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Yet here you are, opining away on a topic you don't care about. Thus, your opinion is ignored.I don't know who out there is supporting this anonymous "blob" you speak of, but I guess they're happy doing it. In the real world, you could have asked me at any point about my stance on allowing boys to dominate girls' sports and I would have been glad to expound on it. Instead, you insist on the group think that is so prevalent among the usual suspects. Why is that?Obviously you have no daughters.The tragedy!We are still in the early phases of allowing boys that pretend to be girls to compete with biological girls. Seeing the results after only a few years strongly indicates that within a short period of time all the female athletic records will be held by males pretending to be female.Just out of curiosity...
Are there any statistics on how often this happens?
Please none of the "Once is too often" responses.
Actual stats on how often, in the US, this has taken place?
Thats true.
What is also true is that 2 months ago, getting a blob supporter to talk about women's sports would be like getting a blob supporter to admit that climate change is real. It wasn't going to happen.
Now, all of the sudden, it's the most important topic...EVER!
You guys are just eating the slop put down in front of you and regurgitating it.
LOL.
I choose to stick to more important topics such as crunch vs smooth peanut butter, mayo or mustard in the potato salad and if the fridge light stays on when you close the door.
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Strange how YOU never brought up the topic that means so much to you--why you have never started a thread on it. You've been here for 8 years or so. No threads about it. Why is that?
The "outrage" is what I'm commenting on. We have like 4 threads on the topic. Your "outrage" was never there until you were told to be outraged by it.Yet here you are, opining away on a topic you don't care about. Thus, your opinion is ignored.I don't know who out there is supporting this anonymous "blob" you speak of, but I guess they're happy doing it. In the real world, you could have asked me at any point about my stance on allowing boys to dominate girls' sports and I would have been glad to expound on it. Instead, you insist on the group think that is so prevalent among the usual suspects. Why is that?Obviously you have no daughters.The tragedy!We are still in the early phases of allowing boys that pretend to be girls to compete with biological girls. Seeing the results after only a few years strongly indicates that within a short period of time all the female athletic records will be held by males pretending to be female.Just out of curiosity...
Are there any statistics on how often this happens?
Please none of the "Once is too often" responses.
Actual stats on how often, in the US, this has taken place?
Thats true.
What is also true is that 2 months ago, getting a blob supporter to talk about women's sports would be like getting a blob supporter to admit that climate change is real. It wasn't going to happen.
Now, all of the sudden, it's the most important topic...EVER!
You guys are just eating the slop put down in front of you and regurgitating it.
LOL.
I choose to stick to more important topics such as crunch vs smooth peanut butter, mayo or mustard in the potato salad and if the fridge light stays on when you close the door.
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Strange how YOU never brought up the topic that means so much to you--why you have never started a thread on it. You've been here for 8 years or so. No threads about it. Why is that?
You will notice that I do not generally start threads. On the other hand, I comment on many and have expressed my views on this subject before. IOW, you have nothing to complain about. Now that we have eliminated your attempt at diversion and exposed your feeble attempt to pretend you don't care about the topic, you didn't bother to address your little problem with group think. Telling.
Yet here you are, opining away on a topic you don't care about. Thus, your opinion is ignored.I don't know who out there is supporting this anonymous "blob" you speak of, but I guess they're happy doing it. In the real world, you could have asked me at any point about my stance on allowing boys to dominate girls' sports and I would have been glad to expound on it. Instead, you insist on the group think that is so prevalent among the usual suspects. Why is that?Obviously you have no daughters.The tragedy!We are still in the early phases of allowing boys that pretend to be girls to compete with biological girls. Seeing the results after only a few years strongly indicates that within a short period of time all the female athletic records will be held by males pretending to be female.Just out of curiosity...
Are there any statistics on how often this happens?
Please none of the "Once is too often" responses.
Actual stats on how often, in the US, this has taken place?
Thats true.
What is also true is that 2 months ago, getting a blob supporter to talk about women's sports would be like getting a blob supporter to admit that climate change is real. It wasn't going to happen.
Now, all of the sudden, it's the most important topic...EVER!
You guys are just eating the slop put down in front of you and regurgitating it.
LOL.
I choose to stick to more important topics such as crunch vs smooth peanut butter, mayo or mustard in the potato salad and if the fridge light stays on when you close the door.
\
Strange how YOU never brought up the topic that means so much to you--why you have never started a thread on it. You've been here for 8 years or so. No threads about it. Why is that?
You will notice that I do not generally start threads. On the other hand, I comment on many and have expressed my views on this subject before. IOW, you have nothing to complain about. Now that we have eliminated your attempt at diversion and exposed your feeble attempt to pretend you don't care about the topic, you didn't bother to address your little problem with group think. Telling.
