At what point does Obam become responsible?

[code1211]

Everything that happened the entire 8 years Bush was President was laid at his feet, INCLUDING the 4 years Congress was not controlled by the Republicans. Almost 3 years into Obama's Presidency and according to the same people he is not responsible for anything.

If you want to acknowledge that Bush was in fact responsible for everything that happened on his watch,

then yes, you earn the right to proclaim Obama responsible for everything that has happened on his watch.

Does this mean that you proclaim Obama responsible for everything that has happened on his watch?

 

[code1211]

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We know the Bush tax cuts eliminated the budget surplus his administration inherited resulting in new deficits, exacerbated by an expansion of the size of government and new programs. But did it cause the December 2007 crash? There’s no way of knowing at this time. As with the Obama presidency, the GWB presidency will be evaluated and judged by later generations.

When the milk in my refrigerator starts to smell bad, I don't wait 10 years to throw it out.

On Monday, September 29, 2008, the stock market smelled like spoiled milk. Yet Presidential candidate John McCain smelled THIS : here was what he said leading up to that day:

"The fundamentals of our economy are essentially strong"


and over 50 million American voters chose to believe that.... even in November, 2008, when things had tanked, and those 50 million still voted for him, instead of the darker skinned guy with the funny name.

A few dozen of those Obama hating McCain voters seem to be here, still believing that McCain would have given them MORE tax cuts than Obama did, allowed all the banks and GM and Chrysler to fail and somehow miraculously saved millions more American jobs by ignoring GM and Chrysler, and bankrupting our economy sooner.

Some people, even as adults, seem unable to add two and two and get four.

You can hold your own opinion, folks, but you can't have your own cup of reality. Two and two are still four. We DID indeed have the worst recession since 1929, and McCain DID NOT see the problem that had come and set into the world economy, and still 50 million people voted for him. I haven't got a single clue as to why.

It does make you wonder doesn't it? I remember when the crisis was happening and McCain stopped his campaign. I wonder what he would have done? And think about this one. What if he were elected and then died and Palin took over the seat. That is the stuff of nightmares.

And now the right wants us to have another nightmare as they play politics with the debt ceiling to protect their corporate masters.

The debt is increasing at the rate of about a Trhillion dollars every 9 months.

Are you suggesting that the debt limit be increased with no plan whatsoever to slow the growth of the debt?

 

[Sallow]

Bush had 8 years to royally fuck things up. Obama's had maybe 2 years to fix them.

Using the example of the world trade's center..because it's appropriate..conservatives from another country, enabled by conservatives in this country, destroyed that too..it took a decade to put it up..and hours to knock it down.

Why is the expectation that Obama is going to fix 8 years of screwing up what took decades to build in 2 short years?

 

[Too Tall]

Analysis: Republicans Accepting Blame for Clinton Recession
Christopher Ruddy
Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2001


Bush says he inherited recession

Bush, Cheney take advantage of revised GDP data to say economy a mess when they took office.

How does one "inherit" a recession from a booming economy?

Bush took office on January 20,2001.

The actual burst of the stock market bubble occurred in the form of the NASDAQ crash in March 2000. Growth in gross domestic product slowed considerably in the third quarter of 2000 to the lowest rate since a contraction in the first quarter of 1991.

Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From 2000 to 2001, the Federal Reserve in a move to quell the stock market, made successive interest rate increases, credited in part for "plunging the country into a recession. Using the stock market as an unofficial benchmark, a recession would have begun in March 2000 when the NASDAQ crashed following the collapse of the Dot-com bubble.

Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Recessions are defined in terms of declines in real GDP. By this definition the U.S. entered a recession in the third quarter of 2001 but statistics other than real GDP indicate that the problems for the economy developed in the summer of 2000.

The U.S. Recession of 2001-2002

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Everything that happened the entire 8 years Bush was President was laid at his feet, INCLUDING the 4 years Congress was not controlled by the Republicans. Almost 3 years into Obama's Presidency and according to the same people he is not responsible for anything.

When George Bush fucks-up....

....he doesn't mess-around!!!!

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What.....when you "conservatives" figured it was a pretty-good idea to take-over baby-sitting duties (for George Sr. & Babs), they were STILL gonna cover Lil' Dumbya's expenses????

 

[Sallow]

NASDAQ crashed?

So what?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Everything that happened the entire 8 years Bush was President was laid at his feet, INCLUDING the 4 years Congress was not controlled by the Republicans. Almost 3 years into Obama's Presidency and according to the same people he is not responsible for anything.

If you want to acknowledge that Bush was in fact responsible for everything that happened on his watch,

then yes, you earn the right to proclaim Obama responsible for everything that has happened on his watch.

Does this mean that you proclaim Obama responsible for everything that has happened on his watch?

I never held Bush responsible for everything that happened on his watch, so fuck off.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Analysis: Republicans Accepting Blame for Clinton Recession
Christopher Ruddy
Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2001


Bush says he inherited recession

Bush, Cheney take advantage of revised GDP data to say economy a mess when they took office.

How does one "inherit" a recession from a booming economy?

Bush took office on January 20,2001.


Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From 2000 to 2001, the Federal Reserve in a move to quell the stock market, made successive interest rate increases, credited in part for "plunging the country into a recession. Using the stock market as an unofficial benchmark, a recession would have begun in March 2000 when the NASDAQ crashed following the collapse of the Dot-com bubble.

Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Recessions are defined in terms of declines in real GDP. By this definition the U.S. entered a recession in the third quarter of 2001 but statistics other than real GDP indicate that the problems for the economy developed in the summer of 2000.

