ThunderKiss1965
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But there's no such thing as voter fraud in this country.They should. Trump and his Russian buddies fixed the election.
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But there's no such thing as voter fraud in this country.They should. Trump and his Russian buddies fixed the election.
i dont think i have ever tasted limburger,,,,but then again, all I have to do is go into an elevator with Al Sharton, and "Take a Whiff".for all we know, the clintons probably registered about 5000 units of limberger cheese.Why is it in the stages of grieve liberals can't seem to get to the acceptance stage?
But they can't claim fraud when according to them there is none in this country.It looks like going forward, whatever the presidential results are, the other side will claim fraud and demand a recount.
So here we go.
The campaign also said it would participate in recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan if they went forward.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign on Saturday said that it would participate in a recount initiated by Green Party nominee Jill Stein in Wisconsin and said it would take similar action if a recount was initiated in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
The campaign has taken a number of steps since election day to review election results and has not found “any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology,” Marc Elias, the campaign’s general counsel, wrote in a statement on Medium. The campaign had not planned to call for a recount, Elias wrote, but now that one is underway, it felt an obligation to participate. The extent of the campaign’s participation was not immediately clear.
“Now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides,” Elias wrote. “If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well.”
Stein filed for a recount in Wisconsin on Friday after quickly raising more than $5 million to challenge election results there and in Michigan and Pennsylvania ― all key states that Clinton lost in the presidential election. Stein’s call for a recount came after data scientists publicly raised questions about discrepancies in election results.
Elias wrote that the Clinton campaign had been consulting with a number of experts to understand irregularities in election result data and had attempted to “systematically catalogue and investigate every theory that has been presented to us within our ability to do so.” The campaign has also staffed post-election canvasses ― the processes by which election returns are officially certified, which includes double checking tallies from election night.
Hillary Clinton's Campaign Says It Will Participate In Wisconsin Recount | The Huffington Post
Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.While I'm worried about the state of our republic, this seems fitting considering the insanity of the campaign.So here we go.
The campaign also said it would participate in recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan if they went forward.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign on Saturday said that it would participate in a recount initiated by Green Party nominee Jill Stein in Wisconsin and said it would take similar action if a recount was initiated in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
The campaign has taken a number of steps since election day to review election results and has not found “any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology,” Marc Elias, the campaign’s general counsel, wrote in a statement on Medium. The campaign had not planned to call for a recount, Elias wrote, but now that one is underway, it felt an obligation to participate. The extent of the campaign’s participation was not immediately clear.
“Now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides,” Elias wrote. “If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well.”
Stein filed for a recount in Wisconsin on Friday after quickly raising more than $5 million to challenge election results there and in Michigan and Pennsylvania ― all key states that Clinton lost in the presidential election. Stein’s call for a recount came after data scientists publicly raised questions about discrepancies in election results.
Elias wrote that the Clinton campaign had been consulting with a number of experts to understand irregularities in election result data and had attempted to “systematically catalogue and investigate every theory that has been presented to us within our ability to do so.” The campaign has also staffed post-election canvasses ― the processes by which election returns are officially certified, which includes double checking tallies from election night.
Hillary Clinton's Campaign Says It Will Participate In Wisconsin Recount | The Huffington Post
This just keeps getting nastier.
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That doesn't make sense. Why prolong the agony? Your lady lost it is time to give it up. Money spent on a recount would be better served helping an inner city kid instead of being pissed away to lawyers. But that is the kind of behavior that lost the election for Hillary and a whole lot of democrats with her.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
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I can't believe Hillary invented the birther topic either.....What goes around comes around. A faction of Republicans used the Birther topic to portray Obama as an illegitimate President. The allegation became an important factor in President-elect Trump's entering into Presidential politics. It continues to come up as a controversial topic to this very day and will probably go on well after President Obama leaves office.
The popular vote topic, recount, and post-election controversies are about putting the question of Trump's legitimacy in question. Just as the birther movement stood little chance of changing the outcome of the Obama elections, the alleged rigged voting, voter suppression, and low Trump popular vote topics stand little chance of changing the Trump election. What they may do is give support towards anti-voter-suppression efforts that seem to be growing from election to election. They will also be key factors in denying Trump the ability to claim the election gave him or Republicans a mandate for any of his or their specific policy agendas.
