Americans. Are you proud of your history?

i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

I am mostly indifferent to it. The past is the past. Today is what it is. American history is actually kind of boring. Not as boring as say Australia's, but certainly not as intriguing as Europe's.
So you disagree with Santayana who said 'those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'?

I believe the term is learn 'from' history. When one judge's history, one has to judge by the knowledge and standards existing at that time in history.
 
i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?
without reading the garbage I'll say for myself it is what it is. It doesn't matter How I wished it was it only matters how it is now and how I can make it better.
 
Not even close. Most Republican voters live on an imaginary planet where Hillary is a convicted Criminal and the rich pay too much in taxes and Trump is a great businessman etc etc.
wonder why you dont think its even close,mmm could it be?......California is a slightly different world then were you are franco....and they seem to set the pace for you lefties....and in California there is a lot bullshit that flows out of Sacramento....
And remember you may think something is full of s***, but we are talking about lies here, lies that the GOP bases everything on. Pure misinformation and hate propaganda.
up above franco you said bullshit,which means just about everything........now you are narrowing it down to just lies....and remember,a lie has to be proven, so just because you might think its a lie,doesnt mean it is.....
when the entire world of Journalism and law enforcement says it's a lie, and only the GOP garbage hate propaganda machine and Trump say it is true, and only GOP dupes believe it, that is known as a lie. That's why I told you I'm defining BS as lies here. All of them on the GOP side, that's all they have.. they believe Hillary Obama Lerner holder are criminals, the rich pay too much in taxes, 47% don't pay any taxes at all,and everything is just fine under this garbage GOP tax rates and policy, though we have the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and anywhere in the modern world, and it just keeps getting worse. Average wages going up means nothing when most of it goes to the 1%.... Not to mention they called the Obama economy horrible when it is no different then the Trump economy, until he finally messes it up.... He got a little bump, only cost a trillion dollars in debt LOL...

If every billionaire and millionaire were removed from the planet, neither you, nor I, would be one iota better off financially. However, hundreds of millions would no longer have jobs, and they would definitely be victims of the loss.

In this country there are millions of pies to be cut up, and the only pies that you, or I, should be concerned with are the ones we prosper from.
I simply want them to be taxed at a fair rate. At the moment, if you count all taxes they pay the same as the middle class and we have no money to invest in America, We are falling slowly apart. You are totally misinformed, jackass dupe. Another GOP disgrace....
 
until you pull that flag out of your ass franco i will think the only facts you know is what they are telling you.....dumbass...
What I am told by the respected world of Journalism and law enforcement? you are correct. If you want to listen to proven GOP pundits / Liars and their dupes, go ahead. Take another couple of years to come up with a democratic lie LOL
franco for a educated man you sure put a lot of faith in a piece of shit political party to not believe they lie just as much as the other party........sorry living in California all the years i have have soured my opinion of your pathetic little party.....
All the problems California has are due to Republican give away to the rich and thus less federal aid, not to mention the fact the GOP has 4 years blocked an ID card which would end your illegal immigration problem. We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
give me a break franco....Californias problems are because of people with your mindset,and like i have told you time and time again....you bring up an id card out there and you will be called a racist....
We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
i bring up California because that state is the state your party thinks is just the greatest...they seem to set the pace for you miserable people....you cant seem to get past that....
Wrong again California boy. It is overpopulated and unicorn country. Whatever is bothering you about California doesn't happen here in New York. I am assuming because you give no evidence for anything that you say. I don't know what the hell you talkin about... I don't give a s*** what people in California think about National policy. Dems have been trying to have a national ID card for years to end illegal immigration and work. F*** California LOL.
if you dont know what im talking about because i give no evidence,even though the shit that goes on in the state is well publicized,...how do i know that what you say about NY is true?.....
 
What I am told by the respected world of Journalism and law enforcement? you are correct. If you want to listen to proven GOP pundits / Liars and their dupes, go ahead. Take another couple of years to come up with a democratic lie LOL
franco for a educated man you sure put a lot of faith in a piece of shit political party to not believe they lie just as much as the other party........sorry living in California all the years i have have soured my opinion of your pathetic little party.....
All the problems California has are due to Republican give away to the rich and thus less federal aid, not to mention the fact the GOP has 4 years blocked an ID card which would end your illegal immigration problem. We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
give me a break franco....Californias problems are because of people with your mindset,and like i have told you time and time again....you bring up an id card out there and you will be called a racist....
We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
i bring up California because that state is the state your party thinks is just the greatest...they seem to set the pace for you miserable people....you cant seem to get past that....
Wrong again California boy. It is overpopulated and unicorn country. Whatever is bothering you about California doesn't happen here in New York. I am assuming because you give no evidence for anything that you say. I don't know what the hell you talkin about... I don't give a s*** what people in California think about National policy. Dems have been trying to have a national ID card for years to end illegal immigration and work. F*** California LOL.
if you dont know what im talking about because i give no evidence,even though the shit that goes on in the state is well publicized,...how do i know that what you say about NY is true?.....
Screw California. LOL. But it does have the strongest economy in the country and a lot of good things going on. Just too many damn people. If you say California to a right-wing dupe, all they can talk about is all the homeless. Because of their great economy and no investment on the national scale. Thanks GOP.
 
