America and Europe...

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What is Colonialism??? (RHETORIC) We've heard this many time in the course of these discussions; implying that the immigration is some sort of invasion or colonial exploitation. This is the endless accusation that dates well before Independence.

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration [General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960].

The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

The conflict (Arab-Israeli) is all about the Arab League legacy to the Palestinians in dismantling of the nation-state (Israel) and the replacement of the most successful autonomous government with the most dysfunctional regional government (less Syria).

First: the critical links between development and security. Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. At the same time, we must remove the conditions that feed the problem. Terrorism festers where conflicts are endemic and where human rights, human dignity and human life are not protected and impunity prevails. SOURCE: SG/SM/14764-SC/10883 15 JANUARY 2013

National Self-Determination was the guiding principle illuminated in the 20th Century. Carried to an extreme, absolute --- Self-Determination gives you such states as Somalia, South Sudan/Sudan, Yemen, and Syria (just to mention a few). The basic colonized peoples ought to be able to “self-define” how they are governed. And that lead to a Region border by the Mediterranean to the west, and on an arc from Georgia to Kuwait, from Kuwait to Jeddah, and from Jeddah to the Mediterranean. And in that Region, only Israel is a country considered stable; outside the zone of what is considered either a "Failed State" or a near Failed State.

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Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

They are all responses to Israeli settler colonialism.

(COMMENT)

The claim of colonialism is made purely on the issue of sympathy and to stir the emotions. It is well understood that the pro-Palestinians have redefined the standard for "Colonialism" outside of the normally accepted standard used by Committee 24.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What is Colonialism??? (RHETORIC) We've heard this many time in the course of these discussions; implying that the immigration is some sort of invasion or colonial exploitation. This is the endless accusation that dates well before Independence.

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration [General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960].

The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

The conflict (Arab-Israeli) is all about the Arab League legacy to the Palestinians in dismantling of the nation-state (Israel) and the replacement of the most successful autonomous government with the most dysfunctional regional government (less Syria).

First: the critical links between development and security. Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. At the same time, we must remove the conditions that feed the problem. Terrorism festers where conflicts are endemic and where human rights, human dignity and human life are not protected and impunity prevails. SOURCE: SG/SM/14764-SC/10883 15 JANUARY 2013

National Self-Determination was the guiding principle illuminated in the 20th Century. Carried to an extreme, absolute --- Self-Determination gives you such states as Somalia, South Sudan/Sudan, Yemen, and Syria (just to mention a few). The basic colonized peoples ought to be able to “self-define” how they are governed. And that lead to a Region border by the Mediterranean to the west, and on an arc from Georgia to Kuwait, from Kuwait to Jeddah, and from Jeddah to the Mediterranean. And in that Region, only Israel is a country considered stable; outside the zone of what is considered either a "Failed State" or a near Failed State.

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Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

They are all responses to Israeli settler colonialism.

(COMMENT)

The claim of colonialism is made purely on the issue of sympathy and to stir the emotions. It is well understood that the pro-Palestinians have redefined the standard for "Colonialism" outside of the normally accepted standard used by Committee 24.

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN contradicts itself on this.

 

[Eloy]

Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

They are all responses to Israeli settler colonialism.

Ridiculous. If anything they were all responses to their DNA and Arab/Muslim heritage.

You are mistaken. Palestinian young men have grown-up under the conditions of a brutal Israeli occupation of their land and they are frustrated, seeing no hope for freedom. Who can tell whether they had been kidnapped by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) or "border police" and kept under interrogation about their relatives while unable to have a parent or lawyer present? Perhaps they witnessed their mother being abused at one of the IDF checkpoints or a relative shot dead by an Israeli soldier. Maybe as a child, he was awoken in the middle of the night by IDF personnel ransacking their home and what a violation that would have been. It could be that as a child he had rocks thrown at him by illegal Jewish settlers as he made his way to school while Israeli soldiers looked on and refusal to do anything. You write as though you have no concept of the build-up of frustration over the years and a need to strike back at any opportunity and in a way that will give the Israelis a taste of their own medicine. Indeed, the IDF are the best recruiters of Palestinian radicals.

When he grows up this boy will settle a score.