The U.S. Recession of 2001-2002

And thus Obama inherited a much deeper, much more severe recession.

 

[Sallow]

When the milk in my refrigerator starts to smell bad, I don't wait 10 years to throw it out.

On Monday, September 29, 2008, the stock market smelled like spoiled milk. Yet Presidential candidate John McCain smelled THIS : here was what he said leading up to that day:

"The fundamentals of our economy are essentially strong"


and over 50 million American voters chose to believe that.... even in November, 2008, when things had tanked, and those 50 million still voted for him, instead of the darker skinned guy with the funny name.

A few dozen of those Obama hating McCain voters seem to be here, still believing that McCain would have given them MORE tax cuts than Obama did, allowed all the banks and GM and Chrysler to fail and somehow miraculously saved millions more American jobs by ignoring GM and Chrysler, and bankrupting our economy sooner.

Some people, even as adults, seem unable to add two and two and get four.

You can hold your own opinion, folks, but you can't have your own cup of reality. Two and two are still four. We DID indeed have the worst recession since 1929, and McCain DID NOT see the problem that had come and set into the world economy, and still 50 million people voted for him. I haven't got a single clue as to why.

It does make you wonder doesn't it? I remember when the crisis was happening and McCain stopped his campaign. I wonder what he would have done? And think about this one. What if he were elected and then died and Palin took over the seat. That is the stuff of nightmares.

And now the right wants us to have another nightmare as they play politics with the debt ceiling to protect their corporate masters.

The debt is increasing at the rate of about a Trhillion dollars every 9 months.

Are you suggesting that the debt limit be increased with no plan whatsoever to slow the growth of the debt?

Republicans voted 19 times to increase the debt limit under Bush with "no plan". What's changed, exactly?

Oh yeah..there's a Democrat in the White House..so now deficits "matter".

 

[NYcarbineer]

This thread happened to remind me of the time Mary Matalin said Bush inherited 9/11.

 

[Sallow]

This thread happened to remind me of the time Mary Matalin said Bush inherited 9/11.

He did.

From his father and Ronald Reagan.

They funded the Muj.

 

[The T]

It does make you wonder doesn't it? I remember when the crisis was happening and McCain stopped his campaign. I wonder what he would have done? And think about this one. What if he were elected and then died and Palin took over the seat. That is the stuff of nightmares.

And now the right wants us to have another nightmare as they play politics with the debt ceiling to protect their corporate masters.

The debt is increasing at the rate of about a Trhillion dollars every 9 months.

Are you suggesting that the debt limit be increased with no plan whatsoever to slow the growth of the debt?

Republicans voted 19 times to increase the debt limit under Bush with "no plan". What's changed, exactly?

Oh yeah..there's a Democrat in the White House..so now deficits "matter".

So now thpose same that opposed it then are for it...with a plan they don't want because they will have to wrest their power they have over the moocher class.

 

[Sallow]

The debt is increasing at the rate of about a Trhillion dollars every 9 months.

Are you suggesting that the debt limit be increased with no plan whatsoever to slow the growth of the debt?

Republicans voted 19 times to increase the debt limit under Bush with "no plan". What's changed, exactly?

Oh yeah..there's a Democrat in the White House..so now deficits "matter".

So now thpose same that opposed it then are for it...with a plan they don't want because they will have to wrest their power they have over the moocher class.

Oh the irony.

 

[Antiderivative]

Liberals love to torture Bradley Manning and wage unjust wars.

They love their police state.

Liberals love to lie.

 

[The T]

Republicans voted 19 times to increase the debt limit under Bush with "no plan". What's changed, exactly?

Oh yeah..there's a Democrat in the White House..so now deficits "matter".

So now thpose same that opposed it then are for it...with a plan they don't want because they will have to wrest their power they have over the moocher class.

Oh the irony.

What irony is that? That you are one of the moochers that want larger government? If that be the case? You are correct. You have my permission to laugh at yourself.

 

[mudwhistle]

Analysis: Republicans Accepting Blame for Clinton Recession
Christopher Ruddy
Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2001


Bush says he inherited recession

Bush, Cheney take advantage of revised GDP data to say economy a mess when they took office.

How does one "inherit" a recession from a booming economy?

When the MSM has spent the last couple of years talking up a weak economy to help bring up a Democrat President's poll numbers.

In Bush's case, the last 3 years of his administration the Dems and their media allies talked down the economy.

 

[Sallow]

So now thpose same that opposed it then are for it...with a plan they don't want because they will have to wrest their power they have over the moocher class.

Oh the irony.

What irony is that? That you are one of the moochers that want larger government? If that be the case? You are correct. You have my permission to laugh at yourself.

You cheered Bush for 8 long years while he set up the Department of Homeland defense, started 2 real live wars in which countries were conquered and nation building took place, signed into law medicare part d and are now rambling on about "big government".

That's irony gold..pal.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

How does one "inherit" a recession from a booming economy?

Bush took office on January 20,2001.


Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Recessions are defined in terms of declines in real GDP. By this definition the U.S. entered a recession in the third quarter of 2001 but statistics other than real GDP indicate that the problems for the economy developed in the summer of 2000.

The U.S. Recession of 2001-2002

And thus Obama inherited a much deeper, much more severe recession.

....That'd been SNOWBALLING.....

......ever since Lil' Dumbya PREDICTED IT!!!!

I guess he overlooked Part II of his.....

......lil' game-plan.....

.....that you're (eventually) supposed to FIX The Problem.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

By his own admission Obama's a failed leader.

 

[WillowTree]

By his own admission Obama's a failed leader.

Well, he is when he puts pen to paper.