Arkansas GOP State Rep Thinks Slavery Was Blessing in Disguise for Blacks

[Lovebears65]

I dont think Slavery was best for blacks but I do believe the blacks here are better off then the ones in Africa. That is fact. I just wish they came here in a different way .. No one should be a slave ever!

 

[squeeze berry]

The children and grandchildren of slaves were not given the American dream. They were offered second class citizenship and offered menial jobs.

To try to offer the "You were better than a Jungle Bunny" argument is offensive

It's only "offensive" to liberal morons who would never admit the truth if it conflicted with their agenda. Today few blacks are doing menial jobs. Even if they were, they would still be far better off than 95% of blacks living in Africa. They don't have to worry about dying from Malaria or a thousand other diseases. They have television, air conditioning, clean running water, good medical and dental care, cars, decent homes and a thousand other things that blacks in Africa only dream about.

Anyone who says they are not better off is simply a sleazy dishonest propagandist.

The fallacy of your "Jungle Bunny" argument is you neglect the obvious alternative of what would be the economic position of blacks today if Africans were given the option to immigrate to the US on their own initiative, be paid a fair wage and receive free land

You know....like whites were

ummmm

can we have a link to the free land comment?

 

[rightwinger]

It's only "offensive" to liberal morons who would never admit the truth if it conflicted with their agenda. Today few blacks are doing menial jobs. Even if they were, they would still be far better off than 95% of blacks living in Africa. They don't have to worry about dying from Malaria or a thousand other diseases. They have television, air conditioning, clean running water, good medical and dental care, cars, decent homes and a thousand other things that blacks in Africa only dream about.

Anyone who says they are not better off is simply a sleazy dishonest propagandist.

The fallacy of your "Jungle Bunny" argument is you neglect the obvious alternative of what would be the economic position of blacks today if Africans were given the option to immigrate to the US on their own initiative, be paid a fair wage and receive free land

You know....like whites were

ummmm

can we have a link to the free land comment?

Land Run of 1889 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jackson]

Has anyone ever heard of Liberia?

Why,when,who,how?

Freed slaves had the opportunity to sail back to Africa and settle in Liberia after the Emancipation. Few took that opportunity. They wanted to stay in America. Those that did however, were found to take the natives there as their own slaves and continue life as it was under America.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those blacks who immigrated after the Civil War to America, while still having to face a "negrophobic" America, still did better than the American-born black through the 1960s.

This Sarah Palin/Michelle Bachmann maniac thinking that somehow slavery was boon to Africans is the worse type of negligent racism.

The fallacy of your "Jungle Bunny" argument is you neglect the obvious alternative of what would be the economic position of blacks today if Africans were given the option to immigrate to the US on their own initiative, be paid a fair wage and receive free land

You know....like whites were

ummmm

can we have a link to the free land comment?

Land Run of 1889 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bripat9643]

The fallacy of your "Jungle Bunny" argument is you neglect the obvious alternative of what would be the economic position of blacks today if Africans were given the option to immigrate to the US on their own initiative, be paid a fair wage and receive free land

You know....like whites were

Why would anyone give them that option? Furthermore, even if they had that option, no black could have emigrated in the 17th or 18th Centuries. How would they pay for their passage?

I'm comparing two things that actually happened. Some blacks were enslaved and brought to America. Some stayed in Africa. The descendents of the former are far better off than the descendents of the later.

End of story.

Comparing the situation of blacks with some mythical history is a fools errand. Why not imagine that some fairy waved her magic wand and turned Africa into a paradise? That would make as much sense as your imbecile scenario.

 

[jtpr312]

The truth is, for many blacks living in the "hood" today, their anscestors that were slaves had it much better. Most today are STILL slaves, the only difference is back in the day the slavemaster took care of them all the time, nowadays their slavemaster only takes care of them around election time.

 

[xsited1]

Yeah im going to guess they meant it a different way than blaming the decline of our education system...just a hunch.

