But....Japan has gun control? So how was the Prime Minister shot? Breaking news.....

[2aguy]

But, but... one of your main arguments when anyone mentions the huge number of gun killings in America, is that you cannot count criminal on criminal gun violence. Well if that's the case, you can't count it in Japan or anywhere else in the world.

That is a lie...

Nope.....never said that....I correctly state that criminal on criminal violence is our main gun murder number, while mass public shootings is tiny in number and deaths......and that mixing the two together is a lie that anti-gun fanatics use to make it look like mass public shootings happen far more than they do.....

The number of actual mass public shootings in the U.S. in 2021 was 6....total killed 43. The anti-gun fanatics claim it is hundreds of mass public shootings......the shootings they claim are criminals shooting at other criminals....and not actual mass public shootings...

Two very different acts....two very different solutions....but....with only 6 mass public shootings in 2021, and only 2 in 2022, it is hard to use numbers that low to stampede Americans into giving up their Rights....so they mix gangs shooting at each other with mass public shootings...to lie to uninformed people...

I also state that you can't count suicides in the gun murder rate, which anti-gun fanatics do all the time..

YOu guys, when I point out the fact that your criminals get guns easily...and that illegal guns are flooding Britain, as the police have stated to the press....don't count because their victims are criminals. That is what you do...

 

[2aguy]

Captain Caveman
He is a grade A idiot.

A lot fewer once they began actually locking up Yakuza members who used guns.......I posted the difference between how they now handle their gun criminals......and how democrats in the U.S. handle our gun criminals.....I'll repeat it here....

You can see the difference...in Japan, if you are caught with an illegal gun you go to prison for 15 years.....if you have bullet with that gun, it is a longer sentence.....and you serve that sentence.....they do not plea bargain away the gun charge, you do not get bail...you do not get no cash bail....you serve 15 years.......

In the U.S.?

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”



The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.





Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.



Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.



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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”



--A police officer in Osaka’s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, “In the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, we’re almost always going to charge them with attempted murder—which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ‘the pig-house’ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.”

He added, “Unless you’re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you don’t use a gun. The crime isn’t worth the time in jail.”





In the U.S....how democrats deal with actual gun criminals....



Davis was originally arrested and charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a license in Detroit, and the judge assigned to his case ordered that Davis wear a GPS monitoring device as a condition of his bond.



There’s nothing unusual about that, but what’s raising eyebrows, particularly among local police, is what happened after prosecutors repeatedly told the judge that Davis was violating the terms of his bond, including allegedly taking part in a drive-by shooting.

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So, by the time Davis appeared before the judge in late May, he’d already had five alleged bond violations and two arrests for separate incidents, including the drive-by shooting.





The judge could have ordered Davis’ bond revoked and remanded him into custody until his trial, but instead Hathaway took a much different approach: continuing his bond but ordering the removal of the GPS monitoring device that had alerted authorities to his alleged lawbreaking.

----

As you might have guessed, that didn’t stop Davis’ alleged criminal activity. About a month later police, who were now paying attention to Davis’ social media feeds, watched on Instagram as Davis held a gun and allegedly threatened violence against other individuals.

http://[URL='https://bearingarms.co...e-study-in-not-enforcing-existing-laws-n60124

[/URL]



The two illegal alien mass public shooters given 15,000 dollars bond...



Brietbart....



On Wednesday, as Breitbart News reported, the Richmond Police Department announced the arrests of Guatemalan nationals 52-year-old illegal alien Julio Alvardo Dubon and 38-year-old illegal alien Rolman Balacarcel Ac for allegedly plotting a mass shooting at the city’s July 4th celebration.

---

The American citizen who thwarted the mass shooting plot called police after he heard a man discussing a plan to “shoot up” Richmond’s annual Fourth of July celebration.



That is when police raided Dubon’s residence to find two rifles, a handgun, and 223 rounds of ammunition. Dubon was subsequently charged with being in possession of a firearm as an alien to the U.S.

---

Dubon has been booked into the Richmond City Jail on a $15,000 bail. Though police said Ac was also booked, his records do not appear in the city jail’s records.



Illegal Aliens Plotted July 4th Mass Shooting, Thwarted by 'Hero Citizen'



4th of July Shootout Averted

See...it isn't that America has guns that is the difference.......if the Japanese had guns, they wouldn't use them to commit crimes....the culture doesn't allow it....while the democrat party here in the U.S. guarantees that violent gun offenders go free to keep shooting at people....

That is the difference....a difference that you guys don't want to acknowledge..........you just hate guns....

 

[2aguy]

Like telling adult women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

We don't tell them what they can do with their bodies...we just don't want them murdering their babies because some left wing guy doesn't want to support the child...

