An End To Islam!

[irosie91]

Here, from one who knows whereof she speaks....Ayaan Hirsi Ali


1. “The assumption is that, in Islam, there are a few rotten apples, not the entire basket,” Ali tells The New York Post. “I’m saying it’s the entire basket.”

2. She believed that, according to Islam, the infidel should die, that the Koran is infallible, that those who violated sharia law — thieves, gays, adulterers — deserved to be stoned to death or beheaded, as they were each Friday in a public gathering place she and her brother called “Chop-Chop Square.”

Today, she is that rare thing: a public intellectual who, despite death threats and charges of bigotry, calls for an end to Islam —

3. ....Ali says there are three kinds of Muslims. There are the violent, the reformers, and what she believes is the largest group — those who want to practice as they see fit and live peaceably but do not challenge the Koran, the Muslim world’s treatment of women and the LGBT community, or terrorist attacks committed in the name of Islam.

4. ...she refuses to label this group as moderate. She believes they have done nothing to deserve it. “I’ve never believed in the word,” Ali says. “It’s totally useless. I think we’re in a time now where we demand answers from Muslims and say, ‘Whose side are you on?’ ”



5. Ali argues for five amendments to the faith. “Only when these five things are recognised as inherently harmful and when they are repudiated and nullified,” she writes, “will a true Muslim reformation have been achieved.”

Those five notions are:

• The infallibility of the Prophet Mohammed and the literal interpretation of the Koran

• The idea that life after death is more important than life on earth

• Sharia law

• Allowing any Muslim to enforce ideas of right and wrong on another

• Jihad, or holy war



6. ...Ali cites a 2013 report by the Pew Research Center on Muslims’ beliefs. It found that in Pakistan, 75 per cent think those who leave Islam should be put to death. In Bangladesh, 43 per cent thought so. In Iraq, 41 per cent.

Those who believe sharia is the infallible word of God: 81 per cent in Pakistan, 65 per cent in Bangladesh and 69 per cent in Iraq.

She also cites a 2007 Pew study that found that among 18- to 29-year-old American Muslims, seven per cent had favourable opinions of al Qaeda,...




Ali thinks the US administration under president Barack Obama has failed.
....— when these people say they are killing in the name of true Islam, Ali says, believe them."
Ex-Muslim author and activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali calls for reform of Islam as we know it

Islam will never be changed because it has been extensively regulated ever since its early stages. I always say "according to the traditional knowledge in Islam" or "according to the saints of Islam". All that I say has been accepted for centuries and centuries. Even a government has its acceptable way of ruling coded and regulated from centuries and centuries ago.

There is nothing in the world except Islam. Even America's constitution is inspired by Islam (freedom of religion is a Muslim concept, it's not Christian). The West turned to science when the church was able to make peace with science, and that is thanks to the influence of Muslim philosophers. Indeed, Chrisitanity has troubles with science but Islam never had any, on the contrary, we find in the Qur'an in the 7th century:

"We are able to put in perfect orders the very tips of his fingers" or "We have made from water every living thing", etc...

There is nothing in the world except Islam, and Islam can only go forward, as shown by the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in this materialistic 21st century world. The goal of Islam is to guide one to reach the honor of becoming a serrvant of God Almighty, and God Almighty is above any form of humanness.

A Hadith

Abd Allah ibn Salam (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him, his family, and companions) said, “O people! Spread the salams, feed others, maintain family ties, and pray at night when others sleep and you will enter Heaven safely.” [Tirmidhi, Hakim]

those idiot Khutbah Jumaat feces flings really impress you

 

[Muslim75]

SAYIT, you said:

"And with that statement you validate everything PC said about Islam ... that it is too rigid and its believers unable to admit that it isn't perfect (nothing and no one is) and that what may have been suitable for Arabs 13 centuries ago is no longer."

