Are You Going to Hell?

[SweetSue92]

isn't self-sex a sin??

Something tells me you're the most sinful person here.

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different take on the subject of sin.

Filthy lies from the Father of Lies

 

[sparky]

isn't self-sex a sin??

Something tells me you're the most sinful person here.

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different idea about the subject of sin.

jesus was just a man--not god
he sinned also

You're asking what biblical scholars have for centuries, in that either Jesus was divine, or moved bt divinity.

One can trace the debate back to the Roman Ceasars during the councils of Nicaea , where the Romans assimilated the Christians.....quite effective i might add.... ........apparently their collesium shtick became a bore.....

~S~

 

[rightwinger]

really? I read the bible, and I don't see a "holy" or "perfect" being. I see a deity who is malicious, vindictive and petty.

This is a god who kills babies to teach people lessons.

again, this is horseshit and not moral.

So by your logic, Jeff Dahnmer accepted Jesus and therefore it became okay that he killed and ate all those people. Hopefully, none of those people went to heaven, because MAN, would that be awkward! ("So, um, Jeff, what did I taste like?")

MEANWHILE, Ann Frank never accepted Jesus. Probably because it was Christians who sent her and her family off to the Concentration Camps. So since she never accepted Jesus into her soul, she was going down to the pit of hell to burn forever and ever right along side Hitler and the Nazis who killed her. MAN, that would be fucking awkward, too!

So what kind of truly fucked up cosmology lets Jeff The Cannibal into heaven and sends Ann the Holocaust Victim to Hell.

Joe insists on going off in a tizzy, so he won't listen. But for others who might:

God is creator. He who creates has the right to take whenever He chooses. For any reason. Even to "teach a lesson". He is God. You are not.

What Jeffrey Dahmer did was not okay, is not okay, and will never be okay. Anne Frank was always and will always be a more moral person. God is not judging by a sliding moral scale who gets into heaven. ANY sin will keep you out of heaven--ANY sin. If Anne Frank was mean to her sister or said harsh words to her mother, she is not getting into heaven. Again: ANY sin.

Jeffrey Dahmer is let into heaven because his sin--atrocious as it is--is forgiven. Anne's was not. Simple as that.

Now, had his and her sin not been forgiven, his would have been punished much, much more. And had Anne's sins been forgiven, she probably would have earned greater rewards in heaven that Dahmer. That's where the sliding scale does come into play. But she does not gain entrance because her sins are not forgiven.

Again you don't have to like that system, one where deep sin can be forgiven, and "good" people can go to Hell. If you don't, you are free to reject it--at your peril. God will give you that choice.

What a sad view of religion

That is your opinion.

You are not God. I know that's a newsflash for you.

Pride: it's a killer.

Your view is why relision is hated

My religion is Gods favorite, every other belief goes to hell no matter how good they are

Wrong. My religion says not one of us is good enough. Did you miss that part?

That is even worse

 

[harmonica]

Were any of the OT figures righteous, really.

None is righteous, no, not one;

no one understands;
no one seeks for God.​

All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;

no one does good,
not even one.
​

St. Paul quotes David, who himself was not righteous, being the adulterer and murderer that he was. None is righteous, no, not one.

All the drama in the years between Adam and Jesus - the incest, the violence, the idolatry, the sorcery, and all the rest - is the story of a lawless people whose God is, by and large, just another god. That is why Jesus came; he brought an end to that lawless, Jewish age. His flesh was the veil that was ripped open to reveal the glory of God once again on the earth. Read the book of Hebrews.

Think again about why he came, really. Read the New Testament, even, if you have to.

Even in the context of scripture, hell is a fiction. Either you're among the righteous now or you're not. Either you're a Christian or you're not.

I used quotes around "holy" and then said none of us can uphold them perfectly. But you cannot dismiss Hell as fiction unless you dismiss the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, since He was the one who talked of it most.

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

you are perfect?
there is not total free will
now--no one go bat crazy when I give my examples--they are examples:
....ok--murder is a '''sin'''...if there is TOTAL free will, how come males commit over 85% of the sin murders??
..how come blacks murder [commit the sin of murder ] at four times the rate of whites?

