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White supremacists will lead this nation to civil war -- again. We can stop them before that happens.British soldiers were (are) servants to the crown. White supremacists are tools to distract us from the real issues.Try to imagine white supremacists as the British soldiers in the northern colonies circa 1770. There was no way for Americans to start solving our problems until we got rid of the British soldiers. That is the purpose of Antifa. We will fade away as soon as white supremacists are no longer a problem so Americans can start focusing on real issues.Hi member antifa and thanks for posting this.
I relate more to the views expressed by Chris Hedges in this video
but at least understand the Antifa purpose in that context.
I have experience working with both approaches within the Occupy
movement, and the peace and justice community where this issue
came up with the Revolutionary Workers and the Food Not Bombs
and Anti Racist Action as well as La Raza and other groups that
weren't opposed to using violence in protests against war and
global oppression. I share more of Chris Hedges views that
the greater goal IS to reach out and break down the barriers, and
form alliances by making allies within the very ranks being protested and opposed
in order to effect real change. But Mark Bray made it clear that part of the
process is not the goal of Antifa but to protest, target and stop small
groups at the start before they can mobilize into larger movements.
my criticisms of this are pretty much along the lines that Hedges expressed.
What I will say about Antifa
1. even after watching this video that explains their reasons for protest,
it still comes across to me as white men enlisting others to fight turf wars using the
same race baiting tactics against the opposite side. I find the real minorities who are
truly oppressed have needs that are met by working to solve problems across racial,
class and party lines. So although this protests serve a purpose to publicize and
protest problems, like Hedges also stated it doesn't serve to solve the actual problems.
2. in fact, I believe similar to Hedges criticism that these violent protests serve
to strengthen and embolden the very opposition they seek to strike fear and shame into.
Instead like Hedges said, because this doesn't make a dent in the real power structure,
those in power merely exploit these protests to empower more opposition to the opponents,
by demeaning and belittling and discrediting the groups due to violence and other criticisms of methods.
In addition to what Hedges says, I would say that these tactics REINFORCE the "white power"
tactics of divide and conquer and "fear based" politics, that merely keep those people in power further.
What I wish that more people did instead was adopt the tactic where the "greedy people in power"
will set aside their differences and commit to work together to achieve goals that benefit them anyway.
If the activists adopted THAT tactic and found ways to work together, then that would be fighting
fire with fire and beating people at their own game. Instead, taking the opposite path of
divide and conquer by fear based bullying and attacks is playing into the game of remaining
disempowered while those in control play one side against the other and still win regardless.
3. third is I don't see the connection between "people fighting against Nazi Hitler holocaust in Germany"
with antifa protests blaming White Supremacists or Nationalists in America at rallies or protests.
Instead this comes across as trying to silence free speech because the people speaking
at these White Unite the Right rallies are NOT the same as Nazi's having committed genocidal holocausts.
One group is actually fighting in defense against the actual armies and offenders doing the attacks.
The other is trying to do "preemptive" strikes at the point where people are exercising free speech and
haven't been proven to commit any race based attacks or lynchings much less genocidal acts that require physical defense.
Again, I understand Mark's explanation that the point is not to wait for the attacks to get to the point of unstoppable violence that can't be defended against. But if someone is committed offense by their speech, they should be answered
at the same level, so this dialogue should be open and civilized, not set up to fail by waging attacks on each other.
The last time I saw a video with an Antifa person, the woman representing Antifa refused to talk share or even shake the hand of the Unite the Right organizer who offered to dialogue and talk respectfully to address concerns and work it out.
So that's where I would disagree with Antifa and agree more with Hedges that a constructive approach is
more conducive to really changing the oppressive class and race based disparities by direct action and alliances.
4. overall I thank you for trying to reach out which is more than other antifa have been trying to do.
keep up the good work to address these issues,
and my main concern is the same as Hedges where the focus is on
building partnerships and alliances toward positive sustainable change.
I'd rather see those solultions in the media rather than anonymous
protestors attacking people they don't know and getting bad press
that sends the wrong message in the media that merely empowers the very dynamics being protested.