 

[Indeependent]

Much of the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe has been fueled by their need for oil, especially after the oil embargos of the 70s. Several initiatives were undertaken to draw Europe closer to the Arab world in order to grease the wheels for assuring the continuation of their oil supplies, and European media took on a pro-Arab point of view. After decades of relentlessly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic themes being normalized through the European press, creatures such as the revolting Eloy thing have grown up in a system entirely dominated by Jew hatred.

Also, the Muslim invasion of Europe hasn't helped either. They imported all their hatreds and barbarism with them.

What "invasion"? The Muslim population of Europe comprises 6% of the total population, the overwhelming majority of those are peaceful productive citizens of their various countries. 5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe

This link is from 2010, before the flood of Syrian refugees and the increase of terror attacks, as well as rape incidents. You're so busy hating Jews that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

*sigh* If you factor in the 1.3 million refugees that have arived in Europe and compare it with Europe's 508 million people, you discover that the increase in population is 0.0025%, wow, that's a real invasion...not.

Seems you're so busy hating Muslims that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

Why would anyone hate Muslims?
They invented Jacking...Hi-Jacking.

 

[Indeependent]

Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

They are all responses to Israeli settler colonialism.

Ridiculous. If anything they were all responses to their DNA and Arab/Muslim heritage.

You are mistaken. Palestinian young men have grown-up under the conditions of a brutal Israeli occupation of their land and they are frustrated, seeing no hope for freedom. Who can tell whether they had been kidnapped by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) or "border police" and kept under interrogation about their relatives while unable to have a parent or lawyer present? Perhaps they witnessed their mother being abused at one of the IDF checkpoints or a relative shot dead by an Israeli soldier. Maybe as a child, he was awoken in the middle of the night by IDF personnel ransacking their home and what a violation that would have been. It could be that as a child he had rocks thrown at him by illegal Jewish settlers as he made his way to school while Israeli soldiers looked on and refusal to do anything. You write as though you have no concept of the build-up of frustration over the years and a need to strike back at any opportunity and in a way that will give the Israelis a taste of their own medicine. Indeed, the IDF are the best recruiters of Palestinian radicals.

When he grows up this boy will settle a score.

The IDF is way too talented to allow so many Arabs to multiply so fast.
So you're full of shit..so you're wither way too naïve or a true blue Jew hater.

 

[Roudy]

Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

They are all responses to Israeli settler colonialism.

Ridiculous. If anything they were all responses to their DNA and Arab/Muslim heritage.

You are mistaken. Palestinian young men have grown-up under the conditions of a brutal Israeli occupation of their land and they are frustrated, seeing no hope for freedom. Who can tell whether they had been kidnapped by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) or "border police" and kept under interrogation about their relatives while unable to have a parent or lawyer present? Perhaps they witnessed their mother being abused at one of the IDF checkpoints or a relative shot dead by an Israeli soldier. Maybe as a child, he was awoken in the middle of the night by IDF personnel ransacking their home and what a violation that would have been. It could be that as a child he had rocks thrown at him by illegal Jewish settlers as he made his way to school while Israeli soldiers looked on and refusal to do anything. You write as though you have no concept of the build-up of frustration over the years and a need to strike back at any opportunity and in a way that will give the Israelis a taste of their own medicine. Indeed, the IDF are the best recruiters of Palestinian radicals.

When he grows up this boy will settle a score.

What score is that? He will gently carry other Israelis?

 

[Hollie]

Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

They are all responses to Israeli settler colonialism.

Ridiculous. If anything they were all responses to their DNA and Arab/Muslim heritage.

You are mistaken. Palestinian young men have grown-up under the conditions of a brutal Israeli occupation of their land and they are frustrated, seeing no hope for freedom. Who can tell whether they had been kidnapped by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) or "border police" and kept under interrogation about their relatives while unable to have a parent or lawyer present? Perhaps they witnessed their mother being abused at one of the IDF checkpoints or a relative shot dead by an Israeli soldier. Maybe as a child, he was awoken in the middle of the night by IDF personnel ransacking their home and what a violation that would have been. It could be that as a child he had rocks thrown at him by illegal Jewish settlers as he made his way to school while Israeli soldiers looked on and refusal to do anything. You write as though you have no concept of the build-up of frustration over the years and a need to strike back at any opportunity and in a way that will give the Israelis a taste of their own medicine. Indeed, the IDF are the best recruiters of Palestinian radicals.