Ain't it a kick in the head that in this entire thread I have been saying that the ENTIRE reason Jesus had to come is because no one is perfect--no, not one?

You know why people accuse Christians of being "perfect" though? Because they feel convicted by their sins, and they hate that. So they blame Christians for it, of course. Sorry, I don't own your sins, only my own. And those are bad enough. Believe me.

sinning is natural

 

[norwegen]

Fornicators, drunkards, idolaters and all the rest - those are not descriptors for people who sin; words like these are descriptors for those who were not Israelites (the chosen). Foreigners were the sinners.

Otherwise, everyone is doomed to suffer eternal damnation in a lake fire. Yea, you're right; what's the point of that? How does such 'punishment' serve God's ends?

God is describing Holiness. You only have to read the OT a little before you realize that a LOT of the OT figures were not very "holy" themselves, when held up to God's standards. In fact, none of us can uphold them perfectly.

That is why Jesus had to come.

Were any of the OT figures righteous, really.

None is righteous, no, not one;

no one understands;
no one seeks for God.​

All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;

no one does good,
not even one.
​

St. Paul quotes David, who himself was not righteous, being the adulterer and murderer that he was. None is righteous, no, not one.

All the drama in the years between Adam and Jesus - the incest, the violence, the idolatry, the sorcery, and all the rest - is the story of a lawless people whose God is, by and large, just another god. That is why Jesus came; he brought an end to that lawless, Jewish age. His flesh was the veil that was ripped open to reveal the glory of God once again on the earth. Read the book of Hebrews.

Think again about why he came, really. Read the New Testament, even, if you have to.

Even in the context of scripture, hell is a fiction. Either you're among the righteous now or you're not. Either you're a Christian or you're not.

I used quotes around "holy" and then said none of us can uphold them perfectly. But you cannot dismiss Hell as fiction unless you dismiss the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, since He was the one who talked of it most.

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

I know the Scriptures very well.

 

[SweetSue92]

really? I read the bible, and I don't see a "holy" or "perfect" being. I see a deity who is malicious, vindictive and petty.

This is a god who kills babies to teach people lessons.

again, this is horseshit and not moral.

So by your logic, Jeff Dahnmer accepted Jesus and therefore it became okay that he killed and ate all those people. Hopefully, none of those people went to heaven, because MAN, would that be awkward! ("So, um, Jeff, what did I taste like?")

MEANWHILE, Ann Frank never accepted Jesus. Probably because it was Christians who sent her and her family off to the Concentration Camps. So since she never accepted Jesus into her soul, she was going down to the pit of hell to burn forever and ever right along side Hitler and the Nazis who killed her. MAN, that would be fucking awkward, too!

So what kind of truly fucked up cosmology lets Jeff The Cannibal into heaven and sends Ann the Holocaust Victim to Hell.

Joe insists on going off in a tizzy, so he won't listen. But for others who might:

God is creator. He who creates has the right to take whenever He chooses. For any reason. Even to "teach a lesson". He is God. You are not.

What Jeffrey Dahmer did was not okay, is not okay, and will never be okay. Anne Frank was always and will always be a more moral person. God is not judging by a sliding moral scale who gets into heaven. ANY sin will keep you out of heaven--ANY sin. If Anne Frank was mean to her sister or said harsh words to her mother, she is not getting into heaven. Again: ANY sin.

Jeffrey Dahmer is let into heaven because his sin--atrocious as it is--is forgiven. Anne's was not. Simple as that.

Now, had his and her sin not been forgiven, his would have been punished much, much more. And had Anne's sins been forgiven, she probably would have earned greater rewards in heaven that Dahmer. That's where the sliding scale does come into play. But she does not gain entrance because her sins are not forgiven.

Again you don't have to like that system, one where deep sin can be forgiven, and "good" people can go to Hell. If you don't, you are free to reject it--at your peril. God will give you that choice.

What a sad view of religion

That is your opinion.

You are not God. I know that's a newsflash for you.

Pride: it's a killer.

Your view is why relision is hated

My religion is Gods favorite, every other belief goes to hell no matter how good they are

Wrong. My religion says not one of us is good enough. Did you miss that part?