Even if you choose to believe that spin, it becomes irrelevant once others latch on to it and promote it. Not the story itself, but the continued use of the story. So what if some members of the Clinton staff used the story. That does not legitimize the efforts made years later to promote the story without some kind of real evidence of the truthfulness of the story. In fact, one might argue the first reporters of the story have the excuse that it was an early report and later reporters of the story had far more compelling evidence to the falsity of story when they renewed efforts of reporting it.I can't believe Hillary invented the birther topic either.....What goes around comes around. A faction of Republicans used the Birther topic to portray Obama as an illegitimate President. The allegation became an important factor in President-elect Trump's entering into Presidential politics. It continues to come up as a controversial topic to this very day and will probably go on well after President Obama leaves office.
The popular vote topic, recount, and post-election controversies are about putting the question of Trump's legitimacy in question. Just as the birther movement stood little chance of changing the outcome of the Obama elections, the alleged rigged voting, voter suppression, and low Trump popular vote topics stand little chance of changing the Trump election. What they may do is give support towards anti-voter-suppression efforts that seem to be growing from election to election. They will also be key factors in denying Trump the ability to claim the election gave him or Republicans a mandate for any of his or their specific policy agendas.
that isn't what the recount is aboutWhile I'm worried about the state of our republic, this seems fitting considering the insanity of the campaign.So here we go.
The campaign also said it would participate in recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan if they went forward.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign on Saturday said that it would participate in a recount initiated by Green Party nominee Jill Stein in Wisconsin and said it would take similar action if a recount was initiated in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
The campaign has taken a number of steps since election day to review election results and has not found “any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology,” Marc Elias, the campaign’s general counsel, wrote in a statement on Medium. The campaign had not planned to call for a recount, Elias wrote, but now that one is underway, it felt an obligation to participate. The extent of the campaign’s participation was not immediately clear.
“Now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides,” Elias wrote. “If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well.”
Stein filed for a recount in Wisconsin on Friday after quickly raising more than $5 million to challenge election results there and in Michigan and Pennsylvania ― all key states that Clinton lost in the presidential election. Stein’s call for a recount came after data scientists publicly raised questions about discrepancies in election results.
Elias wrote that the Clinton campaign had been consulting with a number of experts to understand irregularities in election result data and had attempted to “systematically catalogue and investigate every theory that has been presented to us within our ability to do so.” The campaign has also staffed post-election canvasses ― the processes by which election returns are officially certified, which includes double checking tallies from election night.
Hillary Clinton's Campaign Says It Will Participate In Wisconsin Recount | The Huffington Post
This just keeps getting nastier.
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What happens if Trump is still found to be the winner, will the left be satisfied and quit their protesting and whining?
Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.While I'm worried about the state of our republic, this seems fitting considering the insanity of the campaign.So here we go.
The campaign also said it would participate in recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan if they went forward.
Hillary Clinton's Campaign Says It Will Participate In Wisconsin Recount | The Huffington Post
This just keeps getting nastier.
.
That doesn't make sense. Why prolong the agony? Your lady lost it is time to give it up. Money spent on a recount would be better served helping an inner city kid instead of being pissed away to lawyers. But that is the kind of behavior that lost the election for Hillary and a whole lot of democrats with her.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
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That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
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It came out during the democrat primary so yeah, it is easy to believe her staff started the rumor, it is what they do.I can't believe Hillary invented the birther topic either.....What goes around comes around. A faction of Republicans used the Birther topic to portray Obama as an illegitimate President. The allegation became an important factor in President-elect Trump's entering into Presidential politics. It continues to come up as a controversial topic to this very day and will probably go on well after President Obama leaves office.
The popular vote topic, recount, and post-election controversies are about putting the question of Trump's legitimacy in question. Just as the birther movement stood little chance of changing the outcome of the Obama elections, the alleged rigged voting, voter suppression, and low Trump popular vote topics stand little chance of changing the Trump election. What they may do is give support towards anti-voter-suppression efforts that seem to be growing from election to election. They will also be key factors in denying Trump the ability to claim the election gave him or Republicans a mandate for any of his or their specific policy agendas.
The Green Party is being reported as having collected seven million dollars in contributions to conduct the vote challenges. Those donations will probably keep campaign workers paychecks coming in till after the holidays.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.While I'm worried about the state of our republic, this seems fitting considering the insanity of the campaign.
This just keeps getting nastier.
.