When he grows up this boy will settle a score.

brutal Israeli occupation™

 

[Challenger]

Correll, Eloy, Challenger, teddyearp, Moonglow, et al,

Wait one!!!

We are mixing different issues here.

The connecting between the US and the EU, or the US and Central Europe, or the US and the UK (The Five Eyes) has nothing to do with the criminal idiot that claims to by loyal to the DAESH, and who assaulted a gay nightclub in Orlando (≈ 50 people dead and 53 wounded). While some DAESH supporters and Fighters of DAESH have a similar mental deficiency; it really has no logical connection to the political or diplomatic relations the US maintains.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders

Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.

It is incorrect to malign an entire people based on their religion.

I'm sure that is a great comfort to the grieving family of the dead from Orlando.

You lefties are more concerned about being "fair" or "politically correct" than saving the lives of your fellow citizens.

(COMMENT)

Again, this is a confusion that there is only one possible focus that makes (false logic considering the complex issue) sense . What each is attempting to say, is germane in a way; just not with this issue and not necessarily true of false.

There has been, down throw history, key moments in time when the “divine fire” of the universe does gift, to mankind, in some form of enlightenment, a solution to complex problems. Remember that if you use the ethics of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam as some sort of reason value, then you have placed yourself on the slippery slope. Even the God of Abraham (the common Deity in all three forms of worship) use violence as a legitimate form of diplomacy.

• "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them …"
• Make ready to slaughter the infidel’s sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.
• "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
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The Arab-Israeli Conflict does raise some interesting issues and points; philosophically. Are the Customary and international Humanitarian Laws (IHL) a leap beyond that of the Supreme Being (as we understand it).

And there it is... This is not about the culture of the Jewish, the flexible moralism of Christians, or the radical violence of the Muslim. But rather, how far can humanity go before it decides there is no other way but to cut the hands and feet off the opponent for a decisive victory. And this will have an impact on the relations between the US, the EU, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Africa, and the Far East. Like the use, in WWII of the Atomic Bomb, not everyone believes it was morally correct. But make no mistake, it was biblical.

"They were given power over the earth to kill by sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts of the earth."
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There is a silent debate, held in closed circles that whisper, about the benefit of 20th and 21st Century Customary IHL, wherein the only observable outcome has been an extension to limits which does not present the oppoortunity for a decisive victory and encourages the conflict to continue. IHL pressure and political nudging allow for the withdrawal of decisive forces and the extraordinary actions taken by Hostile Arab Palestinians to restore and resupply rockets, mortars and damaged infrastructure to a desired level of combat effectiveness. Each time this cycle occurs, the HAMAS Government does not attend to Rules 23 and 24 initiating action to protect or extract is citizenry. The Arab Palestinians are not operating under the same limitations as the Israeli opponents and are allowed to regenerate.

Most Respectfully,
R

I commend Roudy for his ability to understand this barmy post.

Just another Rambling RoccR post, "...it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" as Shakespeare would say.

 

[Challenger]

The Europeans are cowed by the threat of violence in their cities.

Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.

Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.

It said "men from Pakistani background who may or may not be Muslims"! Ha ha ha ho ho ho. Please keep up with the jokes.

Clearly Rude-ee is far too stupid to know there are millions of Christian and Hindu Pakistanis, hey ho, no surprise there.

 

[Challenger]

Much of the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe has been fueled by their need for oil, especially after the oil embargos of the 70s. Several initiatives were undertaken to draw Europe closer to the Arab world in order to grease the wheels for assuring the continuation of their oil supplies, and European media took on a pro-Arab point of view. After decades of relentlessly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic themes being normalized through the European press, creatures such as the revolting Eloy thing have grown up in a system entirely dominated by Jew hatred.

Also, the Muslim invasion of Europe hasn't helped either. They imported all their hatreds and barbarism with them.

What "invasion"? The Muslim population of Europe comprises 6% of the total population, the overwhelming majority of those are peaceful productive citizens of their various countries. 5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe

This link is from 2010, before the flood of Syrian refugees and the increase of terror attacks, as well as rape incidents. You're so busy hating Jews that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

*sigh* If you factor in the 1.3 million refugees that have arived in Europe and compare it with Europe's 508 million people, you discover that the increase in population is 0.0025%, wow, that's a real invasion...not.

Seems you're so busy hating Muslims that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

Why would anyone hate Muslims?
They invented Jacking...Hi-Jacking.