Islam was not made for Arabs 14 centuries ago. It was made for the 10th, the 20th, the 30th, the 40th centuries if any, for all times, including the Arab Muslims of the 7th century. Don't bury your girls alive is not only for the 7th century. Don't drink anything that intoxicates is not only for the 7th century. It is for all ages.

You said:

"Dude, you must bath in Islamic kool-aid.
So when, exactly, will Muslims be putting the concept into practice? Islamists in the Mideast expose their vicious "Allahu Akbar" nature every day.
Mideast Muslims are the most religiously insecure cultists on the planet, proven by their need to destroy that which preceeded them and to threaten anyone who would dare leave the "faith" with DEATH. There's your "freedom of religion" at work."

Al Qaeda has indeed hurt you if you think as they would want you to, that they are Islam. These are a people who think very highly of Islam, though not willing themselves to be highly noble ones. When they make you believe that they are Islam, they have hurt you. Umar (may God be well pleased with it) conquered Jerusalem but refused to pray in the church, even though it was prayer time and it was in the church. He feared people after him will use that as an excuse to attack churches and places of worship of other religions.

Islam has lived to be a religion enabling freedom of religion, for 14 centuries. Who cares in anything about Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram and so on...They lost their minds and it's obvious.

 

[Muslim75]

Politicalchic,

Again, Islam will never be changed. Islam, if you will, comprises a set of "rules". For example, don't hate anyone, don't lie, don't hurt people, don't think of an offense made to you, don't rely on people, don't waste time, work, smile to people, pray to Allah (God) and ask of Him, etc...

This was written down in famous books of famous men of inspired or regular knowledge of the community of Muhammad, centuries and centuries ago. Those men, their trustworthiness and their purity is the basis of Islam. But of course there will always be some who wish to have their own understanding of Islam, as if Islam was theirs, but it's not; it's Muhammad's, peace be upon him and his family.

 

[irosie91]

SAYIT, you said:

Al Qaeda has indeed hurt you if you think as they would want you to, that they are Islam. These are a people who think very highly of Islam, though not willing themselves to be highly noble ones. When they make you believe that they are Islam, they have hurt you. Umar (may God be well pleased with it) conquered Jerusalem but refused to pray in the church, even though it was prayer time and it was in the church. He feared people after him will use that as an excuse to attack churches and places of worship of other religions.

Islam has lived to be a religion enabling freedom of religion, for 14 centuries. Who cares in anything about Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram and so on...They lost their minds and it's obvious.

the disgusting dog UMAR founded the pact which renders non muslims enslaved to the filth of islam and includes the concepts which are now LEGALLY , in Islamic law, EMPLOYED by isis to enslave and abuse yazidi girls and rendered the enslavement and abuse of Sudanese Christians LEGAL in islam----that pig imposed Jizya forced
tribute to the muslim rulers----and even distinctive
insignia for non muslims and all the filth of DHIMMIA. He always sought cooperation from leaders of the "other" communities so he could benefit from the TRIBUTE and ENSLAVED status of the non muslims. I agree that all the rules of dhimmia should be imposed on muslims in the USA-----since muslims LIKE THEM SO MUCH

 

[irosie91]

muslim75 ---if you live in the USA----I am delighted that you wish to see the provisions of the pact of umar----of course adapted to proposition of that the people of islam are to be SUBDUED ----imposed on
yourself and your family and your community----We will let you know about the jizya ----and--of course you will all be completely disarmed and not permited to own automobiles or horses or camels----thanks fo your interest

 

[bodecea]

Gee. I wonder if any other religion believes in the literal interpretation of their scripture? Do some Christians believe that the world was created in six days and mankind was placed on this planet wholly formed like a potted geranium? Could there still be Jews who, in spite of no longer living a nomadic desert life will not risk putting cheese on a hamburger?

The Book of Leviticus still holds some pretty damn repressive laws. Should my beloved Pittsburgh Steelers not play with the skin of a dead pig because that makes them unclean? Should Notre Dame?

Finding the most repressive portions of scripture should be easy for any faith. And yet no one is calling for an end to Christianity or Judaism.

