Big Goverment in Arizona by GOPer Brewer

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    Arizona Proposes Medicaid Fat Fee

    Arizona's governor on Thursday proposed levying a $50 fee on some enrollees in the state's cash-starved Medicaid program, including obese people who don't follow a doctor-supervised slimming regimen and smokers.

    The plan, if approved by the Republican-dominated legislature, would mark the first time the state-federal health-care program for the poor has charged people for engaging in behavior deemed unhealthy

    Arizona Proposes Medicare Fat Fee - WSJ.com

    So here we Brewer telling people that have to be thinner and they must not eat in a unhealthy manner or smoke, it's going to cost them! She actually wrote wrote legislation controlling people's lives.

    I expect all the anti-Big Government types and Michelle Obama haters to chime in on these facts. Brewer is making a law about obesity and the far right slammed Michelle Obama hard for her simple comments about child obesity.
     
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    Governors and state legislatures are mandated by the feds to fund Medicare/Medicaid.

    But why let little details like that get in the way?
     
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    We're talking about ADULTS here, kiwi. People who have the ability to make decisions for themselves. If they've got enough cash lying around without anything to spend it on that they can afford fast food and/or cigarettes, they can afford to chip in a little bit for their own Medicaid. I do hope that fat smokers get charged double.

    If you don't like it, why not propose getting rid of the illegal and unconstitutional Medicaid program all together?
     
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    It's either that or take out certain provisions.
    One way or another the budget has to be balanced.
    And believe it or not same thing is going to happen with new Fed Health Care Plan, only under the Fed's they can ban foods that they think is unhealthy in Grocery stores, restaurants, fast food places and schools.
     
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    State governments don't fund Medicare. And they're certainly not required to have a Medicaid program.
     
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    Nobody thinks small government is a GOP principle anymore, right?
     
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    Nope....nanny state is ok, if it is THEIR nanny state.
     
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    Oh, so this "cost sharing" thingy is just a figment of my imagination?
     
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    Oh yes they do;
    Who pays for Medicaid?

    States and the federal government share in the cost of Medicaid. The federal share of a state’s Medicaid expenditures is determined by a formula—called the Federal Medical Assistance Percentages (FMAP)—that is outlined in federal statute and that allocates funds to pay a share of the cost of services delivered through the program. States with per capita incomes below the national average receive higher matching percentages, and those with per capita incomes above the national average receive lower matching percentages. Every state receives at least a 50 percent match. Some services, such as family planning, are reimbursed at a higher federal match rate. Federal matching rates for each state are updated annually, published in the Federal Register, and posted at http://aspe.os.dhhs.gov/health/fmap.htm. Most administrative expenditures are matched by the federal government at 50 percent. Certain administrative costs, however—such as those related to Medicaid management information systems (MMIS)—receive a higher federal matching rate.

    States are not required to participate in Medicaid, although a large financial incentive exists to do so. If a state chooses to participate, Medicaid is an entitlement to the state as well as to individuals as long as covered services are provided to eligible people in accordance with federal statute and an approved state plan or waiver. In other words, the federal government will pay its share of the Medicaid costs as long as individuals covered, services provided, providers reimbursed, and rates paid are consistent with the state’s Medicaid state plan or waivers approved by the federal government.
     
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    That depends....

    If I have a book of rules that has 10,000 entries, and I add 15 more, but remove 300 have I increased or decrease the size of the book? Have I made life more or less restrictive?

    I think that most of us on the Conservative end of the spectrum will tell you that YES we are interested in restricting a lot of things in American society and culture. We're for instituting and rigidly enforcing a certain code of morals and values on those who choose to live outside of what we consider to be an acceptable society. Now, inside of those boundaries, you're pretty much free to do whatever you want.

    Look at it this way.... The Conservative outlook is a narrow path through life. Step off it and you fall into a great chasm of doom. However, while you're on it you can walk, crawl, run, skip, hop, jump, ride a horse or a bike, drive a car, etc... You just have to do it ON THAT PATH.
     

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