Yes, because we are not God, and we fell. Sorry that hurts your feelers. Because of pride, some people have a very difficult time accepting that.

 

[sparky]

isn't self-sex a sin??

Something tells me you're the most sinful person here.

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different take on the subject of sin.

Filthy lies from the Father of Lies

>>>

~S~

 

[SweetSue92]

God is describing Holiness. You only have to read the OT a little before you realize that a LOT of the OT figures were not very "holy" themselves, when held up to God's standards. In fact, none of us can uphold them perfectly.

That is why Jesus had to come.

Were any of the OT figures righteous, really.

None is righteous, no, not one;

no one understands;
no one seeks for God.​

All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;

no one does good,
not even one.
​

St. Paul quotes David, who himself was not righteous, being the adulterer and murderer that he was. None is righteous, no, not one.

All the drama in the years between Adam and Jesus - the incest, the violence, the idolatry, the sorcery, and all the rest - is the story of a lawless people whose God is, by and large, just another god. That is why Jesus came; he brought an end to that lawless, Jewish age. His flesh was the veil that was ripped open to reveal the glory of God once again on the earth. Read the book of Hebrews.

Think again about why he came, really. Read the New Testament, even, if you have to.

Even in the context of scripture, hell is a fiction. Either you're among the righteous now or you're not. Either you're a Christian or you're not.

I used quotes around "holy" and then said none of us can uphold them perfectly. But you cannot dismiss Hell as fiction unless you dismiss the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, since He was the one who talked of it most.

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

I know the Scriptures very well.

Then you should be very well aware of when Jesus spoke in parables and when He did not.

 

[SweetSue92]

I used quotes around "holy" and then said none of us can uphold them perfectly. But you cannot dismiss Hell as fiction unless you dismiss the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, since He was the one who talked of it most.

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

you are perfect?
there is not total free will
now--no one go bat crazy when I give my examples--they are examples:
....ok--murder is a '''sin'''...if there is TOTAL free will, how come males commit over 85% of the sin murders??
..how come blacks murder [commit the sin of murder ] at four times the rate of whites?

Ain't it a kick in the head that in this entire thread I have been saying that the ENTIRE reason Jesus had to come is because no one is perfect--no, not one?

You know why people accuse Christians of being "perfect" though? Because they feel convicted by their sins, and they hate that. So they blame Christians for it, of course. Sorry, I don't own your sins, only my own. And those are bad enough. Believe me.

sinning is natural

Yes, since The Fall. If you make it natural for you, then eternity is set out for you. (shrug)

 

[norwegen]

isn't self-sex a sin??

Something tells me you're the most sinful person here.

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different idea about the subject of sin.

jesus was just a man--not god
he sinned also

You're asking what biblical scholars have for centuries, in that either Jesus was divine, or moved bt divinity.

One can trace the debate back to the Roman Ceasars during the councils of Nicaea , where the Romans assimilated the Christians.....quite effective i might add.... ........apparently their collesium shtick became a bore.....

~S~

Christianity crowded out paganism, actually. Constantine did not preside over the Council of Nicaea; the convention was entirely Christian.

 

[sparky]

Were any of the OT figures righteous, really.

None is righteous, no, not one;

no one understands;
no one seeks for God.​

All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;

no one does good,
not even one.
​

St. Paul quotes David, who himself was not righteous, being the adulterer and murderer that he was. None is righteous, no, not one.

All the drama in the years between Adam and Jesus - the incest, the violence, the idolatry, the sorcery, and all the rest - is the story of a lawless people whose God is, by and large, just another god. That is why Jesus came; he brought an end to that lawless, Jewish age. His flesh was the veil that was ripped open to reveal the glory of God once again on the earth. Read the book of Hebrews.

Think again about why he came, really. Read the New Testament, even, if you have to.

Even in the context of scripture, hell is a fiction. Either you're among the righteous now or you're not. Either you're a Christian or you're not.

I used quotes around "holy" and then said none of us can uphold them perfectly. But you cannot dismiss Hell as fiction unless you dismiss the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, since He was the one who talked of it most.

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

I know the Scriptures very well.

