And now, ladies and gentlemen, your new, bigger, 2016 ObamaCare penalties

[Stephanie]

oh well, thank Obama and that Progressive party you support and vote for. Remember how you had to pass it to see what's in it? now pay up.

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By Dan Calabrese -- Bio and Archives January 1, 2016
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That “affordable” health care the Democrats gave us in 2010 - on a reconciliation vote when none of them had read the entire 2,000-plus-page bill - sure keeps getting harder to afford. Of course, since ObamaCare is an unconstitutional mandate on individuals to purchase a product offered by private companies, it’s also quite difficult to afford not buying it - even though the product itself continues to devolve further into craptasm.

Welcome to 2016, where the penalty you’ll face for not buying a product that’s now a bigger ripoff than ever
will explode as follows:

Households that opt to go without health insurance in 2016 are set to get hit with an average Obamacare fine of $969.

That is 47 percent higher than the average $661 penalty per uninsured household for this year, a new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation revealed Wednesday.

And households without insurance that earn too much to qualify for financial aid to buy Obamacare plans will pay an even larger fine for 2016 — an average of $1,450, versus the average of $1,177 for 2015.

Uninsured households that would qualify for Obamacare subsidies to help pay for coverage face an average fine of $738 — nearly double the $389 average for this year.

Of course, if it’s more expensive than ever not to buy insurance, it’s also more difficult than ever to buy it. ObamaCare exhanges are collapsing across the country, and more than 2 million people aren’t paying their subsidized premiums. You can expect that number to grow as ObamaCare premiums continue to skyrocket. Oh, and by the way, if you do go ahead and buy an ObamaCare policy, it doesn’t cover nearly as much as your old policy.

So the product is more expensive than ever, harder to buy than ever, and offers less value than ever. Why would anyone buy it? Oh. Right. The penalty. First the government takes over health insurance and ruins it, then tries to force you to buy it anyway by taking your money from you anyway if you don’t.

These are the fruits of the Democrats’ long-sought “health care reform,” which they finally managed to pass because for a brief moment in time they had a filibuster-proof Senate majority of 60 - all because 52 percent of you got sick and tired of the Iraq War and thought it would be cool to elect the first black president.

ALL of it here:
And now, ladies and gentlemen, your new, bigger, 2016 ObamaCare penalties

 

[saveliberty]

The penalty is still a better deal. Any major medical condition for the low to middle class person will result in being added to Medicaid, which will pay for everything. There is no policy that costs only $1,000 per year for a family that would pay you a nickel.

 

[Arianrhod]

The penalty is still a better deal. Any major medical condition for the low to middle class person will result in being added to Medicaid, which will pay for everything. There is no policy that costs only $1,000 per year for a family that would pay you a nickel.

Just guarantee that you don't get into an accident or develop a serious illness. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But but but but but ObamaCare is the best! 47 Million Illegals are now insured!!

 

[Arianrhod]

But but but but but ObamaCare is the best! 47 Million Illegals are now insured!!

Prove it.

 

[saveliberty]

The penalty is still a better deal. Any major medical condition for the low to middle class person will result in being added to Medicaid, which will pay for everything. There is no policy that costs only $1,000 per year for a family that would pay you a nickel.

Just guarantee that you don't get into an accident or develop a serious illness. What could possibly go wrong?

You do not read well. My post assumes you have a need.

 

[Arianrhod]

The penalty is still a better deal. Any major medical condition for the low to middle class person will result in being added to Medicaid, which will pay for everything. There is no policy that costs only $1,000 per year for a family that would pay you a nickel.

Just guarantee that you don't get into an accident or develop a serious illness. What could possibly go wrong?

You do not read well. My post assumes you have a need.

But does not address the people who assume they don't have a need.

 

[saveliberty]

The penalty is still a better deal. Any major medical condition for the low to middle class person will result in being added to Medicaid, which will pay for everything. There is no policy that costs only $1,000 per year for a family that would pay you a nickel.

Just guarantee that you don't get into an accident or develop a serious illness. What could possibly go wrong?

You do not read well. My post assumes you have a need.

But does not address the people who assume they don't have a need.

None of our business.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Simply structure your taxes right and they can't collect.

 

[Arianrhod]

The penalty is still a better deal. Any major medical condition for the low to middle class person will result in being added to Medicaid, which will pay for everything. There is no policy that costs only $1,000 per year for a family that would pay you a nickel.

Just guarantee that you don't get into an accident or develop a serious illness. What could possibly go wrong?

You do not read well. My post assumes you have a need.

But does not address the people who assume they don't have a need.

None of our business.

But y'all feel compelled to start threads about them anyway.

 

[dblack]

I'm less worried about the immediate fines, which are still trifling compared with the cost of insurance, than I am about how things will develop when people start gaming the system in earnest. They initially soft-pedaled auto insurance mandates in the same way, but once most people have acquiesced, they demand harsher penalties for those who don't.

These days, in most states, a driver will lose their license if they refuse to buy insurance, and will go to jail if they persist in driving anyway. Once the dust settles, and people accept the mandate as a 'fact of life', how will we deal with people who refuse to give an insurance company their pound of flesh?

 

[Arianrhod]

^But as the gunlubbers love to say, a car is not a right. They'll even go so far as to say it's not a necessity (as opposed to guns, of course).

Medical treatment when needed, however, is a necessity. Especially with all these people waving guns around.

You don't have a license to live. What do you imagine would be revoked?

Also, car insurance is mandated state by state. The PPACA is national. That's another difference.

If you don't have insurance and you don't pay the penalty, it's equivalent to cheating on your federal income tax.