Don't bother. Logic doesn't work with those hell bent in gobbling up war propaganda.

Going to war with 1.6 billion people seems far more sane, profitable, exciting and fun!

Right there.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Politicalchic,

Again,

This was written down in famous books of famous men of inspired or regular knowledge of the community of Muhammad, centuries and centuries ago. Those men, their trustworthiness and their purity is the basis of Islam. But of course there will always be some who wish to have their own understanding of Islam, as if Islam was theirs, but it's not; it's Muhammad's, peace be upon him and his family.

" Islam will never be changed. Islam, if you will, comprises a set of "rules". For example, don't hate anyone, don't lie, don't hurt people, don't think of an offense made to you, don't rely on people, don't waste time, work, smile to people, pray to Allah (God) and ask of Him, etc..."


A pack of lies.

The Q'ran is a manual of warfare.


"Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam"
Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam

 

[Dajjal]

Here is a sample of the Quran inciting people to fight.

2.216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not.

4.74 Let those fight in the cause of God Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

4.76 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

9.29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9.123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that God is with those who fear Him.


48.16 Say to the desert Arabs who lagged behind: "Ye shall be summoned (to fight) against a people given to vehement war: then shall ye fight, or they shall submit. Then if ye show obedience, God will grant you a goodly reward, but if ye turn back as ye did before, He will punish you with a grievous Penalty."

5.33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

 

[Penelope]

"But, but, but.... Christians!"
- Tylocal Braindead Lefty

Islam will never gone entirely, but it DOES look like it's time for The Crusades II followed by Nuremburg II.

There is the little problem of the Islamist at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....

Yes and that is why Mrs Obama has a Jewish rabbi in Chicago who is her cousin. He is no more Muslim than you are, or even if he was, at least he wants negotiation and peace and is not bowing down to Israel. Iran is surrounded by countries with nukes and they can't even get nuclear power, come on get a grip. People like you want war, if the Muslims wanted us dead, we'd be dead.

 

[Penelope]

The upshot is, most of these people only believe that it is moral to attack military or government targets that are a threat to their nations, religion, or cultural interests...

Really? What kind of threat were the kids at that Peshawar school last December? What kind of threat are the Yazidis who are still living under imminent threat of rape and death? What kind of threat are the MILLIONS of Syrians who have been uprooted from their homes and lives for the honor and glory of some loon's Allah? Frankly, you have the right and the luxury of stuffing your head up your camel's ass until your goats come home but all you will get is more brain damage.

*sigh*

Let's not be hyperbolic here. Wow.

The whole point of the thread is the nefarious claim that these incidents are reflective of the whole of all of Muslim society. My contention is that it isn't. We've used PC's own sources to bear out and prove that these aren't.

So then you want to take a few incidents by extremists, take a terrible civil war, exaggerate specious numbers of causalities and refugees, etc. and then use all of this as an excuse for US taxpayers and voters to get involved in conflicts way over on the other side of the planet that has nothing to do with us at all?

By using these incidents and then lashing out at me with abusive ad hominem attacks when I am the one using logic and persuasive language when you yourselves have been brainwashed, terrified and duped by MSM into believing that supporting an interventionist policy into the M.E. is good for America, when in fact, it will do nothing but create MORE radicalized extremists, shows just how little you grasp the very subtle intricacies and fine details of this topic.

Nice.

You have much to learn.....and I am here to save the day!


1.".....founded by a theologian called Ibn Abd al-Wahhab, who lived in a remote area of Najd in desert Arabia—is known as Wahhabi. Its argument is that the root of Arab-Islamic troubles lies in following the ways of the infidel. The Islamic world, it holds, has abandoned the true faith that God gave it through His prophet and His holy book, and the remedy is a return to pure, original Islam. This pure, original Islam is, of course—as is usual in such situations—a new invention with little connection to Islam as it existed in its earlier stages.