Nope that was the Americans in 1929, but that was an unconfirmed incident. The first recorded aircraft hijack was in Peru in 1931 and the first fatal aircraft highjacking was by an American in 1939, and of a commercial flight, that was the Chinese in 1948, happy to help.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.

Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.

It said "men from Pakistani background who may or may not be Muslims"! Ha ha ha ho ho ho. Please keep up with the jokes.

Clearly Rude-ee is far too stupid to know there are millions of Christian and Hindu Pakistanis, hey ho, no surprise there.

Wasn't the artificial country of Pakistan carved out of Hindu India, specifically to give the Muslims there a country of their own? And wasn't there subsequently a population exchange between Hindus and Muslims?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Also, the Muslim invasion of Europe hasn't helped either. They imported all their hatreds and barbarism with them.

What "invasion"? The Muslim population of Europe comprises 6% of the total population, the overwhelming majority of those are peaceful productive citizens of their various countries. 5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe

This link is from 2010, before the flood of Syrian refugees and the increase of terror attacks, as well as rape incidents. You're so busy hating Jews that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

*sigh* If you factor in the 1.3 million refugees that have arived in Europe and compare it with Europe's 508 million people, you discover that the increase in population is 0.0025%, wow, that's a real invasion...not.

Seems you're so busy hating Muslims that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

Why would anyone hate Muslims?
They invented Jacking...Hi-Jacking.

Nope that was the Americans in 1929, but that was an unconfirmed incident. The first recorded aircraft hijack was in Peru in 1931 and the first fatal aircraft highjacking was by an American in 1939, and of a commercial flight, that was the Chinese in 1948, happy to help.

Now please provide a link that shows that the vast majority of hijackings in history were not committed by Muslims and/or Arabs.

 

[Penelope]

What in the devil does Judeo-Christian mean? It is a Jew invented construct to make it appear that the people who fundamentally reject the core principle of Christianity are somehow similar in any way to Christians.

Jesus Christ was a Jew.

So was :
Tiberius Julius Alexander (fl. 1st century) was an equestrian governor and general in the Roman Empire. Born into a wealthy Jewish family of Alexandria but abandoning or neglecting the Jewish religion, he rose to become procurator of Judea (c. 46 – 48) under Claudius. While Prefect of Egypt (66 – 69), he employed his legions against the Alexandrian Jews in a brutal response to ethnic violence, and was instrumental in the Emperor Vespasian's rise to power. In 70, he participated in the Siege of Jerusalem as Titus' second-in-command

 

[Penelope]

Europeans are anti-Jew..

They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

Yes even the British, wonder why.

 

[Penelope]

What in the devil does Judeo-Christian mean? It is a Jew invented construct to make it appear that the people who fundamentally reject the core principle of Christianity are somehow similar in any way to Christians.

Well, that would be what an antisemite would tend to say, now wouldn't it?

The term Judeo-Christian groups Judaism and Christianity, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism or due to perceived parallels or commonalities shared between those two religions.

The concept of "Judeo-Christian values" in an ethical (rather than theological or liturgical) sense was used by George Orwellin 1939, and has become part of "American civil religion" since the 1940s.


History of the term
The term is used, as "Judæo Christian", at least as far back as in a letter from Alexander M'Caul dated October 17, 1821.[2]The term in this case referred to Jewish converts to Christianity.[3] The term is used similarly by Joseph Wolff in 1829, referring to a style of church that would keep with some Jewish traditions in order to convert Jews.[4]

The American Christian Conservative right generaly uses the term to make themselves sound more inclusive than they really are and it's also a "code word" for supporting Zionist Israel, which is a core value of Conservative Christian Zionists in the US and elsewhere. The term is politically charged and therefore worthless in any serious discussion, much like this cherry-picked Wikipedia article above.

Zionism and the Jews going back to their ancestral and religious holy land goes back to the founding fathers of this country. In fact they identified with the Jews in this cause.

Roots of the U.S.-Israel Relationship

Jewish Influence in Early America

The mutual admiration between Israel and the United States is hardly a recent phenomenon.

The profound influence of Jewish tradition on America's Founding Fathers can be seen in the Constitution of the United States. Such influence should come as no surprise given John Adams' view expressed in a letter to Thomas Jefferson:

"I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize man than any other nation."