franco for a educated man you sure put a lot of faith in a piece of shit political party to not believe they lie just as much as the other party........sorry living in California all the years i have have soured my opinion of your pathetic little party.....
All the problems California has are due to Republican give away to the rich and thus less federal aid, not to mention the fact the GOP has 4 years blocked an ID card which would end your illegal immigration problem. We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
give me a break franco....Californias problems are because of people with your mindset,and like i have told you time and time again....you bring up an id card out there and you will be called a racist....
We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
i bring up California because that state is the state your party thinks is just the greatest...they seem to set the pace for you miserable people....you cant seem to get past that....
Wrong again California boy. It is overpopulated and unicorn country. Whatever is bothering you about California doesn't happen here in New York. I am assuming because you give no evidence for anything that you say. I don't know what the hell you talkin about... I don't give a s*** what people in California think about National policy. Dems have been trying to have a national ID card for years to end illegal immigration and work. F*** California LOL.
if you dont know what im talking about because i give no evidence,even though the shit that goes on in the state is well publicized,...how do i know that what you say about NY is true?.....
Screw California. LOL. But it does have the strongest economy in the country and a lot of good things going on. Just too many damn people. If you say California to a right-wing dupe, all they can talk about is all the homeless. Because of their great economy and no investment on the national scale. Thanks GOP.
California also only gets 80% of its taxes back as investment. GOP and the GOP States suck.
 
franco for a educated man you sure put a lot of faith in a piece of shit political party to not believe they lie just as much as the other party........sorry living in California all the years i have have soured my opinion of your pathetic little party.....
All the problems California has are due to Republican give away to the rich and thus less federal aid, not to mention the fact the GOP has 4 years blocked an ID card which would end your illegal immigration problem. We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
give me a break franco....Californias problems are because of people with your mindset,and like i have told you time and time again....you bring up an id card out there and you will be called a racist....
We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
i bring up California because that state is the state your party thinks is just the greatest...they seem to set the pace for you miserable people....you cant seem to get past that....
Wrong again California boy. It is overpopulated and unicorn country. Whatever is bothering you about California doesn't happen here in New York. I am assuming because you give no evidence for anything that you say. I don't know what the hell you talkin about... I don't give a s*** what people in California think about National policy. Dems have been trying to have a national ID card for years to end illegal immigration and work. F*** California LOL.
if you dont know what im talking about because i give no evidence,even though the shit that goes on in the state is well publicized,...how do i know that what you say about NY is true?.....
Screw California. LOL. But it does have the strongest economy in the country and a lot of good things going on. Just too many damn people. If you say California to a right-wing dupe, all they can talk about is all the homeless. Because of their great economy and no investment on the national scale. Thanks GOP.
yea their problems are all because of republicans....change the channel franco you might learn something...
 
All the problems California has are due to Republican give away to the rich and thus less federal aid, not to mention the fact the GOP has 4 years blocked an ID card which would end your illegal immigration problem. We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
give me a break franco....Californias problems are because of people with your mindset,and like i have told you time and time again....you bring up an id card out there and you will be called a racist....
We are talkin National politics here not California politics. You can't seem to get past that.
i bring up California because that state is the state your party thinks is just the greatest...they seem to set the pace for you miserable people....you cant seem to get past that....
Wrong again California boy. It is overpopulated and unicorn country. Whatever is bothering you about California doesn't happen here in New York. I am assuming because you give no evidence for anything that you say. I don't know what the hell you talkin about... I don't give a s*** what people in California think about National policy. Dems have been trying to have a national ID card for years to end illegal immigration and work. F*** California LOL.
if you dont know what im talking about because i give no evidence,even though the shit that goes on in the state is well publicized,...how do i know that what you say about NY is true?.....
Screw California. LOL. But it does have the strongest economy in the country and a lot of good things going on. Just too many damn people. If you say California to a right-wing dupe, all they can talk about is all the homeless. Because of their great economy and no investment on the national scale. Thanks GOP.
yea their problems are all because of republicans....change the channel franco you might learn something...
I watch everything and I read everything and the GOP propaganda machine is totally full of s***. If you count all taxes the rich pay the same as the middle class percentage wise in in taxes and that means the country goes to hell. Outside the bubble of s*** propaganda, the Obama Administration has not a breath of Scandal. And only amnesty for worthy illegals and an ID card will end immigration problems. Like other intelligent countries without our incredible stupid greedy racist brainwashing GOP...
 
i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?