Thanks and keep up the good fight, build bridges not walls,
and support all workers uniting across all parties and classes
instead of being divided by party and conquered and oppressed.
Yours truly,
Emily Nghiem
www.10million.net
www.rightsfortheworkers.org
www.freedmenstown.com
Difference is antifa the British soldiers were the actual oppressive military forces.
People just defending white culture by free speech at rallies are not the same as actual soldiers.
This comes across as "misdirected"
like trying to target the "black thugs who are ACTUALLY killing people or cops"
by verbally and physically attacking or protesting "black people speaking out at rallies" but not actually doing the attacks.
Also I forgot to list in my response,
what are you doing or not doing about terrorist attacks, rapes
and selling people into slavery that people are doing other than Whites.
What about Mexican cartels who are committing mass violence and genocide,
what about jihadist terrorists who have taken over govts and terrorized civilians for power.
Are you equally against all men/power tyrants who are oppressing innocent
workers and minorities for military and govt controls?
Otherwise it seems "convenient" to blame and target and protest
civilized white men blaming them for the problems you are trying to use them to symbolize.
But avoiding confronting any really dangerous oppressors because that isn't
convenient or safe. So it looks chicken and cheap, just going for easy targets
but overlooking really gross threats to human rights as in terrorist and trafficking rings.
Isn't this just for convenience?
So how does responding to them and further drawing attention to this "distraction"
help to solve any of the real issues this is distracting from antifa
These are people who refer to minorities as dogs or animals. They brag about the good old days when lynching was a fun way to spend the weekend. There is no way to avoid another civil war unless middle class suburbia wakes up to where we are headed.People are people. I know a few Antifa who are conservative or libertarian. Not liking fascists is something we all should agree on.So you agree the manual is fake?Have you ever listened to antifart people talk? Every one of them that I have ever talked to has advocated for a one world government. They extol the virtues of a strong central government. One of them that I spoke with at length wanted to do away with the concept of private property. Is that a central desire of antifa or was that merely his particular goal?
You are talking to Antifa right here and I happen to know a little about it. Quite a few of Antifa are anarchists. Others are democratic socialist like Sanders. I consider myself to be a progressive conservative, i.e., change when change is needed.
The only antifa I have talked with in depth were in Berkeley and they were all hard core socialist. To date I have not met a single one that was an anarchist.
Anyone with a brain does, however, if you engage in acts of violence against people who are having a rally, and those people happen to have a philosophy that you don't approve of, you are engaging in fascist behavior. This is the USA and the ONLY language that is protected by the COTUS is hate speech. Lovey dovey speech doesn't need to be protected, but hate speech does. This country was founded on the principle that if you are a moron, and you want to tell the world just how big a moron you are, you have that Right. No one has the Right to shut them up.
Stop normalizing and protecting white supremacists. That allows them to think they are mainstream.
Furthermore, fascist, socialist, and communist are all the same. They are all collectivist idealogies that advocate for a strong central government, and no power in the hands of the people.You came here accusing me of being a fascist without knowing the difference between fascist and anti-fascist, so let me help you out.Fortunately for you I'm both! Got a puppy I can kick?
characteristics of fascism
pro dictatorship and anti-democracy
pro military, pro police
pro imperialist foreign policy
pro state, nationalist, xenophobic
pro toxic masculinity
racist, anti-semitic
characteristics of anti-fascism
pro peaceful foreign policy
pro community, pro worker rights
pro feminist and anti-racist
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]. 693, 721[5][6][7][8][9][page needed] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11]or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
"You really think anyone takes these backwoods "Nazi" protesters seriously?"White supremacists will lead this nation to civil war -- again. We can stop them before that happens.British soldiers were (are) servants to the crown. White supremacists are tools to distract us from the real issues.Try to imagine white supremacists as the British soldiers in the northern colonies circa 1770. There was no way for Americans to start solving our problems until we got rid of the British soldiers. That is the purpose of Antifa. We will fade away as soon as white supremacists are no longer a problem so Americans can start focusing on real issues.
