Zone1 Biden Administration Awards $7 Billion for 7 Hydrogen Hubs Across the U.S. : would certainly solve the refueling problem.

[peacefan]

One question at a time for peacefan:

How does it help for the the U.S. to reduce its use of fossil fuels, only to incentivize Russia and China to use more to take advantage of the vacuum?

we can start a PR campaign over it when we have adopted to renewables.
and that'll be more powerful than you might imagine.

 

[Seymour Flops]

we can start a PR campaign over it when we have adopted to renewables.
and that'll be more powerful than you might imagine.

"A PR Campaign" will be "powerful" enough to make China give up its enormous profits and the power such profits brings their leaders?

Sure, Jan . . .

 

[badbob85037]

every new branch of science turned to production technology has it's failures.
that doesn't mean you should give up on tech that according to science is needed to
save us from environmental catastrophe?

do you want to arrive in Heaven and tell st Peter at The Gates how you
"didn't know climate change could be so dangerous", when half the planet and possibly
you too starves to death?!



i do fully agree with this statement.
pharmacorps have simply turned their puberty-blocking bs pills into a 2nd round of revenue,
this time under the banner of freedom of choice.
what they flatout deny, is how they indoctrinate kids these days to think about gender and supposed
"care".
my generation, and all those before us, grew up just fine without artificial hormones, and genitals
forced on us through indoctrinations at schools and through the media.

There was a guy named Meyers who supposedly had a dune buggy that ran on hydrogen. Not hydrogen-gas mix but pure hydrogen. I have experimented with hydrogen cells and you can save gas but I could never make enough to switch to 100% hydrogen. Hydrogen has an octane rating over 200. It's only byproduct is water. If the oil company hadn't found a way to use the waste of making oil called gasoline who knows maybe we would be using hydrogen now. But just wait till we pump the last gallon out of the ground. Hydrogen the most plentiful gas in the universe.

Meyers was poisoned at a local restaurant a few years ago and died. His dune buggy vanished. He had a twin brother who has put what they left of his research on line somewhere. The oil companies offered him a bundle of cash which mabay he shouldn't of turned down looking back at it. There is suppose to be a South Korean farmer that has also used his car and farm equipment running on hydrogen. But this $7 billion is just kick back to the oil companies just like Bush's was, only Bush was more convincing and his reason flew like a ton of bricks.

 

[peacefan]

"A PR Campaign" will be "powerful" enough to make China give up its enormous profits and the power such profits brings their leaders?

Sure, Jan . . .

i agree this is not an obvious end-result. maybe not even a likely one.

but i'm still convinced a PR campaign can end up a double-edged sword as the global weather patterns worsen in relation to farming efforts.

 

[badbob85037]

Maybe the paywall is to fund the hydro plants.

I look for this to be an expensive boondoggle and dismal failure.

Anyone still remember Solyndra?

How quickly Americans forget or just show pure ignorance. Does anyone remember the billions Bush gave the oil companies to do the exact same thing? Joe must not unless he is a lying no good bitch.

 

[Seymour Flops]

How quickly Americans forget or just show pure ignorance. Does anyone remember the billions Bush gave the oil companies to do the exact same thing? Joe must not unless he is a lying no good bitch.

Refresh our memories with links.

 

[badbob85037]

we can start a PR campaign over it when we have adopted to renewables.
and that'll be more powerful than you might imagine.

I don't understand how will it solve our renewable energy problem where there are not any pure hydrogen fueled vehicles. Why pay for a fuel you can produce while you drive. Why is biden paying for tecknowledgy that doesn't exist and why is this a good thing?It sounds like another biden train wreck.

 

[peacefan]

I don't understand how will it solve our renewable energy problem where there are not any pure hydrogen fueled vehicles. Why pay for a fuel you can produce while you drive. Why is biden paying for tecknowledgy that doesn't exist and why is this a good thing?It sounds like another biden train wreck.

because hydrogen offers zero emissions from the vehicle, which is good for pedestrians and cyclists

 

[Markle]

Total waste of money. They are even less practical than all EV cars you plug in for hours.

A quick summary...

Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know​

They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.
BY JOHN VOELCKER PUBLISHED: SEP 26, 2022

"You may hear that hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. At the atomic level, that's true—but hydrogen is never found in its pure state. It's always combined with other elements. Its strong propensity to bind with anything in sight makes it a good energy carrier. Creating pure hydrogen for vehicles requires using a great deal of energy to "crack" a compound like natural gas (CH4) into pure H2, with CO2 as a byproduct. (Most hydrogen today is derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.) Run through a fuel cell, the hydrogen immediately gives back that energy, in the form of electricity, as soon as it combines with oxygen. Out of the exhaust pipe comes only water vapor (H2O)."

###

The challenge for automotive engineers is that hydrogen fuel cells are happiest at a steady power output. That’s what makes them suitable for backup power use, for instance. But the power demands in the average car vary by an order of magnitude, from something like 15 kilowatts (20 horsepower) to keep a vehicle at a steady highway speed on a flat road to perhaps 10 or 20 times that amount for maximum acceleration to 60 mph or higher.

The fuel cell in the Toyota Mirai, the best-selling hydrogen car in the U.S., is rated at 90 kW (120 horsepower). But that's not enough to accelerate onto a fast-moving highway, so Toyota (as do other HFCV makers) adds in a high-voltage low-capacity battery, very similar to those used in gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles. It's there to supply supplemental power for short periods of intense acceleration, and it's recharged from either excess fuel-cell output when the car is cruising at a steady speed or via regenerative braking when the car slows. The three hydrogen cars sold in recent years all have EPA-rated ranges of 300 miles or more, though, like EVs, that range falls substantially at higher speeds.

Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know

They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[peacefan]

Total waste of money. They are even less practical than all EV cars you plug in for hours.

A quick summary...

Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know​

They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.
BY JOHN VOELCKER PUBLISHED: SEP 26, 2022

"You may hear that hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. At the atomic level, that's true—but hydrogen is never found in its pure state. It's always combined with other elements. Its strong propensity to bind with anything in sight makes it a good energy carrier. Creating pure hydrogen for vehicles requires using a great deal of energy to "crack" a compound like natural gas (CH4) into pure H2, with CO2 as a byproduct. (Most hydrogen today is derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.) Run through a fuel cell, the hydrogen immediately gives back that energy, in the form of electricity, as soon as it combines with oxygen. Out of the exhaust pipe comes only water vapor (H2O)."

###

The challenge for automotive engineers is that hydrogen fuel cells are happiest at a steady power output. That’s what makes them suitable for backup power use, for instance. But the power demands in the average car vary by an order of magnitude, from something like 15 kilowatts (20 horsepower) to keep a vehicle at a steady highway speed on a flat road to perhaps 10 or 20 times that amount for maximum acceleration to 60 mph or higher.

The fuel cell in the Toyota Mirai, the best-selling hydrogen car in the U.S., is rated at 90 kW (120 horsepower). But that's not enough to accelerate onto a fast-moving highway, so Toyota (as do other HFCV makers) adds in a high-voltage low-capacity battery, very similar to those used in gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles. It's there to supply supplemental power for short periods of intense acceleration, and it's recharged from either excess fuel-cell output when the car is cruising at a steady speed or via regenerative braking when the car slows. The three hydrogen cars sold in recent years all have EPA-rated ranges of 300 miles or more, though, like EVs, that range falls substantially at higher speeds.

Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know

They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.

www.caranddriver.com

you can't outlaw a new industry just because it's new!

 

[Markle]

you can't outlaw a new industry just because it's new!

Who said to outlaw anything?

Did the government have to pay you to buy a fax machine? Computer? Smartphone?

 

[badbob85037]

I don't understand how will it solve our renewable energy problem where there are not any pure hydrogen fueled vehicles. Why pay for a fuel you can produce while you drive. Why is biden paying for tecknowledgy that doesn't exist and why is this a good thing?It sounds like another biden train wreck.

I wonder where the money GWB gave those same companies to do the same thing when he was president. Someone needs to ask both of them then give me a tax break.

 

[Libby von H]

Biden Administration Awards $7 Billion for 7 Hydrogen Hubs Across the U.S.
Clean hydrogen could help fight climate change, but it barely exists today. Now the administration wants to build an entire industry from scratch.

Remote : Fri, 13 Oct 2023 09:03:22 +0000
Local : 2023-10-13(Friday) 11 : 03 : 22
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i support this.
even though it's gonna cost a lot of money, it's a vital example to the rest of the world.

Doomed from the start.
1) Most of that money will go into pockets as with Ukraine, Covid, and many things he's done
2) That is your money he is using and your children's, it solves nothing which is why it bypasses voting and congressional mandates.
3) His offshore windmills scheme already lost billions and is collapsing
"Wind energy developer Orsted is writing off $4 billion, due largely to the cancellation of two large offshore wind projects in New Jersey whose financial challenges mirror those facing the nascent industry." Oh!!! You and the kids still have to pay big bucks for the failure---after you bankroll the hydrogen hubs, that is.

Before applauding, know that Indian and China are rapidly very rapidly INCREASING coal usage. Most watchdog groups write them out of any cooperation in climate measures

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

i support this.
even though it's gonna cost a lot of money, it's a vital example to the rest of the world.

A vital example of green idiocy.

 

[peacefan]

Doomed from the start.
1) Most of that money will go into pockets as with Ukraine, Covid, and many things he's done
2) That is your money he is using and your children's, it solves nothing which is why it bypasses voting and congressional mandates.
3) His offshore windmills scheme already lost billions and is collapsing
"Wind energy developer Orsted is writing off $4 billion, due largely to the cancellation of two large offshore wind projects in New Jersey whose financial challenges mirror those facing the nascent industry." Oh!!! You and the kids still have to pay big bucks for the failure---after you bankroll the hydrogen hubs, that is.

Before applauding, know that Indian and China are rapidly very rapidly INCREASING coal usage. Most watchdog groups write them out of any cooperation in climate measures

fine, how about we invest some millions and maybe a few billion into nuclear fusion powerplant research then?
a type of public R&D that can be put on regular repeat in the major news headlines.
a silver bullet.

 

[peacefan]

A vital example of green idiocy.

and you're a vital example of republican red's typical ostrich behavior.

let's stop the name-calling though, shall we?
tends to distract from the topic.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

and you're a vital example of republican red's typical ostrich behavior.

let's stop the name-calling though, shall we?
tends to distract from the topic.

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations​

MSN

www.msn.com

LOL!

 

[peacefan]

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations​

MSN

www.msn.com

LOL!

yeah. and articles like those are food for all ostriches.
bye now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

yeah. and articles like those are food for all ostriches.
bye now.

What do ostriches have to do with an article about a green failure?

 

[Flash]

Clean hydrogen could help fight climate change,

You are confused Moon Bat.

1. Hydrogen for vehicles is a terrible technology. In addition to being very dangerous it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than it replaces with fossil fuels.

2. There is no man made component to climate change so getting a hydrogen vehicle won't change anything. AGW is a scam.

This is just another dumbass Environmental Wacko project that cost billions of dollars at a time when we are $34 trillion in debt. President Potatohead is an idiot and anybody that voted for him is a moron.

I wonder what Democrat donors are getting rich on this scam?