You are sorely mistaken if you think anyone believes America is perfect with no problems or issues in its history. America is GOOD on balance. We have a Constitution and set of founding values which enable us to correct flaws and wrongs over time. That is far better than the vast majority of countries or societies throughout history.
 
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I am proud that my great great great grandfather stood up to that Yankee filth that tried to invade Florida in 1863.

I am proud that my Grandfather fought in WWI. I am proud that my Father fought in WWII. I am proud that my son fought in the War on Terror.

I am proud that I live in the greatest country in the world. Or at least it was up until that scumbag Obama was elected and tried to destroy it. God bless Trump for working to make this country great again.

I am not proud that there are shitheads in this country that are doing everything they can to turn the US into a socialist shit hole.
 
The Democratic party in the USA has a very sordid history.
When they included southern conservatives... Now the southern conservatives are in your scumbag GOP, super duper.
I see, you are one of those people who has been duped into believing that the Republicans became Democrats and the Democrats became Republicans one day back in the 1960s. You are a feeble-minded brainwashed idiot, party of slavery supporter.
 
i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

Every society today has had its share of good and dark pasts. Obviously, the U.S.A. will historically have a big black eye over its history of slavery and institutionalized racial discrimination for many years after, but on the other hand, we pioneered an economic system which paved the way for technological innovations that resulted in most of the western world and some of the far east having the best standard of living in human history. Middle class people today have more luxuries at their disposal than the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellers did 100 years ago
 
i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

Every society today has had its share of good and dark pasts. Obviously, the U.S.A. will historically have a big black eye over its history of slavery and institutionalized racial discrimination for many years after, but on the other hand,
On the other hand, a new political party was formed by people who were morally outraged by those Democratic party policies. The Republican party. That's something to be proud of.

Another political party was formed in Germany that embraced the policies of the US Democratic party. The NAZI party, who used the laws passed and implemented by the Democrats as a legal precedent for the Nuremberg laws. That's not something to be proud of.

As long as the Democratic party continues to exist and hold any significant power in America, there will always be a sordid evil stain on our country.
 
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The Democratic party in the USA has a very sordid history.
When they included southern conservatives... Now the southern conservatives are in your scumbag GOP, super duper.
I see, you are one of those people who has been duped into believing that the Republicans became Democrats and the Democrats became Republicans one day back in the 1960s. You are a feeble-minded brainwashed idiot, party of slavery supporter.
It took about 25 years, dumbass. So which party had southern conservatives for over a hundred years, and which party has them now? Brainwashed functional morons....
 
The Democratic party in the USA has a very sordid history.
When they included southern conservatives... Now the southern conservatives are in your scumbag GOP, super duper.
I see, you are one of those people who has been duped into believing that the Republicans became Democrats and the Democrats became Republicans one day back in the 1960s. You are a feeble-minded brainwashed idiot, party of slavery supporter.
It took about 25 years, dumbass. So which party had southern conservatives for over a hundred years, and which party has them now? Brainwashed functional morons....
:rolleyes:

That's obvious projection, party of Jim Crow laws supporter.
 
i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

Every society today has had its share of good and dark pasts. Obviously, the U.S.A. will historically have a big black eye over its history of slavery and institutionalized racial discrimination for many years after, but on the other hand,
On the other hand, a new political party was formed by people who were morally outraged by those Democratic party policies. The Republican party. That's something to be proud of.

Another political party was formed in Germany that embraced the policies of the US Democratic party. The NAZI party, who used the laws passed and implemented by the Democrats as a legal precedent for the Nuremberg laws. That's not something to be proud of.

As long as the Democratic party continues to exist and hold any significant power in America, there will always be a sordid evil stain on our country.
Nazis are right-wing totalitarianism and have nothing to do with Democrats, brainwashed functional moron. All this liberal fascism started in 2004 and is a joke everywhere but among you brainwashed fools...
Nazis emulated Democrats, jackass.
 
i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

Every society today has had its share of good and dark pasts. Obviously, the U.S.A. will historically have a big black eye over its history of slavery and institutionalized racial discrimination for many years after, but on the other hand,
On the other hand, a new political party was formed by people who were morally outraged by those Democratic party policies. The Republican party. That's something to be proud of.

Another political party was formed in Germany that embraced the policies of the US Democratic party. The NAZI party, who used the laws passed and implemented by the Democrats as a legal precedent for the Nuremberg laws. That's not something to be proud of.

As long as the Democratic party continues to exist and hold any significant power in America, there will always be a sordid evil stain on our country.
A two party system has worked well for us if for no other reason it helps prevent Authoritarianism
 
i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?




No. History is history. Why be proud of what happened in the past?
 

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