America On The Brink: It Took Trump 8 Days To Bring The U.S. To The Brink Of A Constitutional Crisis

[oreo]

We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't...

Exactly! And Obama and the Dumbocrats decided we would not be a nation of laws. Why were you so silent during the most corrupt administration in U.S. history?

We are a nation of laws, and the laws state that it is the legislative branch of government, aka Congress that is wholly in charge of immigration in this county. PRESIDENTIAL powers do NOT go beyond refugees.
Immigration

Comrade Trump has again usurped the constitutional duties of Congress in this executive order. He does NOT have the authority to ban 7 countries from entering this country.

And what's even more disturbing, is that he DID NOT ban the countries that are actually known for attacking us, and it's because HE has investments in those countries, like Saudi Arabia.
Donald Trump makes millions in Muslim countries

This country does not elect KINGS. The branches of government are: The Judicial (which he just fired) the Legislative & the Executive. Without all 3 of them we are NOT a Democracy anymore. We are Russia.

Comrade Trump is trying dismantle our Democracy.
Opinion | Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy

Child, the DOJ is part of the executive, not judicial. You might want to stick to subjects you have some knowledge of.

The Department of Justice is part of the Judicial branch moron. The U.S attorney General is there to ADVISE the President on his boundaries within the law, to PROTECT and DEFEND the U.S. Constitution. Trump just fired the Judicial branch.

Wrong again dumb ass, the AG is the chief law ENFORCEMENT officer and is part of the executive branch.

The Department of Justice is part of the Judicial branch idiot. Just because TRUMP picks his AG doesn't mean it is now part of his administration. When Trump is gone, the Justice Department will not GO with him, it will remain intact.

 

[Indeependent]

We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't...

Exactly! And Obama and the Dumbocrats decided we would not be a nation of laws. Why were you so silent during the most corrupt administration in U.S. history?

We are a nation of laws, and the laws state that it is the legislative branch of government, aka Congress that is wholly in charge of immigration in this county. PRESIDENTIAL powers do NOT go beyond refugees.
Immigration

Comrade Trump has again usurped the constitutional duties of Congress in this executive order. He does NOT have the authority to ban 7 countries from entering this country.

And what's even more disturbing, is that he DID NOT ban the countries that are actually known for attacking us, and it's because HE has investments in those countries, like Saudi Arabia.
Donald Trump makes millions in Muslim countries

This country does not elect KINGS. The branches of government are: The Judicial (which he just fired) the Legislative & the Executive. Without all 3 of them we are NOT a Democracy anymore. We are Russia.

Comrade Trump is trying dismantle our Democracy.
Opinion | Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy

Child, the DOJ is part of the executive, not judicial. You might want to stick to subjects you have some knowledge of.

The Department of Justice is part of the Judicial branch moron. The U.S attorney General is there to ADVISE the President on his boundaries within the law, to PROTECT and DEFEND the U.S. Constitution. Trump just fired the Judicial branch.

Wrong again dumb ass, the AG is the chief law ENFORCEMENT officer and is part of the executive branch. Reading is fundamental.

United States federal executive departments - Wikipedia

Calling Oreo a dumb ass is redundant.

 

[OKTexas]

Exactly! And Obama and the Dumbocrats decided we would not be a nation of laws. Why were you so silent during the most corrupt administration in U.S. history?

We are a nation of laws, and the laws state that it is the legislative branch of government, aka Congress that is wholly in charge of immigration in this county. PRESIDENTIAL powers do NOT go beyond refugees.
Immigration

Comrade Trump has again usurped the constitutional duties of Congress in this executive order. He does NOT have the authority to ban 7 countries from entering this country.

And what's even more disturbing, is that he DID NOT ban the countries that are actually known for attacking us, and it's because HE has investments in those countries, like Saudi Arabia.
Donald Trump makes millions in Muslim countries

This country does not elect KINGS. The branches of government are: The Judicial (which he just fired) the Legislative & the Executive. Without all 3 of them we are NOT a Democracy anymore. We are Russia.

Comrade Trump is trying dismantle our Democracy.
Opinion | Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy

Child, the DOJ is part of the executive, not judicial. You might want to stick to subjects you have some knowledge of.

The Department of Justice is part of the Judicial branch moron. The U.S attorney General is there to ADVISE the President on his boundaries within the law, to PROTECT and DEFEND the U.S. Constitution. Trump just fired the Judicial branch.