I didn't make any.Do you lie to yourself as much as you do to the rest of us?yeah, okay. Thanks for the chuckle.That's not true.Obviously you have no daughters.The tragedy!We are still in the early phases of allowing boys that pretend to be girls to compete with biological girls. Seeing the results after only a few years strongly indicates that within a short period of time all the female athletic records will be held by males pretending to be female.Just out of curiosity...
Are there any statistics on how often this happens?
Please none of the "Once is too often" responses.
Actual stats on how often, in the US, this has taken place?
Thats true.
What is also true is that 2 months ago, getting a blob supporter to talk about women's sports would be like getting a blob supporter to admit that climate change is real. It wasn't going to happen.
Now, all of the sudden, it's the most important topic...EVER!
You guys are just eating the slop put down in front of you and regurgitating it.
All of us that have female offspring have been concerned about it for a few years now.
You just never cared to ask us about our concerns because at best you don't care about us, and at the extreme end, your side wants us all dead and plowed under, and our children indoctrinated and enslaved, so you can pimp them out to your friends.
Show us the threads you've made on this topic that has "concerned" you for years now, Rambo?
Nobody knows more about mental illness than a sufferer like yourself.1. Her. Why do intentionally mislabel them? She is a girl and is competing as a girl...and is beaten by girls.Because they are girls. They would get bullied to no end if they had to play on a boys team.Why does it matter if they participate in boys or girls? It's sports either way. Much of the benefits are from FAIR sports. That's why there are so many rules.No, support from community and family keeps them from self mutilation and suicide. Sports are often important in a community.And at what age? And ruining girls sports is the only thing keeping them from cutting the penis off?These kids DO know. It’s not a game or a phase they grow out of. It’s OK. Some people (mostly Republicans) can’t or will not try to understand it unless it touches them personally.Children don’t know much of anything. I know younger kids that want to grow up to be dinosaurs. It seems like a decision that is not for children. I mean kids aren’t treated the same as adults for crimes. I’m pretty sure that is justified as kids make a lot of mistakes.The difference is that these children know they were born as the wrong gender.And what’s different? Lots of kids deal with things that they can not do. Cutting a pen is off doesn’t make a boy a girl. Seems they aren’t getting the correct treatment if they would do that.Hopefully you will never have to find out it’s not the same. Kids try and cut their own penises off.They should be able to. Lots of kids in wheelchairs want to walk, but they can still be happy.They can’t love who they are until they can become their true selves.It’s probably not a choice children should be making. How about they love who they are?There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?
On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.
I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.
But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.
This is how the rightwing really feels:
From 2010:
...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?
They still don't care about girls or women's sports.
For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,
I care about fairness.
No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.
Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.
YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.
Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.
Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.
Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.
Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.
Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.
Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.
That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".
You find suicide funny?
Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.
Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health
Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com
ResultsAmong trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.ConclusionsLarge effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.
First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.
Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people
The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.www.nbcnews.com
Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project
LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.www.thetrevorproject.org
Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.
It really does often come down to a parent having to decide whether they want a live daughter or a dead son (or vice versa).
Cutting their penises off is what kids do when not supported in their desire to transition.
The problem is parents don’t get their children treatment. They tell him to “knock it off” and just “be a boy” or “be a girl”. Oh, and the treatment that will be recommended by actual medical professionals will not be one that you agree with I’m sure...
I don’t see how playing girls sports is going to be the thing to save anyone.
Christian, Conservative And Parenting A Transgender Child In Texas
Kimberly Shappley has had to unlearn everything she was taught to believe.www.huffpost.com
Yes or no, there are benefits to children participating in sports.
You think she should be changing in the men's locker room?
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What about this guy? He should wrestle with girls and use the girls locker room?
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1. If his mental issues is that he has to dress like and make himself look like a girl, then maybe part of the cost is no sports for him.
2. A girl that takes so many male hormones that she looks like that, should not be allowed to compete in girls sports. It would not be fair to the girls. If her mental issues are such that she needs to do that, then maybe part of the cost is no sports for her.
2. HE wanted to wrestle on the boys team but stupid laws passed by transphobic assholes made that impossible.
1. Just keeping it real. I'm sympathetic to his mental issues, but, that does not mean I have to play along.
2. But, she is not a boy. Too jacked up to play with the girls and still not a boy. So, no sports for her. That is fair.
Is this really that big a deal?
If it is a big enough deal to the men playing at being women to demand and force through all of these societal changes to accommodate their desires, then it's exactly that big a deal to the women being marginalized by it.
So do you want to try to belittle and dismiss the issue again, knowing that in doing so, you're belittling and dismissing the concerns of the "transgenders" you so desperately want to affirm?