 

[surada]

A lot fewer once they began actually locking up Yakuza members who used guns.......I posted the difference between how they now handle their gun criminals......and how democrats in the U.S. handle our gun criminals.....I'll repeat it here....

You can see the difference...in Japan, if you are caught with an illegal gun you go to prison for 15 years.....if you have bullet with that gun, it is a longer sentence.....and you serve that sentence.....they do not plea bargain away the gun charge, you do not get bail...you do not get no cash bail....you serve 15 years.......

In the U.S.?

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”



The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.





Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.



Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.



-----

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”



--A police officer in Osaka’s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, “In the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, we’re almost always going to charge them with attempted murder—which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ‘the pig-house’ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.”

He added, “Unless you’re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you don’t use a gun. The crime isn’t worth the time in jail.”





In the U.S....how democrats deal with actual gun criminals....



Davis was originally arrested and charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a license in Detroit, and the judge assigned to his case ordered that Davis wear a GPS monitoring device as a condition of his bond.



There’s nothing unusual about that, but what’s raising eyebrows, particularly among local police, is what happened after prosecutors repeatedly told the judge that Davis was violating the terms of his bond, including allegedly taking part in a drive-by shooting.

-----





So, by the time Davis appeared before the judge in late May, he’d already had five alleged bond violations and two arrests for separate incidents, including the drive-by shooting.





The judge could have ordered Davis’ bond revoked and remanded him into custody until his trial, but instead Hathaway took a much different approach: continuing his bond but ordering the removal of the GPS monitoring device that had alerted authorities to his alleged lawbreaking.

----

As you might have guessed, that didn’t stop Davis’ alleged criminal activity. About a month later police, who were now paying attention to Davis’ social media feeds, watched on Instagram as Davis held a gun and allegedly threatened violence against other individuals.

http://[URL='https://bearingarms.co...e-study-in-not-enforcing-existing-laws-n60124

[/URL]



The two illegal alien mass public shooters given 15,000 dollars bond...



Brietbart....



On Wednesday, as Breitbart News reported, the Richmond Police Department announced the arrests of Guatemalan nationals 52-year-old illegal alien Julio Alvardo Dubon and 38-year-old illegal alien Rolman Balacarcel Ac for allegedly plotting a mass shooting at the city’s July 4th celebration.

---

The American citizen who thwarted the mass shooting plot called police after he heard a man discussing a plan to “shoot up” Richmond’s annual Fourth of July celebration.



That is when police raided Dubon’s residence to find two rifles, a handgun, and 223 rounds of ammunition. Dubon was subsequently charged with being in possession of a firearm as an alien to the U.S.

---

Dubon has been booked into the Richmond City Jail on a $15,000 bail. Though police said Ac was also booked, his records do not appear in the city jail’s records.



Illegal Aliens Plotted July 4th Mass Shooting, Thwarted by 'Hero Citizen'



4th of July Shootout Averted

See...it isn't that America has guns that is the difference.......if the Japanese had guns, they wouldn't use them to commit crimes....the culture doesn't allow it....while the democrat party here in the U.S. guarantees that violent gun offenders go free to keep shooting at people....

That is the difference....a difference that you guys don't want to acknowledge..........you just hate guns....

A lot fewer once they began actually locking up Yakuza members who used guns.......I posted the difference between how they now handle their gun criminals......and how democrats in the U.S. handle our gun criminals.....I'll repeat it here....

You can see the difference...in Japan, if you are caught with an illegal gun you go to prison for 15 years.....if you have bullet with that gun, it is a longer sentence.....and you serve that sentence.....they do not plea bargain away the gun charge, you do not get bail...you do not get no cash bail....you serve 15 years.......

In the U.S.?

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”



The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.





Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.



Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.



-----

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”



--A police officer in Osaka’s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, “In the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, we’re almost always going to charge them with attempted murder—which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ‘the pig-house’ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.”

He added, “Unless you’re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you don’t use a gun. The crime isn’t worth the time in jail.”





In the U.S....how democrats deal with actual gun criminals....



Davis was originally arrested and charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a license in Detroit, and the judge assigned to his case ordered that Davis wear a GPS monitoring device as a condition of his bond.



There’s nothing unusual about that, but what’s raising eyebrows, particularly among local police, is what happened after prosecutors repeatedly told the judge that Davis was violating the terms of his bond, including allegedly taking part in a drive-by shooting.

-----





So, by the time Davis appeared before the judge in late May, he’d already had five alleged bond violations and two arrests for separate incidents, including the drive-by shooting.





The judge could have ordered Davis’ bond revoked and remanded him into custody until his trial, but instead Hathaway took a much different approach: continuing his bond but ordering the removal of the GPS monitoring device that had alerted authorities to his alleged lawbreaking.