Wrong again dumb ass, the AG is the chief law ENFORCEMENT officer and is part of the executive branch.

The Department of Justice is part of the Judicial branch idiot. Just because TRUMP picks his AG doesn't mean it is now part of his administration. When Trump is gone, the Justice Department will not GO with him, it will remain intact.

Reading is fundamental:

United States federal executive departments - Wikipedia

 

[Avatar4321]

Still can't tell us what this constitutional crisis is eh?

 

[Eloy]

We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't...

Exactly! And Obama and the Dumbocrats decided we would not be a nation of laws. Why were you so silent during the most corrupt administration in U.S. history?

We are a nation of laws, and the laws state that it is the legislative branch of government, aka Congress that is wholly in charge of immigration in this county.

No - we were a nation of laws. You Dumbocrats decided to end that under Obama. All of you thought it was so great to have a fascists dictator in the Oval Office when it was "your guy". Well....you reap what you sow buttercup.

Furthermore - as Commander in Chief - President Trump has full authority over defense. If he deems it a national security risk, he can absolutely prevent people from entering the country per his constitutional powers.

Even the new American president is subject to immigration legislation.

 

[oreo]

We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't...

Exactly! And Obama and the Dumbocrats decided we would not be a nation of laws. Why were you so silent during the most corrupt administration in U.S. history?

We are a nation of laws, and the laws state that it is the legislative branch of government, aka Congress that is wholly in charge of immigration in this county.

No - we were a nation of laws. You Dumbocrats decided to end that under Obama. All of you thought it was so great to have a fascists dictator in the Oval Office when it was "your guy". Well....you reap what you sow buttercup.

Furthermore - as Commander in Chief - President Trump has full authority over defense. If he deems it a national security risk, he can absolutely prevent people from entering the country per his constitutional powers.

Even the new American president is subject to immigration legislation.

Trump acts like he is from Russia, so I don't know why in the hell we can't deport him back there.

 

[P@triot]

The Department of Justice is part of the Judicial branch idiot. Just because TRUMP picks his AG doesn't mean it is now part of his administration. When Trump is gone, the Justice Department will not GO with him, it will remain intact.

"Judicial branch" - holy shit!!!!

What grade are you in oreo?

 

[P@triot]

The Department of Justice is part of the Judicial branch moron. The U.S attorney General is there to ADVISE the President on his boundaries within the law, to PROTECT and DEFEND the U.S. Constitution. Trump just fired the Judicial branch.

Bwahahahahaha! Seriously oreo - what grade are you in?

Why are you here talking politics when you have no clue what you're talking about. The Department of Justice is under the Executive branch you nitwit. It's why the President can't appoint his own Attorney General. It would've taken you all of 10 seconds to Google that.

United States Department of Justice - Wikipedia

 

[P@triot]

I don't give a rats ass about what other Presidents did or did not do.

Isn't that the truth? You celebrated when Barack Obama egregiously violated the U.S. Constitution. Now you're losing your mind when President Trump actually abides by it. Bizarre.

 

[P@triot]

Still can't tell us what this constitutional crisis is eh?

"Constitutional crisis"?!? Hell - oreo can't even tell you what branch the Department of Justice falls under. Apparently he's too dumb to realize that the Judicial branch is for courts - while the Executive branch is for enforcing laws.

Unbelievable...

 

[Oldstyle]

Like when Holder was held in contempt for refusing to turn over documents in the Fast and Furious scandal? That kind of above the law?

But, but, but Holder. You NaziCons have the attention span of a gnat. BTW, Holder was never president.

No, Holder was the President's "creature" and he couldn't have cared less about the law or the Constitution!

 

[Eloy]

The law specifically states that it is the CONGRESS aka the Legislative branch of Government that is WHOLLY in charge of immigration in this country. Presidential powers do not extend BEYOND refugees.
Immigration

So Trump is in violation of the U.S. Constitution by usurping the constitutional authority of CONGRESS. He did NOT have the constitutional authority to issue a ban.

All past Presidents have conferred with the U.S. Attorney general before making decisions like this. Because it is the Attorney General of this country that advises the Presidents on which actions they can take and which ones they can't. Instead, Comrade Trump FIRED her for her refusal to break the law, and she advised all DOJ personal to NOT DEFEND his executive order because it was unlawful.

