BAN AR-15 GUNS

[M14 Shooter]

A petition on Change.org, which came up with I Googled "ban the AR15" to, once again, prove one of our resident trolls a liar
Petition: Sign the Petition
Resident lying troll: 2023: The truth about mass shootings and the AR-15

Anyway, the petition includes all the usual talking points, mindlessly regurgitated by a useful idiot who understands none of what she says.
Typical, unremarkable, and just as common on this board.

Included in this petition is a statement similar found in all such prattle:
BAN THESE WEAPONS NOW!! Sign and tell congress: we do not want these weapons available to the public for any reason

To this, I always ask, but never receive a meaningful response:
Currently, Americans own >20,000,000 AR-15s
-How will banning the AR15 accomplish anything if those 20,000,000 AR15s remain in private hands?
-How do you plan to get rid of them?

I doubt my experience this time will be any different than all the others.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

A petition on Change.org, which came up with I Googled "ban the AR15" to, once again, prove one of our resident trolls a liar
Petition: Sign the Petition
Resident lying troll: 2023: The truth about mass shootings and the AR-15

Anyway, the petition includes all the usual talking points, mindlessly regurgitated by a useful idiot who understands none of what she says.
Typical, unremarkable, and just as common on this board.

Included in this petition is a statement similar found in all such prattle:
BAN THESE WEAPONS NOW!! Sign and tell congress: we do not want these weapons available to the public for any reason

To this, I always ask, but never receive a meaningful response:
Currently, Americans own >20,000,000 AR-15s
-How will banning the AR15 accomplish anything if those 20,000,000 AR15s remain in private hands?
-How do you plan to get rid of them?

I doubt my experience this time will be any different than all the others.

If they ban them, and the courts allow that ban, then millions of law abiding citizens become criminal. Can you imagine the problem with that? Not enough jails to incarcerate them, but the FEAR of the force of government is to Nudge the law abiding citizen to give up their guns.

My response to that is...

 

[M14 Shooter]

If they ban them, and the courts allow that ban, then millions of law abiding citizens become criminal. Can you imagine the problem with that?

I certainly can:
One teenager with an AR15 held 376 police officers at bay for 77 minutes.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Change .org = Soros

 

[Death-Ninja]

Here is the proper response to this, no sales of arms and ammunition to any fascist democrats, period, no exceptions! There is absolutely no reason to be arming the enemy!

 

[Pete7469]

If they ban them, and the courts allow that ban, then millions of law abiding citizens become criminal. Can you imagine the problem with that? Not enough jails to incarcerate them, but the FEAR of the force of government is to Nudge the law abiding citizen to give up their guns.

My response to that is...

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100K unarmed people showed up without setting a fire and the bed wetters believe it was a failed putsch. I recognize these are bed wetters we're talking about, the dumbest creatures with opposable thumbs. They know banning things doesn't work, they're finally ready to give up on the weed at least, but only because they want the people lethargic and checked out. Otherwise all they're going to do is create a black market for weapons and eventually the full autos come in because it's ALL illegal right?

Fuckin retards.

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[Captain Caveman]

If they ban them, and the courts allow that ban, then millions of law abiding citizens become criminal. Can you imagine the problem with that? Not enough jails to incarcerate them, but the FEAR of the force of government is to Nudge the law abiding citizen to give up their guns.

My response to that is...

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You have buy back programs and then amnesty hand in days over the decades. In between those, those in possession in normal every policing duties will then face confiscation, bans, fines, jail etc..

The stubborn will soon find out.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You have buy back programs and then amnesty hand in days over the decades. In between those, those in possession in normal every policing duties will then face confiscation, bans, fines, jail etc..

The stubborn will soon find out.

England found out the hard way of trying to confiscate property of people who didnt want to comply, and the Constitution was created so people could defend themselves from government foreign or domestic.

For every 1 g-man with a gun, there are 100 civilians with a gun.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The perpetrator comes at you with a knife, so you pick up a knife to defend yourself, that's reasonable.

If I do not have a knife, but I do have a gun, how is it unreasonable to shoot them?

 

[Bell Huey]

If they ban them, and the courts allow that ban, then millions of law abiding citizens become criminal. Can you imagine the problem with that? Not enough jails to incarcerate them, but the FEAR of the force of government is to Nudge the law abiding citizen to give up their guns.

My response to that is...

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The 1994 ban had a grandfather clause. Most ban legislature I have seen also has one. It basically bans new manufacture of the weapons. If you owned on the day of enactment you could keep or sell it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The 1994 ban had a grandfather clause. Most ban legislature I have seen also has one. It basically bans new manufacture of the weapons. If you owned on the day of enactment you could keep or sell it.

Correct.
And thus, a ban on 'assault weapons' does not reduce their availability
This means the ban can have no effect on shootings, mass or otherwise.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The 1994 ban had a grandfather clause. Most ban legislature I have seen also has one. It basically bans new manufacture of the weapons. If you owned on the day of enactment you could keep or sell it.

Then it wasnt a ban.

 

[Bell Huey]

Then it wasnt a ban.

Generally speaking they can ban the manufacture and sale of NEW items but anything in possession prior to enactment is grandfathered in. It is like the 1986 Act concerning machine guns/automatic weapons. The bill was enacted in May of 1986. Meaning from that date forward you could not purchase one made after that date. If you owned one already you keep it. Or later sell it to someone else. That's why today those weapons go for tens of thousands of dollars. There are only around 600,000 in circulation.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Generally speaking they can ban the manufacture and sale of NEW items but anything in possession prior to enactment is grandfathered in. It is like the 1986 Act concerning machine guns/automatic weapons. The bill was enacted in May of 1986. Meaning from that date forward you could not purchase one made after that date. If you owned one already you keep it. Or later sell it to someone else. That's why today those weapons go for tens of thousands of dollars. There are only around 600,000 in circulation.

It still isnt banned, as long as people own them.

 

[Bell Huey]

It still isnt banned, as long as people own them.

Exactly. Only purchases of weapons manufactured after the enactment date. THere will still be 20 million of them out to own transfer, etc. And the price will go up.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Exactly. Only purchases of weapons manufactured after the enactment date. THere will still be 20 million of them out to own transfer, etc. And the price will go up.

And what is to stop the selling of just the parts of those weapons, you know when your antique AR-15 starts to break down, you need to buy replacement to keep it in proper working order, because you dont want to be shooting an unsafe gun?

 

[M14 Shooter]

And what is to stop the selling of just the parts of those weapons, you know when your antique AR-15 starts to break down, you need to buy replacement to keep it in proper working order, because you dont want to be shooting an unsafe gun?

Heh.
What's to stop someone taking a bolt action AR -- legal in 50 states - and swapping in a semi-auto upper?

 

[Bell Huey]

And what is to stop the selling of just the parts of those weapons, you know when your antique AR-15 starts to break down, you need to buy replacement to keep it in proper working order, because you dont want to be shooting an unsafe gun?

Generally speaking, only the lowers are considered weapons and the sale of such is regulated. I am not an expert on this aspect but that tells me that the manufacture of the other parts could continue.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Generally speaking, only the lowers are considered weapons and the sale of such is regulated. I am not an expert on this aspect but that tells me that the manufacture of the other parts could continue.

But if the lower breaks down? And it isnt a weapon until the uppers are attached. So it isnt an AR-15.

 

[M14 Shooter]

But if the lower breaks down? And it isnt a weapon until the uppers are attached. So it isnt an AR-15.

Legally, the lower is the gun, even thought it does not meet the federal definition of "receiver".
Lowers do not, except for unusual and extraordinary circumstances, break.