Then you should be very well aware of when Jesus spoke in parables and when He did not.

and a parable's synonym would be metaphor Sue.....

~S~

 

[hobelim]

really? I read the bible, and I don't see a "holy" or "perfect" being. I see a deity who is malicious, vindictive and petty.

This is a god who kills babies to teach people lessons.

again, this is horseshit and not moral.

So by your logic, Jeff Dahnmer accepted Jesus and therefore it became okay that he killed and ate all those people. Hopefully, none of those people went to heaven, because MAN, would that be awkward! ("So, um, Jeff, what did I taste like?")

MEANWHILE, Ann Frank never accepted Jesus. Probably because it was Christians who sent her and her family off to the Concentration Camps. So since she never accepted Jesus into her soul, she was going down to the pit of hell to burn forever and ever right along side Hitler and the Nazis who killed her. MAN, that would be fucking awkward, too!

So what kind of truly fucked up cosmology lets Jeff The Cannibal into heaven and sends Ann the Holocaust Victim to Hell.

Joe insists on going off in a tizzy, so he won't listen. But for others who might:

God is creator. He who creates has the right to take whenever He chooses. For any reason. Even to "teach a lesson". He is God. You are not.

What Jeffrey Dahmer did was not okay, is not okay, and will never be okay. Anne Frank was always and will always be a more moral person. God is not judging by a sliding moral scale who gets into heaven. ANY sin will keep you out of heaven--ANY sin. If Anne Frank was mean to her sister or said harsh words to her mother, she is not getting into heaven. Again: ANY sin.

Jeffrey Dahmer is let into heaven because his sin--atrocious as it is--is forgiven. Anne's was not. Simple as that.

Now, had his and her sin not been forgiven, his would have been punished much, much more. And had Anne's sins been forgiven, she probably would have earned greater rewards in heaven that Dahmer. That's where the sliding scale does come into play. But she does not gain entrance because her sins are not forgiven.

Again you don't have to like that system, one where deep sin can be forgiven, and "good" people can go to Hell. If you don't, you are free to reject it--at your peril. God will give you that choice.

What a sad view of religion

That is your opinion.

You are not God. I know that's a newsflash for you.

Pride: it's a killer.

Your view is why relision is hated

My religion is Gods favorite, every other belief goes to hell no matter how good they are

Wrong. My religion says not one of us is good enough. Did you miss that part?

"Us"?

Ya'll really should strive to become better people.

 

[norwegen]

Were any of the OT figures righteous, really.

None is righteous, no, not one;

no one understands;
no one seeks for God.​

All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;

no one does good,
not even one.
​

St. Paul quotes David, who himself was not righteous, being the adulterer and murderer that he was. None is righteous, no, not one.

All the drama in the years between Adam and Jesus - the incest, the violence, the idolatry, the sorcery, and all the rest - is the story of a lawless people whose God is, by and large, just another god. That is why Jesus came; he brought an end to that lawless, Jewish age. His flesh was the veil that was ripped open to reveal the glory of God once again on the earth. Read the book of Hebrews.

Think again about why he came, really. Read the New Testament, even, if you have to.

Even in the context of scripture, hell is a fiction. Either you're among the righteous now or you're not. Either you're a Christian or you're not.

I used quotes around "holy" and then said none of us can uphold them perfectly. But you cannot dismiss Hell as fiction unless you dismiss the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, since He was the one who talked of it most.

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

I know the Scriptures very well.

Then you should be very well aware of when Jesus spoke in parables and when He did not.

I even know what the parables are about. Do you?

 

[hobelim]

isn't self-sex a sin??

Something tells me you're the most sinful person here.

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest and most admired and respected people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different take on the subject of sin.

Filthy lies from the Father of Lies

Hey sister, I'm not making this shit up. Its in the bible. I didn't write the book. Did you never read it?

Aren't you a believer?

 

[sparky]

Something tells me you're the most sinful person here.

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different idea about the subject of sin.

jesus was just a man--not god
he sinned also

You're asking what biblical scholars have for centuries, in that either Jesus was divine, or moved bt divinity.

