But....Japan has gun control? So how was the Prime Minister shot? Breaking news.....

[Captain Caveman]

And yet when they do have guns, guns are the most effective tool to stop rape.......and, dipshit.....women are one of the biggest growth areas for concealed carry....you dumb ass....they are learning...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

Yes, once in a blue moon a gun stops an incident. It has the same odds of a gun incident in Japan.

 

[Smokin' OP]

However, most recent studies with improved methodology?

1997?
1999?
Second, raw data from the 1979-1985?
Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000)?
Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years?
1986?
1990?

 

[Smokin' OP]

No....you are the idiot with the stupid logic.....

Some people use guns illegally....ban guns....

THAT 30- year old lie?
NO ONE wants to ban guns.

Therefore, twit.....according to your logic, some people kill people in cars...ban cars.....

You are the one who doesn't understand logic.....you are an irrational dumb ass...

Sure...............
You stupid morons think we want to ban guns.
WE own gun too, except our aim is better.
WE don't need 60 rounds to wound a turtle.

 

[2aguy]

Nope, your post is riddled with fallacies. Straight away, when I was doing that thread on the self protection fallacy and replying to the usual numpties, a link/article pointed out that most US women don't carry a gun, they're not used against rape.

Rather than blurt out opinion, you need to back your claims with studies, we don't want to sound bite articles from Right Wing gun nut sites.

Centers for Disease control? Department of Justice...both under the clinton administration when they did their research, hoping to prove you right? And they failed...

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
https://papers.ssrn.c

 

[2aguy]

THAT 30- year old lie?
NO ONE wants to ban guns.


Sure...............
You stupid morons think we want to ban guns.
WE own gun too, except our aim is better.
WE don't need 60 rounds to wound a turtle.

Yeah...you do......you are the one lying...the leadership of the democrat party wants to ban guns.....and they ban them as soon as they can get the power to do it...one gun, one magazine at a time....

 

[2aguy]

THAT 30- year old lie?
NO ONE wants to ban guns.


Sure...............
You stupid morons think we want to ban guns.
WE own gun too, except our aim is better.
WE don't need 60 rounds to wound a turtle.

Yeah....we know you guys own guns...you just don't want people who oppose you to have guns....mass graves don't fill themselves, and it is a lot harder for your buddies to fill them if the victims are shooting back...

 

[2aguy]

Oh heavens, another clown. I'll shall ask the question again, but in a simple way, "Could you provide us a list of gun incidents in Japan."

I did....the Yakuza wars where they used automatic weapons and hand grenades....the Japanese stopped those gun crimes by locking up the criminals....

I posted all of that information........and yet you want to pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Yeah...you do......you are the one lying...the leadership of the democrat party wants to ban guns.....and they ban them as soon as they can get the power to do it...one gun, one magazine at a time....

Sure Q NUT.

WE are just taking order from the lizard people that live in the center of the earth.
JFK Jr. has ALL the details.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Yeah....we know you guys own guns...you just don't want people who oppose you to have guns....mass graves don't fill themselves, and it is a lot harder for your buddies to fill them if the victims are shooting back...

You're delusional.

 

[woodwork201]

but they don't commit murder at a particularly high rate because they can't get guns, that's kind of the point.

Americans have a culture where suicide is considered a sin, but we have a high suicide rate because guns are available.

We've been through this many times in many threads, answered by many people. People commit suicide with guns because it's actually more humane and it's just the tool of choice. That Japan has such a low murder rate - due to culture, not gun restrictions - and yet they're able to commit suicide at such a high rate shows that it is not guns.

London has very few guns yet has, in some recent years, exceeded NYC in murder rate proving that guns aren't required to have a high murder rate - thus proving that Japan's extremely low murder rate is about culture, and not about gun restrictions.

High suicide rate and low murder rate in Japan are about culture, not guns.

Too-high of a suicide rate and too-high of a murder rate in the US are about culture and not about guns.

You can't claim the arguments that disprove your lies are cultural and then use the stats that can be twisted to support your arguments as gun evidence. Japan has a far different culture than ours. Period.

 

[2aguy]

No, we just genocided the shit out of Native Americans in that time. But they don't count because they weren't white people.

No, we didn't....and before the Europeans arrived they were murdering each other all on their own....

 

[woodwork201]

That is fantastic, so much so, bloody fantastic.

Ok, back to the thread of all the horrendous gun shootings in Japan. Any chance you could supply a list of the Japanese gun incidents, or are you just gonna continue with a pile of shite irrelevant to the topic?