 

[dblack]

^But as the gunlubbers love to say, a car is not a right. They'll even go so far as to say it's not a necessity (as opposed to guns, of course).

Medical treatment when needed, however, is a necessity. Especially with all these people waving guns around.

You don't have a license to live. What do you imagine would be revoked?

Also, car insurance is mandated state by state. The PPACA is national. That's another difference.

If you don't have insurance and you don't pay the penalty, it's equivalent to cheating on your federal income tax.

All of these seem like ways that it's even worse than auto liability insurance mandates.

 

[Arianrhod]

^But as the gunlubbers love to say, a car is not a right. They'll even go so far as to say it's not a necessity (as opposed to guns, of course).

Medical treatment when needed, however, is a necessity. Especially with all these people waving guns around.

You don't have a license to live. What do you imagine would be revoked?

Also, car insurance is mandated state by state. The PPACA is national. That's another difference.

If you don't have insurance and you don't pay the penalty, it's equivalent to cheating on your federal income tax.

All of these seem like ways that it's even worse than auto liability insurance mandates.

To someone who'd rather pay a penalty and get nothing than pay for health insurance, much may seem to be what it is not.

 

[dblack]

^But as the gunlubbers love to say, a car is not a right. They'll even go so far as to say it's not a necessity (as opposed to guns, of course).

Medical treatment when needed, however, is a necessity. Especially with all these people waving guns around.

You don't have a license to live. What do you imagine would be revoked?

Also, car insurance is mandated state by state. The PPACA is national. That's another difference.

If you don't have insurance and you don't pay the penalty, it's equivalent to cheating on your federal income tax.

All of these seem like ways that it's even worse than auto liability insurance mandates.

To someone who'd rather pay a penalty and get nothing than pay for health insurance, much may seem to be what it is not.

You'd get plenty. You still get guaranteed issue. Simply pay the cheaper penalties until you get sick, then sign up.

 

[Arianrhod]

^But as the gunlubbers love to say, a car is not a right. They'll even go so far as to say it's not a necessity (as opposed to guns, of course).

Medical treatment when needed, however, is a necessity. Especially with all these people waving guns around.

You don't have a license to live. What do you imagine would be revoked?

Also, car insurance is mandated state by state. The PPACA is national. That's another difference.

If you don't have insurance and you don't pay the penalty, it's equivalent to cheating on your federal income tax.

All of these seem like ways that it's even worse than auto liability insurance mandates.

To someone who'd rather pay a penalty and get nothing than pay for health insurance, much may seem to be what it is not.

You'd get plenty. You still get guaranteed issue. Simply pay the cheaper penalties until you get sick, then sign up.

Game the system, you mean. You may find it doesn't work that way.

 

[dblack]

^But as the gunlubbers love to say, a car is not a right. They'll even go so far as to say it's not a necessity (as opposed to guns, of course).

Medical treatment when needed, however, is a necessity. Especially with all these people waving guns around.

You don't have a license to live. What do you imagine would be revoked?

Also, car insurance is mandated state by state. The PPACA is national. That's another difference.

If you don't have insurance and you don't pay the penalty, it's equivalent to cheating on your federal income tax.

All of these seem like ways that it's even worse than auto liability insurance mandates.

To someone who'd rather pay a penalty and get nothing than pay for health insurance, much may seem to be what it is not.

You'd get plenty. You still get guaranteed issue. Simply pay the cheaper penalties until you get sick, then sign up.

Game the system, you mean. You may find it doesn't work that way.

It'll work for a while. They'll start cracking down on it eventually. When they do, today's fines will be a joke in comparison.

 

[Arianrhod]

^But as the gunlubbers love to say, a car is not a right. They'll even go so far as to say it's not a necessity (as opposed to guns, of course).

Medical treatment when needed, however, is a necessity. Especially with all these people waving guns around.

You don't have a license to live. What do you imagine would be revoked?

Also, car insurance is mandated state by state. The PPACA is national. That's another difference.

If you don't have insurance and you don't pay the penalty, it's equivalent to cheating on your federal income tax.

All of these seem like ways that it's even worse than auto liability insurance mandates.

To someone who'd rather pay a penalty and get nothing than pay for health insurance, much may seem to be what it is not.

You'd get plenty. You still get guaranteed issue. Simply pay the cheaper penalties until you get sick, then sign up.

Game the system, you mean. You may find it doesn't work that way.

It'll work for a while. They'll start cracking down on it eventually. When they do, today's fines will be a joke in comparison.

I meant your "plan" to wait until you get sick and then apply for insurance.

 

[dblack]

All of these seem like ways that it's even worse than auto liability insurance mandates.

To someone who'd rather pay a penalty and get nothing than pay for health insurance, much may seem to be what it is not.

You'd get plenty. You still get guaranteed issue. Simply pay the cheaper penalties until you get sick, then sign up.

Game the system, you mean. You may find it doesn't work that way.

It'll work for a while. They'll start cracking down on it eventually. When they do, today's fines will be a joke in comparison.

I meant your "plan" to wait until you get sick and then apply for insurance.

I know. Gaming the system is a perfectly rational response to an irrational system.

 

[Arianrhod]

To someone who'd rather pay a penalty and get nothing than pay for health insurance, much may seem to be what it is not.

You'd get plenty. You still get guaranteed issue. Simply pay the cheaper penalties until you get sick, then sign up.

Game the system, you mean. You may find it doesn't work that way.

It'll work for a while. They'll start cracking down on it eventually. When they do, today's fines will be a joke in comparison.

I meant your "plan" to wait until you get sick and then apply for insurance.

I know. Gaming the system is a perfectly rational response to an irrational system.

Not the point. Clearly you still don't understand how health insurance works.