----

As you might have guessed, that didn’t stop Davis’ alleged criminal activity. About a month later police, who were now paying attention to Davis’ social media feeds, watched on Instagram as Davis held a gun and allegedly threatened violence against other individuals.

http://[URL='https://bearingarms.co...e-study-in-not-enforcing-existing-laws-n60124

[/URL]



The two illegal alien mass public shooters given 15,000 dollars bond...



Brietbart....



On Wednesday, as Breitbart News reported, the Richmond Police Department announced the arrests of Guatemalan nationals 52-year-old illegal alien Julio Alvardo Dubon and 38-year-old illegal alien Rolman Balacarcel Ac for allegedly plotting a mass shooting at the city’s July 4th celebration.

---

The American citizen who thwarted the mass shooting plot called police after he heard a man discussing a plan to “shoot up” Richmond’s annual Fourth of July celebration.



That is when police raided Dubon’s residence to find two rifles, a handgun, and 223 rounds of ammunition. Dubon was subsequently charged with being in possession of a firearm as an alien to the U.S.

---

Dubon has been booked into the Richmond City Jail on a $15,000 bail. Though police said Ac was also booked, his records do not appear in the city jail’s records.



Illegal Aliens Plotted July 4th Mass Shooting, Thwarted by 'Hero Citizen'



4th of July Shootout Averted

See...it isn't that America has guns that is the difference.......if the Japanese had guns, they wouldn't use them to commit crimes....the culture doesn't allow it....while the democrat party here in the U.S. guarantees that violent gun offenders go free to keep shooting at people....

That is the difference....a difference that you guys don't want to acknowledge..........you just hate guns....

Brietbart?

Did he also mentioned the size of our prison compared population to other countries?

 

[2aguy]

Brietbart?

Did he also mentioned the size of our prison compared population to other countries?

What does that matter? Our culture is different......the democrat party has destroyed black families, as intended, using the Great Society to take fathers out of homes......creating fatherless boys and girls who now drive our crime rates in democrat party controlled cities....Japan has a conformist culture...you were shown the power that the police and prosecutors have in Japan.....

Leftists like you would be screeching like scalded cats if our police could do what Japanese police and prosecutors do to suspects.......a conformist society with a police state is how they keep their people in line......long prison sentences in terrible prisons.......

That is what you guys are promoting and you don't even understand it...

 

[Faun]

Right. Exactly like that.

The only difference is that gun rights are enumerated.

So we all agree that there should be no federal authority over guns or abortions, right?

So is the right to the right to life and liberty.

 

[Faun]

We don't tell them what they can do with their bodies...we just don't want them murdering their babies because some left wing guy doesn't want to support the child...

It's not your call to make. It's theirs. Telling them they can't get an abortion IS telling them what to do with their bodies. Your denial only exposes your dementia.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So is the right to the right to life and liberty.

Yes.

Now tell me how that relates to my right to own firearms?

 

[Captain Caveman]

That is a lie...

Nope.....never said that....I correctly state that criminal on criminal violence is our main gun murder number, while mass public shootings is tiny in number and deaths......and that mixing the two together is a lie that anti-gun fanatics use to make it look like mass public shootings happen far more than they do.....

The number of actual mass public shootings in the U.S. in 2021 was 6....total killed 43. The anti-gun fanatics claim it is hundreds of mass public shootings......the shootings they claim are criminals shooting at other criminals....and not actual mass public shootings...

Two very different acts....two very different solutions....but....with only 6 mass public shootings in 2021, and only 2 in 2022, it is hard to use numbers that low to stampede Americans into giving up their Rights....so they mix gangs shooting at each other with mass public shootings...to lie to uninformed people...

I also state that you can't count suicides in the gun murder rate, which anti-gun fanatics do all the time..

YOu guys, when I point out the fact that your criminals get guns easily...and that illegal guns are flooding Britain, as the police have stated to the press....don't count because their victims are criminals. That is what you do...

What's Japan's gun incident and mass shooting stats?

It's a simple enough question that the gun nuts have been asked, yet they fail the basic of tasks in supplying the data.

 

[surada]

What does that matter? Our culture is different......the democrat party has destroyed black families, as intended, using the Great Society to take fathers out of homes......creating fatherless boys and girls who now drive our crime rates in democrat party controlled cities....Japan has a conformist culture...you were shown the power that the police and prosecutors have in Japan.....

Leftists like you would be screeching like scalded cats if our police could do what Japanese police and prosecutors do to suspects.......a conformist society with a police state is how they keep their people in line......long prison sentences in terrible prisons.......

That is what you guys are promoting and you don't even understand it...

You sound like a 21 year old.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Right. Exactly like that.