Well, that is a different matter. Here's what was said:

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.”

Decades of data shows he is correct. Personally, I place the blame squarely on the government for destroying the black family unit and lowering educational standards for everyone.

It's always helpful to point fingers and blame others.

I agree that blacks need to step up to the plate and take personal responsibility for their plight. I have said as much. Unfortunately the allure of a free lunch is too many to refuse.

 

[jtpr312]

The children and grandchildren of slaves were not given the American dream. They were offered second class citizenship and offered menial jobs.

To try to offer the "You were better than a Jungle Bunny" argument is offensive

It's only "offensive" to liberal morons who would never admit the truth if it conflicted with their agenda. Today few blacks are doing menial jobs. Even if they were, they would still be far better off than 95% of blacks living in Africa. They don't have to worry about dying from Malaria or a thousand other diseases. They have television, air conditioning, clean running water, good medical and dental care, cars, decent homes and a thousand other things that blacks in Africa only dream about.

Anyone who says they are not better off is simply a sleazy dishonest propagandist.

The fallacy of your "Jungle Bunny" argument is you neglect the obvious alternative of what would be the economic position of blacks today if Africans were given the option to immigrate to the US on their own initiative, be paid a fair wage and receive free land

You know....like whites were

That's the problem with your argument. They did not have the intiative to build the ships to bring them here, nor for that matter the roads, universities, cities, planes, airports, or any other trappings of civilization that would have enabled them to emigrate any further than they could walk while living off the land. Slavery was the best thing to ever happen for the American negro of today. Too bad it was due to a negro, (one of the original slaves brought to this nation, freed by law after his set time of servitude, also by law and GIVEN land), in the first place that their ancestors had to live as slaves all their lives. Slavery as we know it in America today, meaning born live and die as a slave, is due for the most part to a court case argued by and won by a freed african slave fighting to be able to own his own african slave for life. Hmm, bet you never learned that in school during black history month huh?

See Johnson vs Parker Northampton Co Va. 1654

 

[rightwinger]

The fallacy of your "Jungle Bunny" argument is you neglect the obvious alternative of what would be the economic position of blacks today if Africans were given the option to immigrate to the US on their own initiative, be paid a fair wage and receive free land

You know....like whites were

Why would anyone give them that option? Furthermore, even if they had that option, no black could have emigrated in the 17th or 18th Centuries. How would they pay for their passage?

I'm comparing two things that actually happened. Some blacks were enslaved and brought to America. Some stayed in Africa. The descendents of the former are far better off than the descendents of the later.

End of story.

Comparing the situation of blacks with some mythical history is a fools errand. Why not imagine that some fairy waved her magic wand and turned Africa into a paradise? That would make as much sense as your imbecile scenario.

Since we are playing a what if scenario

Yes blacks could have immigrated in the 17th and 18th century. Same as poor whites. The Americas needed cheap labor. They could have gone to Africa and offered passage in return for some form of indenture. The key being choice instead of being captured and forced into servitude.

If blacks had been offered the same opportunities as similar whites, their economic position would be much better today. Same goes for post civil war Jim Crow

 

[Charles_Main]

Arkansas GOP State Rep Thinks Slavery Was Blessing in Disguise for Blacks

Republican State Rep. Jon Hubbard of Jonesboro, Arkansas has some instructive things to say about black Americans in his book available on Amazon, “Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative.” For example, he believes that slavery was a blessing in disguise for black people, as pointed out earlier today by Talk Business.

Hubbard justifies slavery as a blessing for black people because they got citizenship in America as a result (never mind that they may have preferred to live with their families rather than be abducted and sold as human slaves):

the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.” (Pages 183-89)

Hubbard wants African Americans to appreciate all that they gained via slavery:

African Americans must “understand that even while in the throes of slavery, their lives as Americans are likely much better than they ever would have enjoyed living in sub-Saharan Africa.”