In the mid-1920s the local tribal chiefs of the House of Saud—who had been converted since the 18th century to the Wahhabi version of Islam—conquered the holy cities of Mecca and Medina. This was of immense importance, giving them huge prestige and influence in the whole Islamic world. It also gave them control of the pilgrimage, which brings millions of Muslims from the Islamic world together to the same place at the same time every year.

2. The other important thing that happened—also in the mid-20s—was the discovery of oil. With that, this extremist sect found itself not only in possession of Mecca and Medina, but also of wealth beyond the dreams of avarice. As a result, what would otherwise have been a lunatic fringe in a marginal country became a major force in the world of Islam. Now, its influence spreads far beyond the region. When Muslims living in Chicago or Los Angeles or Birmingham or Hamburg want to give their children some grounding in their faith and culture—a very natural, very normal thing—they turn to the traditional resources for such purposes: evening classes, weekend schools, holiday camps and the like.

The problem is that these are now overwhelmingly funded and therefore controlled by the Wahhabis, and the version of Islam that they teach is the Wahhabi version, which has thus become a major force in Muslim immigrant communities."
Freedom and Justice in Islam
Bernard LewisCleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies, Princeton University
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2006&month=09


Wise up, Bealey

And yet we are all friendly with Saudi Arabia.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"But, but, but.... Christians!"
- Tylocal Braindead Lefty

Islam will never gone entirely, but it DOES look like it's time for The Crusades II followed by Nuremburg II.

There is the little problem of the Islamist at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....

Yes and that is why Mrs Obama has a Jewish rabbi in Chicago who is her cousin. He is no more Muslim than you are, or even if he was, at least he wants negotiation and peace and is not bowing down to Israel. Iran is surrounded by countries with nukes and they can't even get nuclear power, come on get a grip. People like you want war, if the Muslims wanted us dead, we'd be dead.

"He is no more Muslim than you are,..."

Please try to use words with precision, as I do....

I said he was Islamist, not Muslim.


Islamism
noun Is·lam·ism \is-ˈlä-ˌmi-zəm, iz-, -ˈla-; ˈiz-lə-\
Definition of ISLAMISM
1
: the faith, doctrine, or cause of Islam
Islamism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[irosie91]

"But, but, but.... Christians!"
- Tylocal Braindead Lefty

Islam will never gone entirely, but it DOES look like it's time for The Crusades II followed by Nuremburg II.

There is the little problem of the Islamist at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....

Yes and that is why Mrs Obama has a Jewish rabbi in Chicago who is her cousin. He is no more Muslim than you are, or even if he was, at least he wants negotiation and peace and is not bowing down to Israel. Iran is surrounded by countries with nukes and they can't even get nuclear power, come on get a grip. People like you want war, if the Muslims wanted us dead, we'd be dead.

Penelope has just revealed the fact that she is an AFFICIONADO OF ISLAMO-MOSQUO PARTY-
LINE (aka---she parrots mosque chat) I have been
hearing the STANDARD -----""if muslims wanted to kill
non muslims there would be no non muslims left in
in the world today""------for the past---almost 50 years.
THE "irrefutable" "PROOF" that muslims like to present
that they are kind loving peaceniks is-----"WE DIDN'T KILL EVERYONE". It is something muslims have to believe
because if they do not they have to reject that ISLAM
ALWAYS WINS thing so vital of Penelope's creed of
absolute TRIUMPHALISM------if islam wanted it----islam
would have gotten it

 

[Penelope]

Gee. I wonder if any other religion believes in the literal interpretation of their scripture? Do some Christians believe that the world was created in six days and mankind was placed on this planet wholly formed like a potted geranium? Could there still be Jews who, in spite of no longer living a nomadic desert life will not risk putting cheese on a hamburger?

The Book of Leviticus still holds some pretty damn repressive laws. Should my beloved Pittsburgh Steelers not play with the skin of a dead pig because that makes them unclean? Should Notre Dame?