According to Woodrow Wilson, the ancient Jewish nation provided a model for the American colonists:

Recalling the previous experiences of the colonists in applying the Mosaic Code to the order of their internal life, it is not to be wondered at that the various passages in the Bible that serve to undermine royal authority, stripping the Crown of its cloak of divinity, held up before the pioneer Americans the Hebrew Commonwealth as a model government. In the spirit and essence of our Constitution, the influence of the Hebrew Commonwealth was paramount in that it was not only the highest authority for the principle, "that rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God," but also because it was in itself a divine precedent for a pure democracy, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy or any other form of government.

Jews also contributed directly to the American Revolution. President Calvin Coolidge paid tribute to their role in the War of Independence:

"The Jews themselves, of whom a considerable number were already scattered throughout the colonies, were true to the teachings of their prophets. The Jewish faith is predominantly the faith of liberty "

One original design for the official Seal for the United States, submitted by Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams, depicted the Israelites crossing the Red Sea with Pharaoh in pursuit and Mosesstanding on the other side. The motto was to have been: "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." Another seal was chosen, but the Liberty Bell does bear an inscription from the Old Testament:

"And Proclaim Freedom Throughout The Land Unto All the Inhabitants Thereof" (Leviticus25:10).

Although it took some 2,000 years to resurrect Hebrew as a spoken language in early twentieth century Palestine, Hebrew was actually a prerequisite for early American scholars. Many universities even required it in their curriculum. Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787 and, to this day, Yale's insignia bears the Hebrew phrase, Urim V'Thummim (oracle learning).

America's Support for Zionism
American support for the age-old aspirations of the Jewish people to return to their homeland dates from the Colonial period when John Adams wrote: "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation for, as I believe, the most enlightened men of it have participated in the amelioration of the philosophy of the age." John Quincy Adams wrote to Major Mordecai Manuel Noah that he believed in the "rebuilding of Judea as an independent nation."

Not long after the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln met a Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, who expressed hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated "by restoring them to their national home in Palestine." Lincoln said this was "a noble dream and one shared by many Americans." The President said his chiropodist was a Jew who "has so many times ‘put me upon my feet’ that I would have no objection to giving his countrymen ‘a leg up.’"

In 1883, Emma Lazarus, the poet whose words are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, wrote that Palestine should be as "a Home for the Homeless, a Goal for the Wanderer and an Asylum for the persecuted and a nation of the denationalized."

In 1891, pogroms incited by Czar Alexander III provoked an outcry by many prominent Americans, including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Speaker of the House. Rev. William E. Blackstone and Cardinal Gibbons presented a petition signed by those who were concerned about the fate of the Jews in Russia to President Benjamin Harrison and Secretary of State James Blaine. They called for the first international conference "to consider the Israelite claim to Palestine as their ancient home, and to promote in any other just and proper way the alleviation of their suffering condition."

Why not give Palestine back to the Jews again? According to God's distribution of nations, it is their home—an inalienable possession from which they were expelled by force. Under their cultivation was a remarkable fruitful land, sustaining millions of Israelites, who industrially tilled its hillsides and valleys. They were agriculturists and producers...the center of civilization and religion.

We believe this is an appropriate time for all nations, and especially the Christian nations of Europe, to show kindness to Israel...let us now restore to them the land of which they were so cruelly despoiled by our Roman ancestors.

Say thank you to German Universities, British, and American Universities.

I know Jews want us to believe the story of Jesus was a jew so we worship jews, but if
there probably was a walking preacher named Jesus, like your made believe stories of your hero's , we also have Jesus. We need to get over this and start holding Jews accountable for what they do, they are not the special and blessed ones of God. Humans were here before Judea, of which anyone from Judea was called a jew. At least we know Christianity is a religion, and we do not know what Jew is, certainty not a race of people, probably sect of the Canaanites. Its well known of your history, much of your history is taken from Persians and King Cyrus, and also from oral stories handed down to Ezra . Your not more special than any others on the face of the earth, so get over yourself.

Semites include all people of the region, your killing your own kin.

PS: Rome believed Caesars became God, not Jews.

 

[Roudy]

Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.

Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.

It said "men from Pakistani background who may or may not be Muslims"! Ha ha ha ho ho ho. Please keep up with the jokes.