Difference is antifa the British soldiers were the actual oppressive military forces.
People just defending white culture by free speech at rallies are not the same as actual soldiers.
This comes across as "misdirected"
like trying to target the "black thugs who are ACTUALLY killing people or cops"
by verbally and physically attacking or protesting "black people speaking out at rallies" but not actually doing the attacks.
Also I forgot to list in my response,
what are you doing or not doing about terrorist attacks, rapes
and selling people into slavery that people are doing other than Whites.
What about Mexican cartels who are committing mass violence and genocide,
what about jihadist terrorists who have taken over govts and terrorized civilians for power.
Are you equally against all men/power tyrants who are oppressing innocent
workers and minorities for military and govt controls?
Otherwise it seems "convenient" to blame and target and protest
civilized white men blaming them for the problems you are trying to use them to symbolize.
But avoiding confronting any really dangerous oppressors because that isn't
convenient or safe. So it looks chicken and cheap, just going for easy targets
but overlooking really gross threats to human rights as in terrorist and trafficking rings.
Isn't this just for convenience?
So how does responding to them and further drawing attention to this "distraction"
help to solve any of the real issues this is distracting from antifa
uhh ok lol...but what does the public see? You really think anyone takes these backwoods "Nazi" protesters seriously? People witness 2 violent groups and say thanks but no thanks.
You'd do better to call it a locked up power structure that will go to any lengths to keep things continuing in their favor.
I have the same right to deal with these imbeciles as I choose. You decided it is OK for a mod to equate me with fascists while being misinformed on what Antifa is about.These are people who refer to minorities as dogs or animals. They brag about the good old days when lynching was a fun way to spend the weekend. There is no way to avoid another civil war unless middle class suburbia wakes up to where we are headed.People are people. I know a few Antifa who are conservative or libertarian. Not liking fascists is something we all should agree on.So you agree the manual is fake?
You are talking to Antifa right here and I happen to know a little about it. Quite a few of Antifa are anarchists. Others are democratic socialist like Sanders. I consider myself to be a progressive conservative, i.e., change when change is needed.
The only antifa I have talked with in depth were in Berkeley and they were all hard core socialist. To date I have not met a single one that was an anarchist.
Anyone with a brain does, however, if you engage in acts of violence against people who are having a rally, and those people happen to have a philosophy that you don't approve of, you are engaging in fascist behavior. This is the USA and the ONLY language that is protected by the COTUS is hate speech. Lovey dovey speech doesn't need to be protected, but hate speech does. This country was founded on the principle that if you are a moron, and you want to tell the world just how big a moron you are, you have that Right. No one has the Right to shut them up.
Stop normalizing and protecting white supremacists. That allows them to think they are mainstream.
Yeah? So? That is what the First Amendment was written for. To protect imbeciles like that. I am not the one protecting them, the FIRST AMENDMENT is. If you don't like living in a country where people are encouraged to speak their minds then I suggest this isn't the country for you to live in.
I have the same right to deal with these imbeciles as I choose. You decided it is OK for a mod to equate me with fascists while being misinformed on what Antifa is about.These are people who refer to minorities as dogs or animals. They brag about the good old days when lynching was a fun way to spend the weekend. There is no way to avoid another civil war unless middle class suburbia wakes up to where we are headed.People are people. I know a few Antifa who are conservative or libertarian. Not liking fascists is something we all should agree on.The only antifa I have talked with in depth were in Berkeley and they were all hard core socialist. To date I have not met a single one that was an anarchist.
Anyone with a brain does, however, if you engage in acts of violence against people who are having a rally, and those people happen to have a philosophy that you don't approve of, you are engaging in fascist behavior. This is the USA and the ONLY language that is protected by the COTUS is hate speech. Lovey dovey speech doesn't need to be protected, but hate speech does. This country was founded on the principle that if you are a moron, and you want to tell the world just how big a moron you are, you have that Right. No one has the Right to shut them up.
Stop normalizing and protecting white supremacists. That allows them to think they are mainstream.