If anyone wants to discuss suicides, set a thread up. Anyone want to discuss violence in cities, set a thread up.

This thread is 2aguy's retarded thought that a gun incidents can not happen in Japan because of gun control, so this paves the way for the stupid gun beliefs in America.

You know that gun incidents did happen in Japan regardless of gun control. Murders happen in the UK regardless of gun control, and you're an idiot, regardless of gun control.

If I'm wrong about the murder rate in London, then prove it. Evidence that a high murder rate can exist where there's low gun ownership is very much on topic for this thread. That a high murder rate can exist where there's low gun ownership proves that Japan's low murder rate is cultural.

 

[woodwork201]

Yes, once in a blue moon a gun stops an incident. It has the same odds of a gun incident in Japan.

That's because too few women are carrying guns. Glad to see you acknowledge that.

 

[JoeB131]

Doesn't matter......they have extreme gun control, and higher suicide rates than we do...then you have to explain all the European countries with higher suicide rates than we do.....

Most of them don't.

but hey, let's ban guns and see if the suicide rate goes down. Wait, it didn't? Well, still not getting your guns back.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I did....the Yakuza wars where they used automatic weapons and hand grenades....the Japanese stopped those gun crimes by locking up the criminals....

I posted all of that information........and yet you want to pretend it doesn't exist.

No offence, but this is for the retards, so that's you included. Could you supply a list of gun incidents in Japan. When you supply this list, same with the list in America, UK etc.., it's a list of domestic incidents. So things like suicide by gun, accidents, assassinations, homicides, robberies, domestic abuse, gangs etc.. make up this list.

I know you're trying to include wars and genocides, because you know fine well what a fucking bellend this thread has made you look.

So try again.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You know that gun incidents did happen in Japan regardless of gun control. Murders happen in the UK regardless of gun control, and you're an idiot, regardless of gun control.

If I'm wrong about the murder rate in London, then prove it. Evidence that a high murder rate can exist where there's low gun ownership is very much on topic for this thread. That a high murder rate can exist where there's low gun ownership proves that Japan's low murder rate is cultural.

That's fantastic again. Could you please list the gun incidents in Japan please. Say over the last 10 to 15 years. Just total numbers will do.

 

[Captain Caveman]

That's because too few women are carrying guns. Glad to see you acknowledge that.

Glad to see you've never read my posts because I've said a billion times women don't carry guns when the Muppets claim they're needed for self defence against rape. I don't wish to offend you, but you're not very bright.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Soooo.....Japan has gun control....but the Prime Minister was shot..........how does that work?

Shinzo Abe, former prime minister of Japan, reportedly suffered a gunshot wound while giving a campaign speech in Nara in western Japan ahead of Sunday’s election for the parliament’s upper house.

HORROR: Japan's Former PM Shinzo Abe Assassinated

pjmedia.com

Anti-gun fanatics hardest hit by the news.....

Hey, douche canoe, last year there was like 1 firearm fatality in Japan. That's not a small population.

Also: the shooter of Abe used a "home made gun". If I was to believe folks like YOU if guns aren't available people will kill with steak knives and cars. Why did this guy make a GUN?? Is it because guns are special in some way?

 

[2aguy]

Hey, douche canoe, last year there was like 1 firearm fatality in Japan. That's not a small population.

Also: the shooter of Abe used a "home made gun". If I was to believe folks like YOU if guns aren't available people will kill with steak knives and cars. Why did this guy make a GUN?? Is it because guns are special in some way?

Moron....the Japanese actually lock up gun criminals for decades, they don't release them on no cash bail like the democrats do here....that is why their Yakuza stopped using guns.......

A 7 year gang war that started in 2005....where they used fully automatic weapons and grenades...

Maybe you can tell us....are fully automatic weapons and grenades legal, or illegal in Japan?

The Great Japanese Gang Wars

It was the second time that a “truce” was called in the gang war, which began in 2006, and police are skeptical this new one will hold.
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The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.

In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).
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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight

The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course. It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
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In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.

 

[2aguy]

That's fantastic again. Could you please list the gun incidents in Japan please. Say over the last 10 to 15 years. Just total numbers will do.

Say over the last 10 to 15 years.

Is 2012 within the last 10 to 15 years.......? Genius?


Sure.....

Maybe you can tell us........are fully automatic weapons and hand grenades legal or illegal in Japan?


The Great Japanese Gang Wars



The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.

In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).
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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight

The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course. It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
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In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.