An objective measure of how fast you are going to hell.

Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
This is silly. The Bible tells us who is going to Hell and who is going to Heaven. It has nothing to do with energy. It's all about repentance and obedience.
 
Exactly. You are the one who chooses to be cut loose.
No, I'm choosing to stay next to god, he lets me do what I want. He's cool like that, giving me free will and all.
Shup. I'm golfing.
Your concession is duly noted.
OK. I'm done. Shot a 91.

What are you yammering about now?

Yes. 100%. God is cool and you are free to chose.
Not bad for 9 holes. You going to do the other 9 as well? :biggrin:
Better. I shot a zero on the backside.
 
I agree. I'm not that smart.

Why does it matter to you?
Just curious. Do you know?
Yes, it is a Catholic belief. It is in the catechism.
So why do you think that god would let anyone be separated from it?
Free will?

It's our choice.
Naw, it’s a lie, god has no reason to cut us loose. He’s like a bro, he supports what you choose.
Since people were created as an individual beings they get to go after their own heart's desire. Thus if one chooses to turn their back on God they are allowed to do so and when they do they subject themselves to their own choices. Why would the spirit created in the image of God desire to go into the slimy places of the world to be subjected to it if that is what someone chooses of their own accord?

Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
You first have to prove there is a hell before you can "objectively" predict how fast you will get there
hell manifest in all sorts of ways in the world. surely you have eyes enough to see those even if you can't see the spiritual portions.
 
Just curious. Do you know?
Yes, it is a Catholic belief. It is in the catechism.
So why do you think that god would let anyone be separated from it?
Free will?

It's our choice.
Naw, it’s a lie, god has no reason to cut us loose. He’s like a bro, he supports what you choose.
Since people were created as an individual beings they get to go after their own heart's desire. Thus if one chooses to turn their back on God they are allowed to do so and when they do they subject themselves to their own choices. Why would the spirit created in the image of God desire to go into the slimy places of the world to be subjected to it if that is what someone chooses of their own accord?

Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
You first have to prove there is a hell before you can "objectively" predict how fast you will get there
hell manifest in all sorts of ways in the world. surely you have eyes enough to see those even if you can't see the spiritual portions.
What about someone like me, I haven't turned my back on god, I simply see no proof whatsoever for a god like you describe.
 
Yes, it is a Catholic belief. It is in the catechism.
So why do you think that god would let anyone be separated from it?
Free will?

It's our choice.
Naw, it’s a lie, god has no reason to cut us loose. He’s like a bro, he supports what you choose.
Since people were created as an individual beings they get to go after their own heart's desire. Thus if one chooses to turn their back on God they are allowed to do so and when they do they subject themselves to their own choices. Why would the spirit created in the image of God desire to go into the slimy places of the world to be subjected to it if that is what someone chooses of their own accord?

Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
You first have to prove there is a hell before you can "objectively" predict how fast you will get there
hell manifest in all sorts of ways in the world. surely you have eyes enough to see those even if you can't see the spiritual portions.
What about someone like me, I haven't turned my back on god, I simply see no proof whatsoever for a god like you describe.
Then you are simply still asleep in the dust of the earth. Surely you know right from wrong. Choose that which is good and have hope that one day a piece of faith will find its way into your heart and mind. If you go into a place already knowing that there is danger within then you also make that choice knowing it is there.
 
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Just curious. Do you know?
Yes, it is a Catholic belief. It is in the catechism.
So why do you think that god would let anyone be separated from it?
Free will?

It's our choice.
Naw, it’s a lie, god has no reason to cut us loose. He’s like a bro, he supports what you choose.
Since people were created as an individual beings they get to go after their own heart's desire. Thus if one chooses to turn their back on God they are allowed to do so and when they do they subject themselves to their own choices. Why would the spirit created in the image of God desire to go into the slimy places of the world to be subjected to it if that is what someone chooses of their own accord?

Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
You first have to prove there is a hell before you can "objectively" predict how fast you will get there
hell manifest in all sorts of ways in the world. surely you have eyes enough to see those even if you can't see the spiritual portions.

No all I see manifested in the world are situations that are the direct cause of human action.
 
Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
dogs are active and have feelings...they are very social
dogs go out of their way to do stuff when they have no need

there is no heaven or hell....it is made up and we are BRAINWASHED to believe in it from a very young age

from a very young age, if you were taught a giant rope was heaven, you would believe that
 
Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
dogs are active and have feelings...they are very social
dogs go out of their way to do stuff when they have no need

there is no heaven or hell....it is made up and we are BRAINWASHED to believe in it from a very young age

from a very young age, if you were taught a giant rope was heaven, you would believe that

This may be true, but it is also a fact that those people who think that they are in 100 % control of their destiny turn out to be wrong usually.

And once you admit that your destiny is controlled by forces that you can't see, you open up the question of Heaven and hell.
 
Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
This is silly. The Bible tells us who is going to Hell and who is going to Heaven. It has nothing to do with energy. It's all about repentance and obedience.

Repentance and obedience themselves, like every other behavior, are a flow of energy, it needs generating and consuming.
 
In America, whether or not you go to hell, how fast you go to hell and how deep you go into hell is wholly dependent on your level of support for the jackass Democratic party of slavery.

For example, if you've only voted Democrat a few times when you were young simply because you were ignorant of the human rights atrocities committed by Democrat leaders, but then you made some trips to the library to educate yourself and never voted for a Democrat again, you could probably avoid hell and maybe even go to heaven.

If you supported the Democratic party, but never educated yourself regarding Democrats enslaving and murdering innocent people, you were simply ignorant of Democratic party evil deeds, then it's possible that you will not go directly to hell, you might spend eternity in purgatory.

If you were well educated regarding the Democratic jackass party of slavery and fought to keep Democrats out of office, you are likely going to heaven.
 
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Many of us want to go to haven. But many of us better be realistic and consider hell. This begs the question, who and what goes to hell and how fast.

It is apparent, that this question is about energy. And the further you are from the average state of your kind, the more energy you have. So you move faster. So you get to hell faster.

Why don't objects, plants and animals go to hell then? After all, they have a variance of energy in their populations too? They don't go to hell, because they are passive reactors to the stimulus of their environment, so they don't exert energy.

The only thing that can exert energy is humans, because only humans can go out of their way to do something. All other creatures only search to satisfy their needs, they don't go beyond that.

Hence the bible is right in the Gospel of John, that everything on earth, all animals, plants, and even rocks have received and understood the Word of God.

People are different, in that people are active. Mentally. That way they can go out of their way to do something even if they have no need for it.

So, how far are you from the average of your kind? See you in hell soon?
Discuss.
Hell is being eternally separated from God.


Not what the Bible says unless God decide to cancel all that fire and brimstone.
Which verse would that be?


King James Bible Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I suspect being left alone all to yourself for all of eternity would feel like that.
 
If you’re on the highway to Hell, you’re going 55mph.
 

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