You have elected a fucking lunatic loose cannon, that doesn't know jack shit, and will not seek the advice from others that do. Trump should be impeached for this. Trump took an oath to protect & defend the U.S. Constitution, and he's already broken that oath.

First it's not a ban and he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him.

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Sucks to be so wrong so often, doesn't it?

See Post # 69 for an explanation of your error.

Wrong, I explained his error.

You wrongly claimed that the Republican Congress gave the power to Trump to write illegal Executive Orders.

I'm really sorry to see you can't grasp what your read, I didn't say a damn thing about the republican congress. The law Trump and at least 5 other presidents used as the legal justification was passed by congress in 1952. I even posted the law for weak minded people like you. It's just a damn shame you lack the education to understand it. Maybe you ask an adult to explain it to ya.

It does not bother me that you are condescending.
You write that you did not say anything about the Republican Congress but you actually did so in the previous post when you wrote about Trump that: "he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him".
So, did Congress give authority to President Trump over immigration, it must be asked.
Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4 of the Constitution covers naturalization of foreigners. Article 1 is about Congressional authority. Because this authority over immigration and naturalization is delegated under Article 1, we know this power is specifically vested in Congress not the Executive. Separation of powers dictates that since the power to establish this Rule rests in Congress, it cannot be exercised by any other branch.

You quoted from 8 U.S. Code §1182 about Inadmissible Aliens which states that the President of the United States has authority to bar immigrants from any country, regardless of race or religion if he believes they represent a threat to the United States and this was passed by Congress in 1952 overriding the veto of President Truman who considered such a Bill as discriminatory and un-American.

If your reference is correct, it looks like the authority over immigration and naturalization was given over by Congress to the Executive where immigrants are considered a threat in the opinion of a president. The 1952 Act, however, has been amended many times and was modified substantially to become the Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965.

Now, Trump's use of the 1965 Act and the criteria he uses for denying entry of Muslims only from specified Muslim-majority states appears to violate other parts of the Constitution because it smacks of religious discrimination (First Amendment) and the Due Process Clause (Fifth Amendment). It is also conflicting with the spirit of the No Religious Test Clause of Article VI. So, all over the place Trump has overstepped the mark and is violating the Constitution he took an oath to defend. It has to be wondered if Donald Trump has ever even read the Constitution.

 

[Eloy]

We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't...

Exactly! And Obama and the Dumbocrats decided we would not be a nation of laws. Why were you so silent during the most corrupt administration in U.S. history?

We are a nation of laws, and the laws state that it is the legislative branch of government, aka Congress that is wholly in charge of immigration in this county.

No - we were a nation of laws. You Dumbocrats decided to end that under Obama. All of you thought it was so great to have a fascists dictator in the Oval Office when it was "your guy". Well....you reap what you sow buttercup.

Furthermore - as Commander in Chief - President Trump has full authority over defense. If he deems it a national security risk, he can absolutely prevent people from entering the country per his constitutional powers.

Even the new American president is subject to immigration legislation.

Trump acts like he is from Russia, so I don't know why in the hell we can't deport him back there.

There is room for only one strong man in Russia and that is not Trump.

 

[keepitreal]

OBAMACARE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

THE BAILOUT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

FUNDING FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

FUNDING ABORTIONS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

NOT ENFORCING LAWS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

A 20 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

ANYTHING THAT WEAKENS OUR COUNTRY
AND STRENGTHENS ANOTHER IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

GOVERNING THE PASSIONS OF THE PEOPLE
IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BITCH!

 

[bripat9643]

Like when Holder was held in contempt for refusing to turn over documents in the Fast and Furious scandal? That kind of above the law?

But, but, but Holder. You NaziCons have the attention span of a gnat. BTW, Holder was never president.

Link to the President ignoring a court order?

Here's a link to Holder blatantly defying a court order...
Eric Holder Is Defying the Law by Resisting Subpoena - USNews

You were cheering him. #Hypocrite

Like when Holder was held in contempt for refusing to turn over documents in the Fast and Furious scandal? That kind of above the law?

But, but, but Holder. You NaziCons have the attention span of a gnat. BTW, Holder was never president.

Link to the President ignoring a court order?