That doesn't make sense. Why prolong the agony? Your lady lost it is time to give it up. Money spent on a recount would be better served helping an inner city kid instead of being pissed away to lawyers. But that is the kind of behavior that lost the election for Hillary and a whole lot of democrats with her.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
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That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
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Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
i thought the results of the recount had to be done before the electoral college votes for our president on December 19th?The Green Party is being reported as having collected seven million dollars in contributions to conduct the vote challenges. Those donations will probably keep campaign workers paychecks coming in till after the holidays.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.That doesn't make sense. Why prolong the agony? Your lady lost it is time to give it up. Money spent on a recount would be better served helping an inner city kid instead of being pissed away to lawyers. But that is the kind of behavior that lost the election for Hillary and a whole lot of democrats with her.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
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That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
Well, there's a huge national outrage over the election, so the impetus from this could have come from anywhere. That doesn't mean it's justified.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.While I'm worried about the state of our republic, this seems fitting considering the insanity of the campaign.
This just keeps getting nastier.
.
That doesn't make sense. Why prolong the agony? Your lady lost it is time to give it up. Money spent on a recount would be better served helping an inner city kid instead of being pissed away to lawyers. But that is the kind of behavior that lost the election for Hillary and a whole lot of democrats with her.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
.
That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
HUGE? How many out of millions are acting like idiots? I will bet a majority of those who are, are paid.Well, there's a huge national outrage over the election, so the impetus from this could have come from anywhere. That doesn't mean it's justified.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.That doesn't make sense. Why prolong the agony? Your lady lost it is time to give it up. Money spent on a recount would be better served helping an inner city kid instead of being pissed away to lawyers. But that is the kind of behavior that lost the election for Hillary and a whole lot of democrats with her.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
.
That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
And yeah, she has at least given tacit approval. Why not, she has nothing to lose, no doubt she can't have much shame left.
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There's a difference between being outraged and acting like idiots.HUGE? How many out of millions are acting like idiots? I will bet a majority of those who are, are paid.Well, there's a huge national outrage over the election, so the impetus from this could have come from anywhere. That doesn't mean it's justified.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
.
That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
And yeah, she has at least given tacit approval. Why not, she has nothing to lose, no doubt she can't have much shame left.
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i thought the results of the recount had to be done before the electoral college votes for our president on December 19th?The Green Party is being reported as having collected seven million dollars in contributions to conduct the vote challenges. Those donations will probably keep campaign workers paychecks coming in till after the holidays.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
.
That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
Dirty little secret that isn't a real secret. The counts must be done and certified to count. If they aren't, they don't count. So, if any one of the states that are supposed to go to Trump don't finish and certify the count, Trump does not get those votes.i thought the results of the recount had to be done before the electoral college votes for our president on December 19th?The Green Party is being reported as having collected seven million dollars in contributions to conduct the vote challenges. Those donations will probably keep campaign workers paychecks coming in till after the holidays.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.I'm not saying I want it to happen. I'm concerned about the stability of our political system, frankly, and I've come to terms with the thought of Trump.
I'm just saying that, given what we've just seen, it's not exactly shocking if it happens.
.
That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
Yeah, there is support, millions of support from Soros.There's a difference between being outraged and acting like idiots.HUGE? How many out of millions are acting like idiots? I will bet a majority of those who are, are paid.Well, there's a huge national outrage over the election, so the impetus from this could have come from anywhere. That doesn't mean it's justified.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.What do you think anyone has "seen" to cause them to recount? I think in Mi it cost 1 million to do a recount. PA is 500000. Why would anyone do that just to spite Trump? It makes no sense. If they are going to piss away money they should just donate to the CGI, who can use the money now that foreign countries are backing out or cutting donations.
That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
And yeah, she has at least given tacit approval. Why not, she has nothing to lose, no doubt she can't have much shame left.
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The bottom line is that there's a lot of support for this (whether it means acting like an idiot or not), so none of this can be a surprise.
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And many of the people who voted for her, which, as it turns out, is a larger number than voted for Trump.Yeah, there is support, millions of support from Soros.There's a difference between being outraged and acting like idiots.HUGE? How many out of millions are acting like idiots? I will bet a majority of those who are, are paid.Well, there's a huge national outrage over the election, so the impetus from this could have come from anywhere. That doesn't mean it's justified.Yeah, I don't know. It may be that they found something, or they may just be crazed and seeing things that aren't there.
That's the problem with ideologues - their perceptions are distorted, so there's no way of knowing if what they're saying OR seeing is real.
.
Oh they know there was fraud alright. But their public statements are that they have no evidence of fraud. I just don't believe that Stein has a dog in this race so it is either she is doing Hillary's bidding or she just wants to under mind Trump. I don't think it is being done without the blessing of Hillary.
And yeah, she has at least given tacit approval. Why not, she has nothing to lose, no doubt she can't have much shame left.
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The bottom line is that there's a lot of support for this (whether it means acting like an idiot or not), so none of this can be a surprise.
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