Finding the most repressive portions of scripture should be easy for any faith. And yet no one is calling for an end to Christianity or Judaism.

You imbecile.

We're talking about an avalanche and you're comparing it to a snowflake.

The Vatican Inquisitions - the secret trials, torture and mass murder of 68 million people was not a snowflake, Political Chic. Nor were their wars which have spanned time from 70 A.D. through WWI, WWII (another inquisition) and now this is going on - and you can be sure they are behind it all.

No, I would like to see an end to Islam, certainly. But first I'd like to see an end to the "Holy" Roman Empire and its Anti-Christ system. Of course, that won't happen because Revelation 17 clearly identifies the Whore of Rome as the anti-Christ Religious System that will make war against the bible believing Christians and Jews. In the future slaughter 2/3's of the Jews in Israel will perish. They will almost be annihilated next time (again) but Jesus Christ will appear and rescue them when they cry out to him.

As for those in the Roman Catholic Institution? It's time to get out of there and realize those who remain will be in hell.

"But, but, but.... Christians!"
- Tylocal Braindead Lefty

Islam will never gone entirely, but it DOES look like it's time for The Crusades II followed by Nuremburg II.

There is the little problem of the Islamist at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....

Yes and that is why Mrs Obama has a Jewish rabbi in Chicago who is her cousin. He is no more Muslim than you are, or even if he was, at least he wants negotiation and peace and is not bowing down to Israel. Iran is surrounded by countries with nukes and they can't even get nuclear power, come on get a grip. People like you want war, if the Muslims wanted us dead, we'd be dead.

"He is no more Muslim than you are,..."

Please try to use words with precision, as I do....

I said he was Islamist, not Muslim.


Islamism
noun Is·lam·ism \is-ˈlä-ˌmi-zəm, iz-, -ˈla-; ˈiz-lə-\
Definition of ISLAMISM
1
: the faith, doctrine, or cause of Islam
Islamism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I'm afraid you must be in high school or maybe grade school.

 

[irosie91]

Gee. I wonder if any other religion believes in the literal interpretation of their scripture? Do some Christians believe that the world was created in six days and mankind was placed on this planet wholly formed like a potted geranium? Could there still be Jews who, in spite of no longer living a nomadic desert life will not risk putting cheese on a hamburger?

The Book of Leviticus still holds some pretty damn repressive laws. Should my beloved Pittsburgh Steelers not play with the skin of a dead pig because that makes them unclean? Should Notre Dame?

Finding the most repressive portions of scripture should be easy for any faith. And yet no one is calling for an end to Christianity or Judaism.

You imbecile.

We're talking about an avalanche and you're comparing it to a snowflake.

The Vatican Inquisitions - the secret trials, torture and mass murder of 68 million people was not a snowflake, Political Chic. Nor were their wars which have spanned time from 70 A.D. through WWI, WWII (another inquisition) and now this is going on - and you can be sure they are behind it all.

No, I would like to see an end to Islam, certainly. But first I'd like to see an end to the "Holy" Roman Empire and its Anti-Christ system. Of course, that won't happen because Revelation 17 clearly identifies the Whore of Rome as the anti-Christ Religious System that will make war against the bible believing Christians and Jews. In the future slaughter 2/3's of the Jews in Israel will perish. They will almost be annihilated next time (again) but Jesus Christ will appear and rescue them when they cry out to him.

As for those in the Roman Catholic Institution? It's time to get out of there and realize those who remain will be in hell.

"But, but, but.... Christians!"
- Tylocal Braindead Lefty

Islam will never gone entirely, but it DOES look like it's time for The Crusades II followed by Nuremburg II.

There is the little problem of the Islamist at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....

Yes and that is why Mrs Obama has a Jewish rabbi in Chicago who is her cousin. He is no more Muslim than you are, or even if he was, at least he wants negotiation and peace and is not bowing down to Israel. Iran is surrounded by countries with nukes and they can't even get nuclear power, come on get a grip. People like you want war, if the Muslims wanted us dead, we'd be dead.

