Are we upholding the goals of the founding fathers?

[BluesLegend]

We are a country much different than in 1789 and will not be going back at all.

No we are fighting the same tyrannical corrupt oppressive (Dem) government we fought in 1776.

 

[Independentthinker]

He's a constitutional crisis.


Trump said in 2016 that a president under indictment would “cripple the operations of our government” and create an “unprecedented constitutional crisis” – years before he himself was indicted on federal charges while running for a second term as president.

Trump made the comments nearly seven years ago about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Trump is a Constitutional crisis because democrats make everything a Constitutional crisis.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

pretty white women like vivian leigh scraping off their manicures in a radish patch.

those were the days! EvilCat Breath

Those were the days to the Union. That's what the north did to women. The yankees found it quite enjoyable too.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No we are fighting the same tyrannical corrupt oppressive (Dem) government we fought in 1776.

We could have out own list of Outrageous Acts.

 

[eagle1462010]

They rolled over in their graves long ago for what we have become.

 

[rampart]

No we are fighting the same tyrannical corrupt oppressive (Dem) government we fought in 1776.

sounds like george hanover stole that election.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Which Founding Fathers? Which ideals? You're being vague, clearly aiming at a particular point, and seem to be operating off little more than romanticized lore.

The Founding Fathers had a great variety of goals, not always aligned with each other.

All the founding fathers. The founding fathers had varying positions on many issues.
They realized the only way they could build a nation, all would have to compromise.
And they did. The compromise resulted in The Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights.
What I quoted was were the goals and conclusions the founding fathers compromise that resulted on our nation..

Our nation could not have been formed with out compromise and will not exist without compromise.
Too many do not believe in compromise in today's world. If they win out, our nation disppears.

Did you ever take a US History class?

Bullshit.

The cult controls your mind.

 

[Blaster]

All the founding fathers. The founding fathers had varying positions on many issues.
They realized the only way they could build a nation, all would have to compromise.
And they did. The compromise resulted in The Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights.
What I quoted was were the goals and conclusions the founding fathers compromise that resulted on our nation..

Our nation could not have been formed with out compromise and will not exist without compromise.
Too many do not believe in compromise in today's world. If they win out, our nation disppears.

Did you ever take a US History class?

The cult controls your mind.

Unlike you I am an Independent thinker.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Which Founding Fathers? Which ideals? You're being vague, clearly aiming at a particular point, and seem to be operating off little more than romanticized lore.

The Founding Fathers had a great variety of goals, not always aligned with each other.

All the founding fathers. The founding fathers had varying positions on many issues.
They realized the only way they could build a nation, all would have to compromise.
And they did. The compromise resulted in The Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights.
What I quoted was were the goals and conclusions the founding fathers compromise that resulted on our nation..

Our nation could not have been formed with out compromise and will not exist without compromise.
Too many do not believe in compromise in today's world. If they win out, our nation disppears.

Did you ever take a US History class?

Bullshit.

The cult controls your mind.

This coming from someone that wishes all Trump supporters would be run into camps.

For their and the countries own good, of course.

You will be defeated in the elections and osterized by society. No need to send you to camps.

 

[Blaster]

You will be defeated in the elections and osterized by society. No need to send you to camps.

I am not running for a political office bird-brain.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Not seeing a point of discussion.

Makes sense for a comment coming from someone who is trampling on the principles of our country as set up by our founding fathers.

 

[ElmerMudd]

As part of his arguments against the federal case against him for his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, the former president continues to claim that commanders-in-chief can never be charged for anything they do as part of their official duties.

How is he trying to eliminate separation of powers?

By degrading our justice department and congress. They are the major checks on his power. By falsely claiming our elections are corrupted. Our vote is the ultimate way citizens can make sure no one can take control of our country like a king and a dictator.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Here is a bit of Honest advice...

Founding Fathers were a bunch of mainly farmers who with the best intentions wrote a documents which they clearly believed should be changed in the future. They aren't some god like figures who need to be worshiped as having some form of superior intellect that could see into the future.

There general intention was that the US constitution should be changed in the future to reflect changing views in society.

Thomas Jefferson on whether the American Constitution is binding on those who were not born at the time it was signed and agreed to (1789) | Online Library of Liberty

The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water… (But) between society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have...

oll.libertyfund.org

They thought that they created a framework that would allow future generations to have the mechanism to change the constitution. In this case they couldn't foreseen how wrong that was. the US constitution is 234 years old. It hasn't had a change in over 50 years proposed and completed in over 50 years. That is over 20% of the time US has had a constitution in an even faster changing society with views changing at a more increasing pace.

Just give you an example, Ireland (I know smaller but has a constitution) changes its constitution by referendum. It has had 25 amedments since then. Yep that is one every 18 months on average.. Ireland has a pretty restrictive constitutions i.e. Abortion, Divorce, Death Penalty, EU membership,.... are all enshrined in the constitution... It takes a vote of the people to change, generally Irish don't politicians deciding these things, they should stay at other stuff like running the country...

US is a prisoner of the past and needs to grow up like Thomas Jefferson said above..

Those who are holding our country back from within are those who think our Constitution is "dead", as Scalia said. It cannot be changed except by ammendment.
Trump and MAGA are attacking our constitution from the outside. They are trying to destroy the basic principles put down by the founding fathers.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Unlike you I am an Independent thinker.

I don't consider a person who ignores the tenets of laid down by our founding fathers as an independent thinker.
I question your thinking ability.

 

[ElmerMudd]

I am not running for a political office bird-brain.

Like the communists and nazis before you, you will be relegated to an outcast position in our society.
MAGA will go the way of neo-Nazis and the KKK in time. Still be around but supported by the worst of the worst.

 

[OKTexas]

They had no place for women.

Funny how you think you have the moral authority to judge people who built this country more than 200 years before you ever existed. Standards are much different today than they were then. But the country they built allows you to be an asshole on the internet today.

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[BluesLegend]

Funny how you think you have the moral authority to judge people who built this country more than 200 years before you ever existed. Standards are much different today than they were then. But the country they built allows you to be an asshole on the internet today.

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It's another ElmerFudd thread of fail.

 

[eagle1462010]

All the founding fathers. The founding fathers had varying positions on many issues.
They realized the only way they could build a nation, all would have to compromise.
And they did. The compromise resulted in The Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights.
What I quoted was were the goals and conclusions the founding fathers compromise that resulted on our nation..

Our nation could not have been formed with out compromise and will not exist without compromise.
Too many do not believe in compromise in today's world. If they win out, our nation disppears.

Did you ever take a US History class?

The cult controls your mind.

If JFK were here today you would call him a cult member. The leftist have taken over the Dems. We have no reason to compromise with your insanity.

Now a message from within your party.

 

[Kondor3]

Someone else whose loyalty is with those dead white guys. Welcome aboard.

Fine. Hang onto that mindset. It will bring you great comfort as you endure the Democratic Urban Plantation experience.

 

[ElmerMudd]

If JFK were here today you would call him a cult member. The leftist have taken over the Dems. We have no reason to compromise with your insanity.

Now a message from within your party.

There was no JFK cult. There were many that admired JFK, but those people did not let JFK define their world. JFK brought people into his staff that disagreed with him. He felt that helped him make better decisions. Trump, as cult leaders do, eliminates those who disagree with him. Trump fears those who disagree with him are a threat and needs to eliminate them. Like Putin, Like Xi, Like Kin Jong un.