Equating the advantages of a summer sports camp with BEING A MAN PLAYING AGAINST women, is insane.
The poster you replied to is, in fact, nuts.
I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
Be nice.You're dumb as a box of shit.
Because they're a tiny little minority, maybe?I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
So why haven't they? Trans women have been able to play professional women's tennis since the 70s. (RICHARDS v. US TENNIS ASS | 93 Misc.2d 713 (1977) | sc2d7131654 | Leagle.com)
Why aren't trans women dominating the sport?
Do you know how you can tell when Candycorn is lying? Her lips are moving.Do you lie to yourself as much as you do to the rest of us?yeah, okay. Thanks for the chuckle.That's not true.Obviously you have no daughters.The tragedy!We are still in the early phases of allowing boys that pretend to be girls to compete with biological girls. Seeing the results after only a few years strongly indicates that within a short period of time all the female athletic records will be held by males pretending to be female.Just out of curiosity...
Are there any statistics on how often this happens?
Please none of the "Once is too often" responses.
Actual stats on how often, in the US, this has taken place?
Thats true.
What is also true is that 2 months ago, getting a blob supporter to talk about women's sports would be like getting a blob supporter to admit that climate change is real. It wasn't going to happen.
Now, all of the sudden, it's the most important topic...EVER!
You guys are just eating the slop put down in front of you and regurgitating it.
All of us that have female offspring have been concerned about it for a few years now.
You just never cared to ask us about our concerns because at best you don't care about us, and at the extreme end, your side wants us all dead and plowed under, and our children indoctrinated and enslaved, so you can pimp them out to your friends.
Piss off.Be nice.You're dumb as a box of shit.
So why all the rending of garments over it?Because they're a tiny little minority, maybe?I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
So why haven't they? Trans women have been able to play professional women's tennis since the 70s. (RICHARDS v. US TENNIS ASS | 93 Misc.2d 713 (1977) | sc2d7131654 | Leagle.com)
Why aren't trans women dominating the sport?
And hardly any of them are even interested in the sport?
Maybe because when they do get involved, it fucks over the genetic females?So why all the rending of garments over it?Because they're a tiny little minority, maybe?I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
So why haven't they? Trans women have been able to play professional women's tennis since the 70s. (RICHARDS v. US TENNIS ASS | 93 Misc.2d 713 (1977) | sc2d7131654 | Leagle.com)
Why aren't trans women dominating the sport?
And hardly any of them are even interested in the sport?
The better question would be what sports do women play in mens leagues?
The last I saw was the kicker for some college team and she was abysmal.
I mean 35 yards on a kickoff !?...thats terrible and the other players deserve better.
My wife, my sister, and at least one of my cousins played baseball with the boys. My wife was-far and away-the best player on the team despite usually being the youngest. My sister was also a good player, though in her case, being the oldest in her age group probably helped.
Maybe because when they do get involved, it fucks over the genetic females?So why all the rending of garments over it?Because they're a tiny little minority, maybe?I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
So why haven't they? Trans women have been able to play professional women's tennis since the 70s. (RICHARDS v. US TENNIS ASS | 93 Misc.2d 713 (1977) | sc2d7131654 | Leagle.com)
Why aren't trans women dominating the sport?
And hardly any of them are even interested in the sport?
And we care about that.
Not in sports like freestyle wrestling, or MMA, they don't.Maybe because when they do get involved, it fucks over the genetic females?So why all the rending of garments over it?Because they're a tiny little minority, maybe?I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
So why haven't they? Trans women have been able to play professional women's tennis since the 70s. (RICHARDS v. US TENNIS ASS | 93 Misc.2d 713 (1977) | sc2d7131654 | Leagle.com)
Why aren't trans women dominating the sport?
And hardly any of them are even interested in the sport?
And we care about that.
Except it doesn't. Transgendered women compete against and lose against cisgendered women all the time. Sky isn't falling (16 states allow and have been allowing trans athletes to compete). Don't get out your piece of the sky umbrella...everything will be fine.
Having "women's" sports is now pointless---as males can pretty much destroy all female sportsters.Men do not belong in women's sports.
These Girls Are Hurt by Transgender Competition
townhall.com
Alanna Smith's dedication to her sport is profound. Just listening to the elite high school track star explain her training schedule is exhausting. Yet no matter how hard she trains, if she has to compete against biological males, she stands no chance of winning.
"There is simply a biological advantage that males have over females," explained the daughter of baseball Hall of Fame pitcher Lee Smith.
"Here is a perfect example," Smith told me. "I have a twin brother who is an athlete but does not run competitively for his sports. We raced against each other recently, and he beat me. Not because he trained harder, but because there are biological and physical advantages boys have over girls in some sports."