"He is no more Muslim than you are,..."

Please try to use words with precision, as I do....

I said he was Islamist, not Muslim.


Islamism
noun Is·lam·ism \is-ˈlä-ˌmi-zəm, iz-, -ˈla-; ˈiz-lə-\
Definition of ISLAMISM
1
: the faith, doctrine, or cause of Islam
Islamism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I'm afraid you must be in high school or maybe grade school.

for the record-----adherent jews can use pig skin footballs------he wrote that silly crap about jews avoiding pig skin footballs?-----some people here seem to have not graduated kindergarten

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gee. I wonder if any other religion believes in the literal interpretation of their scripture? Do some Christians believe that the world was created in six days and mankind was placed on this planet wholly formed like a potted geranium? Could there still be Jews who, in spite of no longer living a nomadic desert life will not risk putting cheese on a hamburger?

The Book of Leviticus still holds some pretty damn repressive laws. Should my beloved Pittsburgh Steelers not play with the skin of a dead pig because that makes them unclean? Should Notre Dame?

Finding the most repressive portions of scripture should be easy for any faith. And yet no one is calling for an end to Christianity or Judaism.

You imbecile.

We're talking about an avalanche and you're comparing it to a snowflake.

The Vatican Inquisitions - the secret trials, torture and mass murder of 68 million people was not a snowflake, Political Chic. Nor were their wars which have spanned time from 70 A.D. through WWI, WWII (another inquisition) and now this is going on - and you can be sure they are behind it all.

No, I would like to see an end to Islam, certainly. But first I'd like to see an end to the "Holy" Roman Empire and its Anti-Christ system. Of course, that won't happen because Revelation 17 clearly identifies the Whore of Rome as the anti-Christ Religious System that will make war against the bible believing Christians and Jews. In the future slaughter 2/3's of the Jews in Israel will perish. They will almost be annihilated next time (again) but Jesus Christ will appear and rescue them when they cry out to him.

As for those in the Roman Catholic Institution? It's time to get out of there and realize those who remain will be in hell.

"But, but, but.... Christians!"
- Tylocal Braindead Lefty

Islam will never gone entirely, but it DOES look like it's time for The Crusades II followed by Nuremburg II.

There is the little problem of the Islamist at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....

Yes and that is why Mrs Obama has a Jewish rabbi in Chicago who is her cousin. He is no more Muslim than you are, or even if he was, at least he wants negotiation and peace and is not bowing down to Israel. Iran is surrounded by countries with nukes and they can't even get nuclear power, come on get a grip. People like you want war, if the Muslims wanted us dead, we'd be dead.

"He is no more Muslim than you are,..."

Please try to use words with precision, as I do....

I said he was Islamist, not Muslim.


Islamism
noun Is·lam·ism \is-ˈlä-ˌmi-zəm, iz-, -ˈla-; ˈiz-lə-\
Definition of ISLAMISM
1
: the faith, doctrine, or cause of Islam
Islamism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I'm afraid you must be in high school or maybe grade school.

What?

You're afraid that I exposed you lack of facility with the English language?

Be afraid.

Be very afraid.

 

[irosie91]

I wonder what the fact that Mrs Obama has a cousin who is a rabbi have to do with anything????

 

[G.T.]

Oh word?

Its totally logical to take a copy pasted opinion of someone......

Instead of actual statistics.

Like the fact that they make up like 1/7th of the entire worlds population but somehow theres barely a peep of violence out of their jihad at all, percent wise.

So weird yo.....like...ya knaaaw? Totallayy!!


Pc you ditz

 

[Muslim75]

Politicalchic,

Again,

This was written down in famous books of famous men of inspired or regular knowledge of the community of Muhammad, centuries and centuries ago. Those men, their trustworthiness and their purity is the basis of Islam. But of course there will always be some who wish to have their own understanding of Islam, as if Islam was theirs, but it's not; it's Muhammad's, peace be upon him and his family.