Hubbard seeks to justify slavery by suggesting that it was no worse than living in Africa:

Knowing what we know today about life on the African continent, would an existence spent in slavery have been any crueler than a life spent in sub-Saharan Africa?” (Pages 93 and 189)

Hubbard’s “frustrations” are clear. Black people are ruining our education system when they should be grateful that we used them as human tools to enrich the elite whites:

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.” (Page 27)

Hubbard calls himself a Christian in his opening, and then proceeds to explain how it was a blessing for other human beings to be subjugated to the often brutal conditions of human slavery, stolen from their home land and ripped away from their families, so that they could enjoy the “freedom” of America once they were lucky enough to obtain citizenship.

Hubbard’s resentments are pretty common among Southern Republicans (and it seems, Republicans in general these days). They feel put upon by having the inequity and immorality of slavery pointed out, and their response is that black people were really actually lucky to be slaves and they’ve had about enough complaining from liberals and blacks about the inequities in the system. Shut up and be grateful is the message.

Hubbard goes on in his book to explain that Democrats give “entitlement” handouts to blacks in order to keep them “dependent”. If those words are ringing a bell, it’s because Mitt Romney has made a campaign of these underlying ideas as his recent caught on tape comments about the 47% revealed, lest anyone still be unclear as to the point of his inaccurate welfare to work ads.

The Republican message in 2012 is: Let’s restore America to the “way it was” back when white men had power and the brown people knew their place and were grateful for it. The brown people are ruining American education and sucking the system dry — they are to blame for all of our woes. (I’ve factchecked this over and over again, but just in case, there are more white people on food stamps and Obama did not remove the work requirement from welfare.)

Republicans claim they aren’t racists, and then things like this happen and are met with the silence of complicity until they go mainstream (see Todd Akin), at which point Republicans run away from the person caught, but not from the underlying beliefs and ideas that so repulsed the nation (see the Republican Party platform that mirrors Todd Akin’s beliefs on women’s health).

How do we know this? Because Hubbard published this on March 29, of 2009 and he was subsequently installed in the state House in 2010, with the Tea Party sweep of the nation. Who paid for his campaign? Party committees, aka the Republican Party.

Hubbard is being challenged this year by Democrat Harold Copenhaven. Lest you think Hubbard’s racism is confined to the written page, he demanded a state funded audit into whether the University of Arkansas spent any money discussing the plight of undocumented workers.

Hubbard also refused to tell citizens where he stands on any of the issues in the 2012 Political Courage Test, reminding Americans that Mitt Romney isn’t the only policy ghost in town.

In so much as Slavery is the reason they are now Free Americans living in the richest Nation on Earth, instead of Living in a 3rd world shit hole, You could call it a blessing for those alive today, But never for those who lived through it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The truth of it is for you, jtpr312, some black slaves in the day had it better than you do today.

The truth is, for many blacks living in the "hood" today, their anscestors that were slaves had it much better. Most today are STILL slaves, the only difference is back in the day the slavemaster took care of them all the time, nowadays their slavemaster only takes care of them around election time.

 

[Charles_Main]

Arkansas GOP State Rep Thinks Slavery Was Blessing in Disguise for Blacks

I've heard some blacks say the same thing. Damn racists.

Some do, But you will never hear the left attack them for it.

 

[rightwinger]

It's only "offensive" to liberal morons who would never admit the truth if it conflicted with their agenda. Today few blacks are doing menial jobs. Even if they were, they would still be far better off than 95% of blacks living in Africa. They don't have to worry about dying from Malaria or a thousand other diseases. They have television, air conditioning, clean running water, good medical and dental care, cars, decent homes and a thousand other things that blacks in Africa only dream about.

Anyone who says they are not better off is simply a sleazy dishonest propagandist.