Clearly Rude-ee is far too stupid to know there are millions of Christian and Hindu Pakistanis, hey ho, no surprise there.

You mean the ones the Muslims keep killing eh? Of course we never heard of violence and barbarism by a Christian Pakistani.

 

[Roudy]

What in the devil does Judeo-Christian mean? It is a Jew invented construct to make it appear that the people who fundamentally reject the core principle of Christianity are somehow similar in any way to Christians.

Well, that would be what an antisemite would tend to say, now wouldn't it?

The term Judeo-Christian groups Judaism and Christianity, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism or due to perceived parallels or commonalities shared between those two religions.

The concept of "Judeo-Christian values" in an ethical (rather than theological or liturgical) sense was used by George Orwellin 1939, and has become part of "American civil religion" since the 1940s.


History of the term
The term is used, as "Judæo Christian", at least as far back as in a letter from Alexander M'Caul dated October 17, 1821.[2]The term in this case referred to Jewish converts to Christianity.[3] The term is used similarly by Joseph Wolff in 1829, referring to a style of church that would keep with some Jewish traditions in order to convert Jews.[4]

The American Christian Conservative right generaly uses the term to make themselves sound more inclusive than they really are and it's also a "code word" for supporting Zionist Israel, which is a core value of Conservative Christian Zionists in the US and elsewhere. The term is politically charged and therefore worthless in any serious discussion, much like this cherry-picked Wikipedia article above.

Zionism and the Jews going back to their ancestral and religious holy land goes back to the founding fathers of this country. In fact they identified with the Jews in this cause.

Roots of the U.S.-Israel Relationship

Jewish Influence in Early America

The mutual admiration between Israel and the United States is hardly a recent phenomenon.

The profound influence of Jewish tradition on America's Founding Fathers can be seen in the Constitution of the United States. Such influence should come as no surprise given John Adams' view expressed in a letter to Thomas Jefferson:

"I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize man than any other nation."

According to Woodrow Wilson, the ancient Jewish nation provided a model for the American colonists:

Recalling the previous experiences of the colonists in applying the Mosaic Code to the order of their internal life, it is not to be wondered at that the various passages in the Bible that serve to undermine royal authority, stripping the Crown of its cloak of divinity, held up before the pioneer Americans the Hebrew Commonwealth as a model government. In the spirit and essence of our Constitution, the influence of the Hebrew Commonwealth was paramount in that it was not only the highest authority for the principle, "that rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God," but also because it was in itself a divine precedent for a pure democracy, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy or any other form of government.

Jews also contributed directly to the American Revolution. President Calvin Coolidge paid tribute to their role in the War of Independence:

"The Jews themselves, of whom a considerable number were already scattered throughout the colonies, were true to the teachings of their prophets. The Jewish faith is predominantly the faith of liberty "

One original design for the official Seal for the United States, submitted by Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams, depicted the Israelites crossing the Red Sea with Pharaoh in pursuit and Mosesstanding on the other side. The motto was to have been: "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." Another seal was chosen, but the Liberty Bell does bear an inscription from the Old Testament:

"And Proclaim Freedom Throughout The Land Unto All the Inhabitants Thereof" (Leviticus25:10).

Although it took some 2,000 years to resurrect Hebrew as a spoken language in early twentieth century Palestine, Hebrew was actually a prerequisite for early American scholars. Many universities even required it in their curriculum. Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787 and, to this day, Yale's insignia bears the Hebrew phrase, Urim V'Thummim (oracle learning).

America's Support for Zionism
American support for the age-old aspirations of the Jewish people to return to their homeland dates from the Colonial period when John Adams wrote: "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation for, as I believe, the most enlightened men of it have participated in the amelioration of the philosophy of the age." John Quincy Adams wrote to Major Mordecai Manuel Noah that he believed in the "rebuilding of Judea as an independent nation."

Not long after the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln met a Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, who expressed hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated "by restoring them to their national home in Palestine." Lincoln said this was "a noble dream and one shared by many Americans." The President said his chiropodist was a Jew who "has so many times ‘put me upon my feet’ that I would have no objection to giving his countrymen ‘a leg up.’"

In 1883, Emma Lazarus, the poet whose words are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, wrote that Palestine should be as "a Home for the Homeless, a Goal for the Wanderer and an Asylum for the persecuted and a nation of the denationalized."