Yeah? So? That is what the First Amendment was written for. To protect imbeciles like that. I am not the one protecting them, the FIRST AMENDMENT is. If you don't like living in a country where people are encouraged to speak their minds then I suggest this isn't the country for you to live in.
USMB is infested with white supremacists so this is a good place as any for me to pimp slap these retarded crybabies.
I have the same right to deal with these imbeciles as I choose. You decided it is OK for a mod to equate me with fascists while being misinformed on what Antifa is about.These are people who refer to minorities as dogs or animals. They brag about the good old days when lynching was a fun way to spend the weekend. There is no way to avoid another civil war unless middle class suburbia wakes up to where we are headed.People are people. I know a few Antifa who are conservative or libertarian. Not liking fascists is something we all should agree on.
Anyone with a brain does, however, if you engage in acts of violence against people who are having a rally, and those people happen to have a philosophy that you don't approve of, you are engaging in fascist behavior. This is the USA and the ONLY language that is protected by the COTUS is hate speech. Lovey dovey speech doesn't need to be protected, but hate speech does. This country was founded on the principle that if you are a moron, and you want to tell the world just how big a moron you are, you have that Right. No one has the Right to shut them up.
Stop normalizing and protecting white supremacists. That allows them to think they are mainstream.
Yeah? So? That is what the First Amendment was written for. To protect imbeciles like that. I am not the one protecting them, the FIRST AMENDMENT is. If you don't like living in a country where people are encouraged to speak their minds then I suggest this isn't the country for you to live in.
USMB is infested with white supremacists so this is a good place as any for me to pimp slap these retarded crybabies.
No, you don't. You may set up shop right next door and yell, and scream, and carry on about how stupid they are. But you may NOT engage in violent behavior towards them. If you do you are violating their Right to free speech, and you are engaging in the tactics of fascism. Fascists deny the people their ability to speak.
And I know full well what antifa is about. I have eyes.
Furthermore, fascist, socialist, and communist are all the same. They are all collectivist idealogies that advocate for a strong central government, and no power in the hands of the people.You came here accusing me of being a fascist without knowing the difference between fascist and anti-fascist, so let me help you out.
characteristics of fascism
pro dictatorship and anti-democracy
pro military, pro police
pro imperialist foreign policy
pro state, nationalist, xenophobic
pro toxic masculinity
racist, anti-semitic
characteristics of anti-fascism
pro peaceful foreign policy
pro community, pro worker rights
pro feminist and anti-racist
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
Furthermore, fascist, socialist, and communist are all the same. They are all collectivist idealogies that advocate for a strong central government, and no power in the hands of the people.You came here accusing me of being a fascist without knowing the difference between fascist and anti-fascist, so let me help you out.
characteristics of fascism
pro dictatorship and anti-democracy
pro military, pro police
pro imperialist foreign policy
pro state, nationalist, xenophobic
pro toxic masculinity
racist, anti-semitic
characteristics of anti-fascism
pro peaceful foreign policy
pro community, pro worker rights
pro feminist and anti-racist
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
These are people who refer to minorities as dogs or animals. They brag about the good old days when lynching was a fun way to spend the weekend. There is no way to avoid another civil war unless middle class suburbia wakes up to where we are headed.People are people. I know a few Antifa who are conservative or libertarian. Not liking fascists is something we all should agree on.The only antifa I have talked with in depth were in Berkeley and they were all hard core socialist. To date I have not met a single one that was an anarchist.
Anyone with a brain does, however, if you engage in acts of violence against people who are having a rally, and those people happen to have a philosophy that you don't approve of, you are engaging in fascist behavior. This is the USA and the ONLY language that is protected by the COTUS is hate speech. Lovey dovey speech doesn't need to be protected, but hate speech does. This country was founded on the principle that if you are a moron, and you want to tell the world just how big a moron you are, you have that Right. No one has the Right to shut them up.
Stop normalizing and protecting white supremacists. That allows them to think they are mainstream.
USMB is infested with white supremacists so this is a good place as any for me to pimp slap these retarded crybabies.