One can trace the debate back to the Roman Ceasars during the councils of Nicaea , where the Romans assimilated the Christians.....quite effective i might add.... ........apparently their collesium shtick became a bore.....

~S~

Christianity crowded out paganism, actually. Constantine did not preside over the Council of Nicaea; the convention was entirely Christian.

Iirc, the councils went on for longer than Constantine's reigh , but the jist was to interface with ,as well as hold to, roman gestalt

This began before methods of mass publication , and ended with their results

You do know that many 'books' hit the roman shredder ,right?

The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden - Wikipedia

~S~

 

[hobelim]

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different idea about the subject of sin.

jesus was just a man--not god
he sinned also

You're asking what biblical scholars have for centuries, in that either Jesus was divine, or moved bt divinity.

One can trace the debate back to the Roman Ceasars during the councils of Nicaea , where the Romans assimilated the Christians.....quite effective i might add.... ........apparently their collesium shtick became a bore.....

~S~

Christianity crowded out paganism, actually. Constantine did not preside over the Council of Nicaea; the convention was entirely Christian.

Iirc, the councils went on for longer than Constantine's reigh , but the jist was to interface with ,as well as hold to, roman gestalt

This began before methods of mass publication , and ended with their results

You do know that many 'books' hit the roman shredder ,right?

The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden - Wikipedia

~S~

Even the talmud was redacted under their watchful eyes.

 

[SweetSue92]

I used quotes around "holy" and then said none of us can uphold them perfectly. But you cannot dismiss Hell as fiction unless you dismiss the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, since He was the one who talked of it most.

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

I know the Scriptures very well.

Then you should be very well aware of when Jesus spoke in parables and when He did not.

I even know what the parables are about. Do you?

Yes but it's important to know when Jesus was not talking in parables as well.

 

[hobelim]

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

I know the Scriptures very well.

Then you should be very well aware of when Jesus spoke in parables and when He did not.

I even know what the parables are about. Do you?

Yes but it's important to know when Jesus was not talking in parables as well.

"Jesus told the crowds all these things in parables, in fact, he would not speak anything to them without a parable."

Matthew 13:34

 

[norwegen]

I love to sin
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

An interesting thing to notice is that even after Jesus repented for sins and the heavens opened up to him after the baptism of John he immediately went into the wilderness, lived among the wild beasts, and started eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and accused the holiest people of the social order of being sinners, actors and lying frauds.

I guess Jesus had a different idea about the subject of sin.

jesus was just a man--not god
he sinned also

You're asking what biblical scholars have for centuries, in that either Jesus was divine, or moved bt divinity.

One can trace the debate back to the Roman Ceasars during the councils of Nicaea , where the Romans assimilated the Christians.....quite effective i might add.... ........apparently their collesium shtick became a bore.....

~S~

Christianity crowded out paganism, actually. Constantine did not preside over the Council of Nicaea; the convention was entirely Christian.

Iirc, the councils went on for longer than Constantine's reigh , but the jist was to interface with ,as well as hold to, roman gestalt

This began before methods of mass publication , and ended with their results

You do know that many 'books' hit the roman shredder ,right?

The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden - Wikipedia

~S~

Christianity became the religion of Rome. Paganism lost favor in Rome. It's pretty much just that simple. Christianity and paganism were two entirely different theological models, allowing for very little assimilation.

 

[norwegen]

The big difference between Israelites of old and Christians now is that Christians have no law. Jesus introduced a new covenant and did away with the law. Without a law to transgress, who is a sinner?

But back to hell (no, not New Jersey): does the Bible mention an actual hell? A literal lake of fire?

I'll tell you what a metaphorical lake of fire was: the inferno that consumed the temple and consequently the cult of temple and the law.

You don't have a church fellowship or study the Scriptures do you? You like whatever makes you feel good. The scourge of our age, so you're definitely not alone. That's not a personal condemnation by the way--it's common to all of us to some extent.

I know the Scriptures very well.

Then you should be very well aware of when Jesus spoke in parables and when He did not.

I even know what the parables are about. Do you?

Yes but it's important to know when Jesus was not talking in parables as well.

The parables all have one theme in common. And that one theme is what Jesus preaches otherwise as well.