" Islam will never be changed. Islam, if you will, comprises a set of "rules". For example, don't hate anyone, don't lie, don't hurt people, don't think of an offense made to you, don't rely on people, don't waste time, work, smile to people, pray to Allah (God) and ask of Him, etc..."


A pack of lies.

The Q'ran is a manual of warfare.


"Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam"
Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam

You are dreaming and sleepwalking. The Qur'an is a gift from God to Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) and Muhammad was a warrior. It's not as you say, a book of warfare.

 

[irosie91]

Politicalchic,

Again,

This was written down in famous books of famous men of inspired or regular knowledge of the community of Muhammad, centuries and centuries ago. Those men, their trustworthiness and their purity is the basis of Islam. But of course there will always be some who wish to have their own understanding of Islam, as if Islam was theirs, but it's not; it's Muhammad's, peace be upon him and his family.

" Islam will never be changed. Islam, if you will, comprises a set of "rules". For example, don't hate anyone, don't lie, don't hurt people, don't think of an offense made to you, don't rely on people, don't waste time, work, smile to people, pray to Allah (God) and ask of Him, etc..."


A pack of lies.

The Q'ran is a manual of warfare.


"Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam"
Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam

You are dreaming and sleepwalking. The Qur'an is a gift from God to Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) and Muhammad was a warrior. It's not as you say, a book of warfare.

I read that book at age 20-----when I had a very very OPENED mind------in fact my mind approached books
as if my brain was a fresh sheet of white paper----
I sopped them up. My first impression when I leafed
thru was-----"gee-----this books is all about jews"----at age 20 I had not learned much about islam yet. Contrary to the opinion of many muslims-----actually
jews never talk about islam or muslims. I never heard
the word "KORAN" or "MUHUMMAD" mentioned
in synagogue or a discussion on Judaism. I read it-----
(pickthall translalation) I found it utterly lacking
in value. ---From the standpoint of LITERATURE-----
no value at all. ------a mishmash mess of really screwed up versions of biblical history -----mixed
with a PROUD TRIUMPHALIST description of that which is actually barbaric filth-------I was patient-----
having read lots of scriptural writings------I searched
for themes ----meaning-----ZILCH------Beowulf was better

Politicalchic,

Again,

This was written down in famous books of famous men of inspired or regular knowledge of the community of Muhammad, centuries and centuries ago. Those men, their trustworthiness and their purity is the basis of Islam. But of course there will always be some who wish to have their own understanding of Islam, as if Islam was theirs, but it's not; it's Muhammad's, peace be upon him and his family.

" Islam will never be changed. Islam, if you will, comprises a set of "rules". For example, don't hate anyone, don't lie, don't hurt people, don't think of an offense made to you, don't rely on people, don't waste time, work, smile to people, pray to Allah (God) and ask of Him, etc..."


A pack of lies.

The Q'ran is a manual of warfare.


"Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam"
Egyptian President Sisi Calls for Reform of Islam

You are dreaming and sleepwalking. The Qur'an is a gift from God to Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) and Muhammad was a warrior. It's not as you say, a book of warfare.

Shariah law is derived from the Koran-----Shariah is barbaric filth------it legalizes rape of non muslims---and
enslavement of non muslims. ISIS is entirely shariah
adherent. It MANDATES WAR against any people that does not recognize the "SUPREMACY OF ISLAM"

 

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Gee. I wonder if any other religion believes in the literal interpretation of their scripture? Do some Christians believe that the world was created in six days and mankind was placed on this planet wholly formed like a potted geranium? Could there still be Jews who, in spite of no longer living a nomadic desert life will not risk putting cheese on a hamburger?

The Book of Leviticus still holds some pretty damn repressive laws. Should my beloved Pittsburgh Steelers not play with the skin of a dead pig because that makes them unclean? Should Notre Dame?

Finding the most repressive portions of scripture should be easy for any faith. And yet no one is calling for an end to Christianity or Judaism.

^ that

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