"You really think anyone takes these backwoods "Nazi" protesters seriously?"White supremacists will lead this nation to civil war -- again. We can stop them before that happens.British soldiers were (are) servants to the crown. White supremacists are tools to distract us from the real issues.Difference is antifa the British soldiers were the actual oppressive military forces.
People just defending white culture by free speech at rallies are not the same as actual soldiers.
This comes across as "misdirected"
like trying to target the "black thugs who are ACTUALLY killing people or cops"
by verbally and physically attacking or protesting "black people speaking out at rallies" but not actually doing the attacks.
Also I forgot to list in my response,
what are you doing or not doing about terrorist attacks, rapes
and selling people into slavery that people are doing other than Whites.
What about Mexican cartels who are committing mass violence and genocide,
what about jihadist terrorists who have taken over govts and terrorized civilians for power.
Are you equally against all men/power tyrants who are oppressing innocent
workers and minorities for military and govt controls?
Otherwise it seems "convenient" to blame and target and protest
civilized white men blaming them for the problems you are trying to use them to symbolize.
But avoiding confronting any really dangerous oppressors because that isn't
convenient or safe. So it looks chicken and cheap, just going for easy targets
but overlooking really gross threats to human rights as in terrorist and trafficking rings.
Isn't this just for convenience?
So how does responding to them and further drawing attention to this "distraction"
help to solve any of the real issues this is distracting from antifa
uhh ok lol...but what does the public see? You really think anyone takes these backwoods "Nazi" protesters seriously? People witness 2 violent groups and say thanks but no thanks.
You'd do better to call it a locked up power structure that will go to any lengths to keep things continuing in their favor.
Serious enough to end up with that man-child Trump for 3 more years.
to equate me with fascists while being misinformed on what Antifa is about.These are people who refer to minorities as dogs or animals. They brag about the good old days when lynching was a fun way to spend the weekend. There is no way to avoid another civil war unless middle class suburbia wakes up to where we are headed.People are people. I know a few Antifa who are conservative or libertarian. Not liking fascists is something we all should agree on.The only antifa I have talked with in depth were in Berkeley and they were all hard core socialist. To date I have not met a single one that was an anarchist.
Anyone with a brain does, however, if you engage in acts of violence against people who are having a rally, and those people happen to have a philosophy that you don't approve of, you are engaging in fascist behavior. This is the USA and the ONLY language that is protected by the COTUS is hate speech. Lovey dovey speech doesn't need to be protected, but hate speech does. This country was founded on the principle that if you are a moron, and you want to tell the world just how big a moron you are, you have that Right. No one has the Right to shut them up.
Stop normalizing and protecting white supremacists. That allows them to think they are mainstream.
Yeah? So? That is what the First Amendment was written for. To protect imbeciles like that. I am not the one protecting them, the FIRST AMENDMENT is. If you don't like living in a country where people are encouraged to speak their minds then I suggest this isn't the country for you to live in.
Furthermore, fascist, socialist, and communist are all the same. They are all collectivist idealogies that advocate for a strong central government, and no power in the hands of the people.
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
W@
Furthermore, fascist, socialist, and communist are all the same. They are all collectivist idealogies that advocate for a strong central government, and no power in the hands of the people.
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
I disagree, I think Anarchists are Centrists, and can only be Centrists for the most part.
That in order to assert a stronger class, or racial hierarchy (Right Wing ideals), or a stronger equality of class (Left Wing ideals) only can be created artificially by Government.
That Anarchy would lead to Centrist beliefs because it would lead to some Class inequality, but also a lot of Socially Liberal ideals. (Making them Centrists overall)
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
W@
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
I disagree, I think Anarchists are Centrists, and can only be Centrists for the most part.
That in order to assert a stronger class, or racial hierarchy (Right Wing ideals), or a stronger equality of class (Left Wing ideals) only can be created artificially by Government.
That Anarchy would lead to Centrist beliefs because it would lead to some Class inequality, but also a lot of Socially Liberal ideals. (Making them Centrists overall)
Disagree all you like, but there can be only two government types. No government, and total government. That is called logic 101. The centrists are midway between anarchy and totalitarianism. Once again that is logic 101.