The only difference is that gun rights are enumerated.

So we all agree that there should be no federal authority over guns or abortions, right?

And that's the only thing you can fall back on. You can't use statistics, you can't defence fallacies, you can't compare to other countries etc.. etc.., you can only fall back on, "We have the 2nd Amendment".

It's only the 2nd Amendment stopping proper gun regulations and laws to reduce gun incidents because the WHOLE planet knows how ridiculous the 2nd is, allowing any Tom Dick and Harry to wander about in public with loaded guns, and to leave them lying around the home for siblings to blast one another away.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

And that's the only thing you can fall back on. You can't use statistics, you can't defence fallacies, you can't compare to other countries etc.. etc.., you can only fall back on, "We have the 2nd Amendment".

That is all I need. If the gun-grabbing left don't like it, they can amend the constitution. They won't, because there is NO SUPPORT for such an amendment. I wonder why?

It's only the 2nd Amendment stopping proper gun regulations and laws to reduce gun incidents because the WHOLE planet knows how ridiculous the 2nd is, allowing any Tom Dick and Harry to wander about in public with loaded guns, and to leave them lying around the home for siblings to blast one another away.

It sounds like you want a constitutional amendment (which is none of your limey business, but whatever).

The gun grabbers can amend the constitution or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

And that's the only thing you can fall back on. You can't use statistics, you can't defence fallacies, you can't compare to other countries etc.. etc.., you can only fall back on, "We have the 2nd Amendment".

It's only the 2nd Amendment stopping proper gun regulations and laws to reduce gun incidents because the WHOLE planet knows how ridiculous the 2nd is, allowing any Tom Dick and Harry to wander about in public with loaded guns, and to leave them lying around the home for siblings to blast one another away.

And, by the way....YOU ASSHOLES are the very reason we have a 2nd Amendment.

Congratulations, dumb fucks.

 

[Faun]

Yes.

Now tell me how that relates to my right to own firearms?

You have that right as well.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You have that right as well.

And?

 

[Captain Caveman]

That is all I need. If the gun-grabbing left don't like it, they can amend the constitution. They won't, because there is NO SUPPORT for such an amendment. I wonder why?

It sounds like you want a constitutional amendment (which is none of your limey business, but whatever).

The gun grabbers can amend the constitution or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

The Left don't want to grab guns, just like in the UK, they want a safe gun culture. They want people to enjoy guns, but, those who are deemed suitable/responsible etc.. with suitable/responsible types of firearm. And to use them them in specific places, and not on the streets. This has been said a million times, yet you still haven't grasped it.

As for the 2nd, one day it will get amended.

 

[HenryBHough]

Illegal handguns cause such incidents. How stupid are you?

Ah, so because existing gun laws don't work we need more of the same so they won't work either.
But the mere creation of them sends tingles down your leg.
Got it!

 

[Captain Caveman]

And, by the way....YOU ASSHOLES are the very reason we have a 2nd Amendment.

Congratulations, dumb fucks.

The Bill of Rights contained Right to Bear Arms. That was scrapped a hundred years ago in the UK. America's will be scrapped too over the coming decades.

 

[2aguy]

And that's the only thing you can fall back on. You can't use statistics, you can't defence fallacies, you can't compare to other countries etc.. etc.., you can only fall back on, "We have the 2nd Amendment".

It's only the 2nd Amendment stopping proper gun regulations and laws to reduce gun incidents because the WHOLE planet knows how ridiculous the 2nd is, allowing any Tom Dick and Harry to wander about in public with loaded guns, and to leave them lying around the home for siblings to blast one another away.

We use statistics, truth, facts and reality...you simply ignore those things when you argue......Europeans murder 15 million innocent men, women and children in a 6 year period....you just fly right by that......for you, it can't happen again....even though it did happen the first time...in the modern period.......but giving up guns....that makes sense to you in the face of that nightmare.......

And it is still on going...in China, they are committing genocide against their own people....they have slavery.....and yet gun ownership is silly....

Right?

 

[2aguy]

The Left don't want to grab guns, just like in the UK, they want a safe gun culture. They want people to enjoy guns, but, those who are deemed suitable/responsible etc.. with suitable/responsible types of firearm. And to use them them in specific places, and not on the streets. This has been said a million times, yet you still haven't grasped it.

As for the 2nd, one day it will get amended.

Yeah...answer this....

A woman wants a gun to keep from being raped, robbed, or murdered in her home or out in public.......the British police will not give her a permit because that isn't a good reason......

A member of the House of Lords wants to go bird hunting with his rich buddies on one of his many private estates.......the British police give him a gun, because hunting birds is a good reason to own a gun...

This, to you, makes sense.........

This is why we don't trust loons like you....