The fallacy of your "Jungle Bunny" argument is you neglect the obvious alternative of what would be the economic position of blacks today if Africans were given the option to immigrate to the US on their own initiative, be paid a fair wage and receive free land

You know....like whites were

That's the problem with your argument. They did not have the intiative to build the ships to bring them here, nor for that matter the roads, universities, cities, planes, airports, or any other trappings of civilization that would have enabled them to emigrate any further than they could walk while living off the land. Slavery was the best thing to ever happen for the American negro of today. Too bad it was due to a negro, (one of the original slaves brought to this nation, freed by law after his set time of servitude, also by law and GIVEN land), in the first place that their ancestors had to live as slaves all their lives. Slavery as we know it in America today, meaning born live and die as a slave, is due for the most part to a court case argued by and won by a freed african slave fighting to be able to own his own african slave for life. Hmm, bet you never learned that in school during black history month huh?

See Johnson vs Parker Northampton Co Va. 1654

America needed cheap labor. The same boats that were available to support the slave trade would have been available to bring over cheap African labor.

The rest of your post is just damned offensive. But thanks for posting so we all know that your type of American has not gone away. They just post anonymously on message boards

 

[Unkotare]

The truth is, for many blacks living in the "hood" today, their anscestors that were slaves had it much better.

You sound like a leftist at heart.

 

[Unkotare]

Slavery was the best thing to ever happen for the American negro of today.

Ok, ok, we've established that you're an unamerican moron; don't belabor the point.

 

[Charles_Main]

The truth is, for many blacks living in the "hood" today, their anscestors that were slaves had it much better.

You sound like a leftist at heart.

To me he just sounds like your Typical Ignorant Product of the American Education System. Who sees things in a very simplistic Black and white ideal. To Compare Life for a black person in even the worst Inner city of America today, and say it is worse for them, than it was for people who were owned by other people. Shows a complete lack of Perspective, and understanding at all.

Not even really worth a response directly.

 

[Charles_Main]

Slavery was the best thing to ever happen for the American negro of today.

Ok, ok, we've established that you're an unamerican moron; don't belabor the point.

How is it Un American of him to state his Opinion? I believe he is simply pointing out that with out Slavery they would not today be America Blacks, they would be living in africa, with all that entails.

As I said before. You could call slavery a blessing in Disguise, because the long term end result for Ancestors of Black American Slaves, Is they are now Free American Citizens living in the richest, Freest and, Most Powerful Nation ever to exist.

 

[rightwinger]

It is not just an issue of if they were slaves or if they had been left in Africa. If Africans were treated as humans by the Colonial Europeans, they would have been in much better shape today. Africa had immense wealth. More than North America at the time. Exotic animal pelts and ivory had much more value at the time than the beaver pelts coming out of the US. Later on, immense reserves of gold and diamonds were found. All were exploited by the Europeans and Africans never received fair value

If Africans were treated as humans, they would have been able to accumulate immense wealth and they also would have been able to afford to immigrate to the Americas and be paid a fair wage if they chose to

 

[Unkotare]

Slavery was the best thing to ever happen for the American negro of today.

Ok, ok, we've established that you're an unamerican moron; don't belabor the point.

How is it Un American of him to state his Opinion?.

It is unamerican to value freedom so little (and to fail to understand it so completely) and to try and diminish the suffering of the ancestors of our fellow citizens due to the greatest contradiction and corruption of our ideals in the history of this great nation.

If you cut my legs off and beat me with them for a hundred years or so, should my primary feeling be one of gratitude when you finally stop? Am I complaining too much if I take issue with the fact that you gave me, in compensation, a couple of rotten planks to use as legs - planks that you kick out from under me regularly? And if finally, after another hundred years or so, I manage to get some of those cutting-edge prostetics like Oscar Pistorius used in the Olympics - whether I use them well or take good care of them or not - do I need to take seriously whining and moaning that YOU are now the victim? Do you really want me to cut your legs off and take it from the top? I don't think you do.