. 693, 721[5][6][7][8][9][page needed] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11]or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14]
Furthermore, fascist, socialist, and communist are all the same. They are all collectivist idealogies that advocate for a strong central government, and no power in the hands of the people.You came here accusing me of being a fascist without knowing the difference between fascist and anti-fascist, so let me help you out.
characteristics of fascism
pro dictatorship and anti-democracy
pro military, pro police
pro imperialist foreign policy
pro state, nationalist, xenophobic
pro toxic masculinity
racist, anti-semitic
characteristics of anti-fascism
pro peaceful foreign policy
pro community, pro worker rights
pro feminist and anti-racist
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
Furthermore, fascist, socialist, and communist are all the same. They are all collectivist idealogies that advocate for a strong central government, and no power in the hands of the people.
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
The term Left-Wing terms come from Europe.... They seem to be not well understood in the U.S.A... Because our school systems don't focus much, if at all on them... If they do it's too late.
I don't deny that yes Nazis did have some Left Wing workers rights of Socialism.
However, everything else about Nazis was Far Right having an extreme support of Hierarchy, and extreme focus on Traditions, (Social Conservative values)
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
The term Left-Wing terms come from Europe.... They seem to be not well understood in the U.S.A... Because our school systems don't focus much, if at all on them... If they do it's too late.
I don't deny that yes Nazis did have some Left Wing workers rights of Socialism.
However, everything else about Nazis was Far Right having an extreme support of Hierarchy, and extreme focus on Traditions, (Social Conservative values)
Aaaaaaand the Soviet Union under Stalin was what exactly?
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
The term Left-Wing terms come from Europe.... They seem to be not well understood in the U.S.A... Because our school systems don't focus much, if at all on them... If they do it's too late.
I don't deny that yes Nazis did have some Left Wing workers rights of Socialism.
However, everything else about Nazis was Far Right having an extreme support of Hierarchy, and extreme focus on Traditions, (Social Conservative values)
Aaaaaaand the Soviet Union under Stalin was what exactly?
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
W@
Not really, there's actually far more similarities between Republicans, and Democrats than between the groups you're describing.
It turns out most modern Republicans, and Democrats are probably actually Liberals by definition....
Liberalism - Wikipedia
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.
Wrong. There are only two governmental types. Collectivist and individualist. Totalitarian dictatorship is the ultimate form of collectivist government, and absolute anarchy is the ultimate form of individualist non government. Fascism, socialism, and communism are all fundamentally collectivist. Thus they are all left wing.
Wrong, Fascists are usually very Socially Conservative, and for Hierarchy, and Tradition. therefor they are moslty Right-Wing.
Economically Liberalism actually means Free Markets.
Most Americans are very, very Liberal.... Individualists are the true Liberals.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
Economic liberalism - Wikipedia
Economic liberalism is an economic system organized on individual lines, which means the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals or households than by collective institutions or organizations.[1] It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, such as freedom of movement, but its basis is on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Economic liberalism is most often associated with support for free markets and private ownership of capital assets. Historically, economic liberalism arose in response to mercantilism and feudalism. Today, economic liberalism is also considered opposed to non-capitalist economic orders, such as socialism and planned economies.[2] It also contrasts with protectionism because of its support for free trade and open markets.
An economy that is managed according to these precepts may be described as a liberal economy.
That's Fabian Socialist propaganda. Collectivist/Anarchy. Those are the two extremes dude.
I disagree, I think Anarchists are Centrists, and can only be Centrists for the most part.
That in order to assert a stronger class, or racial hierarchy (Right Wing ideals), or a stronger equality of class (Left Wing ideals) only can be created artificially by Government.
That Anarchy would lead to Centrist beliefs because it would lead to some Class inequality, but also a lot of Socially Liberal ideals. (Making them Centrists overall)
Disagree all you like, but there can be only two government types. No government, and total government. That is called logic 101. The centrists are midway between anarchy and totalitarianism. Once again that is logic 101.