In 1891, pogroms incited by Czar Alexander III provoked an outcry by many prominent Americans, including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Speaker of the House. Rev. William E. Blackstone and Cardinal Gibbons presented a petition signed by those who were concerned about the fate of the Jews in Russia to President Benjamin Harrison and Secretary of State James Blaine. They called for the first international conference "to consider the Israelite claim to Palestine as their ancient home, and to promote in any other just and proper way the alleviation of their suffering condition."

Why not give Palestine back to the Jews again? According to God's distribution of nations, it is their home—an inalienable possession from which they were expelled by force. Under their cultivation was a remarkable fruitful land, sustaining millions of Israelites, who industrially tilled its hillsides and valleys. They were agriculturists and producers...the center of civilization and religion.

We believe this is an appropriate time for all nations, and especially the Christian nations of Europe, to show kindness to Israel...let us now restore to them the land of which they were so cruelly despoiled by our Roman ancestors.

Say thank you to German Universities, British, and American Universities.

I know Jews want us to believe the story of Jesus was a jew so we worship jews, but if
there probably was a walking preacher named Jesus, like your made believe stories of your hero's , we also have Jesus. We need to get over this and start holding Jews accountable for what they do, they are not the special and blessed ones of God. Humans were here before Judea, of which anyone from Judea was called a jew. At least we know Christianity is a religion, and we do not know what Jew is, certainty not a race of people, probably sect of the Canaanites. Its well known of your history, much of your history is taken from Persians and King Cyrus, and also from oral stories handed down to Ezra . Your not more special than any others on the face of the earth, so get over yourself.

Semites include all people of the region, your killing your own kin.

PS: Rome believed Caesars became God, not Jews.

Can someone please translate this to a human language?

 

[Roudy]

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.

Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.

It said "men from Pakistani background who may or may not be Muslims"! Ha ha ha ho ho ho. Please keep up with the jokes.

Clearly Rude-ee is far too stupid to know there are millions of Christian and Hindu Pakistanis, hey ho, no surprise there.

Wasn't the artificial country of Pakistan carved out of Hindu India, specifically to give the Muslims there a country of their own? And wasn't there subsequently a population exchange between Hindus and Muslims?

The entire existence of a Pakistan is due to Muslims invading the Indian subcontinent and committing genocide and ethnic cleansing on its inhabitants.

 

[fanger]

What "invasion"? The Muslim population of Europe comprises 6% of the total population, the overwhelming majority of those are peaceful productive citizens of their various countries. 5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe

This link is from 2010, before the flood of Syrian refugees and the increase of terror attacks, as well as rape incidents. You're so busy hating Jews that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

*sigh* If you factor in the 1.3 million refugees that have arived in Europe and compare it with Europe's 508 million people, you discover that the increase in population is 0.0025%, wow, that's a real invasion...not.

Seems you're so busy hating Muslims that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

Why would anyone hate Muslims?
They invented Jacking...Hi-Jacking.

Nope that was the Americans in 1929, but that was an unconfirmed incident. The first recorded aircraft hijack was in Peru in 1931 and the first fatal aircraft highjacking was by an American in 1939, and of a commercial flight, that was the Chinese in 1948, happy to help.

Now please provide a link that shows that the vast majority of hijackings in history were not committed by Muslims and/or Arabs.

Here you Go, It's America List of aircraft hijackings - Wikipedia

 

[Indeependent]

This link is from 2010, before the flood of Syrian refugees and the increase of terror attacks, as well as rape incidents. You're so busy hating Jews that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

*sigh* If you factor in the 1.3 million refugees that have arived in Europe and compare it with Europe's 508 million people, you discover that the increase in population is 0.0025%, wow, that's a real invasion...not.

Seems you're so busy hating Muslims that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

Why would anyone hate Muslims?
They invented Jacking...Hi-Jacking.

Nope that was the Americans in 1929, but that was an unconfirmed incident. The first recorded aircraft hijack was in Peru in 1931 and the first fatal aircraft highjacking was by an American in 1939, and of a commercial flight, that was the Chinese in 1948, happy to help.

Now please provide a link that shows that the vast majority of hijackings in history were not committed by Muslims and/or Arabs.

Here you Go, It's America List of aircraft hijackings - Wikipedia

Because EVERYONE is terrified of Americans.
Sad, Fanger, very sad.