Smith, who set high school and county records as a short-distance track runner the moment she stepped on the field as a freshman at Danbury High School in Connecticut, says when she turns up to compete against male runners who identify and compete as females, she knows the cards are stacked against her.
And it has nothing to do with not being prepared.
"It is frustrating. I spend all of that time training to compete against other girls, and I find myself losing to biological males," she said.
Since 2017, two males who identify as female have taken 15 women's state championship titles in Connecticut. Smith's frustration led her last February to join with two other elite Connecticut runners, Selina Soule and Chelsea Mitchell, to file a federal discrimination complaint against Connecticut's policy allowing transgender competition against females. The girls explained that the suit alleges the policy unfairly marginalized them and violated Title IX, the federal law designed to ensure equal opportunities for females in education and school-based athletics.
On Inauguration Day, President Joe Biden issued an executive order saying a court case about transgender rights applies to Title IX, a federal education law that prevents discrimination based on sex. Elite female athletes such as Smith, Mitchell and Soule say Biden's pro-transgender order underscores their concerns.
Mitchell said she was ranked as the fastest girl in the 55-meter dash in Connecticut high school track in 2019. "Then I went to a high school competition, competing with two biological males who identify as girls," she said. "I really put my all into it, (but) I ultimately came in third, behind the both of them."
Soule said she missed an opportunity to qualify for the New England state championship in 2019 by one spot: "Both spots above me were taken by biological males."
Soule said that two distinct positions can be held about this that don't need to conflict with each other.
"This is not about not being supportive of the transgender community," she asserted. "Not at all. This is about fairness to girls and women. you can effectively hold both points of view."
All three athletes stressed that their objective is even-handedness in women's sports. "Title IX was created for a reason, and that was to give elite female athletes opportunities to be competitive and successful; the very objective was to have fairness in women's sports," said Soule.
Title IX was passed in 1972. In its first 10 years, the number of female athletes had blossomed to over 74,000. By 2020, that number had grown to over 220,000, according to data compiled by the NCAA.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki was one of those elite high school athletes in Connecticut in the mid-1990s who was able to shine because of Title IX as an accomplished swimmer for Greenwich High School, and she earned all-state honors in the backstroke. Psaki went on to swim for two years at William and Mary, an NCAA Division I school that currently gives out approximately 200 athletic scholarships a year, including women's swimming.
A 2020 study by the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health showed among female and male competitive swimmers, males were increasingly faster than females beginning at the age of 10 years and continuing until the age of 17. In other words, had Psaki -- who was also the captain of the high school swim team -- had to compete against male swimmers who identified as female, her results may have fallen, despite her devotion to competing in her sport.
When asked about Biden's executive order and what the White House message is to the girls being forced to compete in sports against biological males, in particular in high school sports that lead to scholarship opportunities, Psaki said: "The president's belief is that trans rights are human rights, and that's why he signed that executive order. In terms of the determinations by universities and colleges, I would certainly defer to them."
Not in sports like freestyle wrestling, or MMA, they don't.Maybe because when they do get involved, it fucks over the genetic females?So why all the rending of garments over it?Because they're a tiny little minority, maybe?I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
So why haven't they? Trans women have been able to play professional women's tennis since the 70s. (RICHARDS v. US TENNIS ASS | 93 Misc.2d 713 (1977) | sc2d7131654 | Leagle.com)
Why aren't trans women dominating the sport?
And hardly any of them are even interested in the sport?
And we care about that.
Except it doesn't. Transgendered women compete against and lose against cisgendered women all the time. Sky isn't falling (16 states allow and have been allowing trans athletes to compete). Don't get out your piece of the sky umbrella...everything will be fine.
You mean "female", don't you?Not in sports like freestyle wrestling, or MMA, they don't.Maybe because when they do get involved, it fucks over the genetic females?So why all the rending of garments over it?Because they're a tiny little minority, maybe?I can't wait to see trannys show up at the women's US Open and the French Open and the Australian Open tennis tournaments. I'm sure the audiences in the stands and the TV viewers are going to react with cheers! HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Same with women's soccer and basketball and hockey.
So why haven't they? Trans women have been able to play professional women's tennis since the 70s. (RICHARDS v. US TENNIS ASS | 93 Misc.2d 713 (1977) | sc2d7131654 | Leagle.com)
Why aren't trans women dominating the sport?
And hardly any of them are even interested in the sport?
And we care about that.
Except it doesn't. Transgendered women compete against and lose against cisgendered women all the time. Sky isn't falling (16 states allow and have been allowing trans athletes to compete). Don't get out your piece of the sky umbrella...everything will be fine.
Sure they do. Amanda Nunes is the current UFC champion. She is cisgendered.