Here's a link to Holder blatantly defying a court order...
Eric Holder Is Defying the Law by Resisting Subpoena - USNews

You were cheering him. #Hypocrite

No, I am not a liberal, I am fiscal conservative Independent. Obama used executive
privilege to stop these fast & furious documents from being released.

BUT

Well we'll see if Comrade Trump releases his income tax returns over this Russian investigation, as the Senate plans to use Subpoenas.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/senate-intel-committee-subpoenas-russian-hacking-investigation/story?
id=44772001

The Comrade has repeatedly stated he would release his returns once the audit was done, but has recently stated NO he's not going to release them, even after the audit is complete.
Trump Will Not Release His Tax Returns, Senior Adviser Says

The point is in my old age, I do not remember any President, where a Federal Court had to step him and slap a sitting President around in the very first week of his term, over a breach of the U.S. Constitution.

"Fiscal conservative" is a euphemism meaning "tax and spend leftwinger."

 

[bripat9643]

We're not at a constitutional crisis.

It took Trump 8 days to make the left have a giant hissy fit. The "crisis" is purely in their heads.

 

[longknife]

“Obedience to specific court orders is what keeps us from being a banana republic or fascist dictatorship. That’s a really big deal.”

It took little more than a week in office for President Donald Trump to thrust the nation to the brink of a constitutional crisis.

Late Friday, Trump issued an executive order forbidding millions of refugees, hundreds of thousands of visitors and 500,000 legal immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries from entering the United States. Over the following 48 hours, massive protests erupted in cities and airports nationwide, courts temporarily blocked major parts of the order, the administration defied the courts and Democrats called for an investigation into the administration’s defiance. As the weekend drew to a close, an anonymous White House official proclaimed the whole episode a “massive success story.”

The federal courts thought otherwise. On Saturday night, a judge in Brooklynordered the Trump administration to stop deporting refugees and visitors immigration authorities had previously cleared to enter the country. Two judges in Massachusetts ordered that travelers who were legally authorized to be in the United States shouldn’t be detained at or deported from Logan International Airportfor a period of seven days. A judge in Seattle halted the deportation of two travelers. And a judge in Virginia issued an order requiring the administration to allow lawyers access to lawful permanent residents — also known as green card holders — whom Customs and Border Protection agents had detained at Dulles International Airport on Trump’s instructions.

When federal judges rule, government officials — up to and including the president — are supposed to obey or risk being held in contempt of court. A government that ignored the courts would be able to violate the law and the Constitution at will. So for more than two centuries, the nation’s courts have had the last word on what’s legal and constitutional — and what is not. “We are and will remain in compliance with judicial orders,” the Department of Homeland Securitysaid in a statement Sunday evening.

But there was little indication that the Trump administration has fully complied with the court orders — or that Trump’s inner circle even believed the administration had to do so.

Disobeying a court order “is a big deal for any government official — federal, state, local, executive, legislative, whatever,” said Abner Greene, a law professor at Fordham University. “Obedience to specific court orders is what keeps us from being a banana republic or fascist dictatorship. That’s a really big deal.”

The chaos “doesn’t just risk a constitutional crisis,” argued Michael Dorf, a professor at Cornell Law School. “Assuming the report is accurate, it creates one.” If the Trump administration believes that the court orders limiting the president’s executive order are unlawful, it can file an emergency appeal, Dorf noted. But “outright defiance,” he added, “can only be deemed disrespect for the rule of law.”

More: It Took Donald Trump 8 Days To Bring The U.S. To The Brink Of A Constitutional Crisis

Trump obviously believes that he is above the law. He must be quickly and clearly shown that he isn't.

Another butthurt Leftard thread

 

[OKTexas]

First it's not a ban and he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him.

View attachment 109731

Sucks to be so wrong so often, doesn't it?

See Post # 69 for an explanation of your error.

Wrong, I explained his error.

You wrongly claimed that the Republican Congress gave the power to Trump to write illegal Executive Orders.

I'm really sorry to see you can't grasp what your read, I didn't say a damn thing about the republican congress. The law Trump and at least 5 other presidents used as the legal justification was passed by congress in 1952. I even posted the law for weak minded people like you. It's just a damn shame you lack the education to understand it. Maybe you ask an adult to explain it to ya.

