is far more than the actual average, but I am a generous kinda guy....



20,000 X 246 years = 4,920,000



over 246 years....



Again...matching that to Europe....



1939-1945..... 6 years.....



15 million murdered...........



The gun murders in the U.S...the vast majority of the victims are criminals...murdered by other criminals as they engage in crime........and their unfortunate friends and family caught in that crossfire....



In Europe?



The vast majority of the murdered were innocent men, women and children.....not collateral from the socialist war....simply murdered by their governments.....



Nope...........not freaking giving up our guns cause anti-gun fanatics tell us to trust the government.....



Expect to see these calculations in future discussions.....



As to the 15,000,000 million number...the source...

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NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists


By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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How many gun crimes has Japan had in the past 5 years?

 

[surada]

Captain Caveman
He is a grade A idiot.

 

[Faun]

No, you are calling for people control.

Like telling adult women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Like telling adult women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

Right. Exactly like that.

The only difference is that gun rights are enumerated.

So we all agree that there should be no federal authority over guns or abortions, right?