It does not bother me that you are condescending.
You write that you did not say anything about the Republican Congress but you actually did so in the previous post when you wrote about Trump that: "he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him".
So, did Congress give authority to President Trump over immigration, it must be asked.
Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4 of the Constitution covers naturalization of foreigners. Article 1 is about Congressional authority. Because this authority over immigration and naturalization is delegated under Article 1, we know this power is specifically vested in Congress not the Executive. Separation of powers dictates that since the power to establish this Rule rests in Congress, it cannot be exercised by any other branch.

You quoted from 8 U.S. Code §1182 about Inadmissible Aliens which states that the President of the United States has authority to bar immigrants from any country, regardless of race or religion if he believes they represent a threat to the United States and this was passed by Congress in 1952 overriding the veto of President Truman who considered such a Bill as discriminatory and un-American.

If your reference is correct, it looks like the authority over immigration and naturalization was given over by Congress to the Executive where immigrants are considered a threat in the opinion of a president. The 1952 Act, however, has been amended many times and was modified substantially to become the Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965.

Now, Trump's use of the 1965 Act and the criteria he uses for denying entry of Muslims only from specified Muslim-majority states appears to violate other parts of the Constitution because it smacks of religious discrimination (First Amendment) and the Due Process Clause (Fifth Amendment). It is also conflicting with the spirit of the No Religious Test Clause of Article VI. So, all over the place Trump has overstepped the mark and is violating the Constitution he took an oath to defend. It has to be wondered if Donald Trump has ever even read the Constitution.

Feel free to point where foreign nationals, that are NOT on US soil, are granted rights under our Constitution.

 

[jc456]

We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?

what law didn't he obey?

 

[jc456]

First it's not a ban and he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him.

View attachment 109731

Sucks to be so wrong so often, doesn't it?

See Post # 69 for an explanation of your error.

Wrong, I explained his error.

You wrongly claimed that the Republican Congress gave the power to Trump to write illegal Executive Orders.

I'm really sorry to see you can't grasp what your read, I didn't say a damn thing about the republican congress. The law Trump and at least 5 other presidents used as the legal justification was passed by congress in 1952. I even posted the law for weak minded people like you. It's just a damn shame you lack the education to understand it. Maybe you ask an adult to explain it to ya.

It does not bother me that you are condescending.
You write that you did not say anything about the Republican Congress but you actually did so in the previous post when you wrote about Trump that: "he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him".
So, did Congress give authority to President Trump over immigration, it must be asked.
Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4 of the Constitution covers naturalization of foreigners. Article 1 is about Congressional authority. Because this authority over immigration and naturalization is delegated under Article 1, we know this power is specifically vested in Congress not the Executive. Separation of powers dictates that since the power to establish this Rule rests in Congress, it cannot be exercised by any other branch.

You quoted from 8 U.S. Code §1182 about Inadmissible Aliens which states that the President of the United States has authority to bar immigrants from any country, regardless of race or religion if he believes they represent a threat to the United States and this was passed by Congress in 1952 overriding the veto of President Truman who considered such a Bill as discriminatory and un-American.

If your reference is correct, it looks like the authority over immigration and naturalization was given over by Congress to the Executive where immigrants are considered a threat in the opinion of a president. The 1952 Act, however, has been amended many times and was modified substantially to become the Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965.

Now, Trump's use of the 1965 Act and the criteria he uses for denying entry of Muslims only from specified Muslim-majority states appears to violate other parts of the Constitution because it smacks of religious discrimination (First Amendment) and the Due Process Clause (Fifth Amendment). It is also conflicting with the spirit of the No Religious Test Clause of Article VI. So, all over the place Trump has overstepped the mark and is violating the Constitution he took an oath to defend. It has to be wondered if Donald Trump has ever even read the Constitution.

well yes congress gave the president those rights.

OBTW:

Obama Is Legally Allowed to Enforce—or Not Enforce—the Law

"Obama Is Legally Allowed to Enforce—or Not Enforce—the Law
Ross Douthat misunderstands the separation of powers
By Eric A. Posner
August 3, 2014
Would President Barack Obama, by refusing to enforce the immigration laws against millions of undocumented immigrants, be engaging in “domestic Caesarism,” as Ross Douthat charges? The New York Times columnist thinks that “the granting of temporary legal status” violates the Constitution because Congress has itself refused to issue amnesties or offer a path to citizenship."