America and Europe...

What in the devil does Judeo-Christian mean? It is a Jew invented construct to make it appear that the people who fundamentally reject the core principle of Christianity are somehow similar in any way to Christians.
Well, that would be what an antisemite would tend to say, now wouldn't it?

The term Judeo-Christian groups Judaism and Christianity, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism or due to perceived parallels or commonalities shared between those two religions.

The concept of "Judeo-Christian values" in an ethical (rather than theological or liturgical) sense was used by George Orwellin 1939, and has become part of "American civil religion" since the 1940s.


History of the term
The term is used, as "Judæo Christian", at least as far back as in a letter from Alexander M'Caul dated October 17, 1821.[2]The term in this case referred to Jewish converts to Christianity.[3] The term is used similarly by Joseph Wolff in 1829, referring to a style of church that would keep with some Jewish traditions in order to convert Jews.[4]

The American Christian Conservative right generaly uses the term to make themselves sound more inclusive than they really are and it's also a "code word" for supporting Zionist Israel, which is a core value of Conservative Christian Zionists in the US and elsewhere. The term is politically charged and therefore worthless in any serious discussion, much like this cherry-picked Wikipedia article above.
Zionism and the Jews going back to their ancestral and religious holy land goes back to the founding fathers of this country. In fact they identified with the Jews in this cause.

Roots of the U.S.-Israel Relationship

Jewish Influence in Early America

The mutual admiration between Israel and the United States is hardly a recent phenomenon.

The profound influence of Jewish tradition on America's Founding Fathers can be seen in the Constitution of the United States. Such influence should come as no surprise given John Adams' view expressed in a letter to Thomas Jefferson:

"I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize man than any other nation."

According to Woodrow Wilson, the ancient Jewish nation provided a model for the American colonists:

Recalling the previous experiences of the colonists in applying the Mosaic Code to the order of their internal life, it is not to be wondered at that the various passages in the Bible that serve to undermine royal authority, stripping the Crown of its cloak of divinity, held up before the pioneer Americans the Hebrew Commonwealth as a model government. In the spirit and essence of our Constitution, the influence of the Hebrew Commonwealth was paramount in that it was not only the highest authority for the principle, "that rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God," but also because it was in itself a divine precedent for a pure democracy, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy or any other form of government.

Jews also contributed directly to the American Revolution. President Calvin Coolidge paid tribute to their role in the War of Independence:

"The Jews themselves, of whom a considerable number were already scattered throughout the colonies, were true to the teachings of their prophets. The Jewish faith is predominantly the faith of liberty "

One original design for the official Seal for the United States, submitted by Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams, depicted the Israelites crossing the Red Sea with Pharaoh in pursuit and Mosesstanding on the other side. The motto was to have been: "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." Another seal was chosen, but the Liberty Bell does bear an inscription from the Old Testament:

"And Proclaim Freedom Throughout The Land Unto All the Inhabitants Thereof" (Leviticus25:10).

Although it took some 2,000 years to resurrect Hebrew as a spoken language in early twentieth century Palestine, Hebrew was actually a prerequisite for early American scholars. Many universities even required it in their curriculum. Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787 and, to this day, Yale's insignia bears the Hebrew phrase, Urim V'Thummim (oracle learning).

America's Support for Zionism
American support for the age-old aspirations of the Jewish people to return to their homeland dates from the Colonial period when John Adams wrote: "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation for, as I believe, the most enlightened men of it have participated in the amelioration of the philosophy of the age." John Quincy Adams wrote to Major Mordecai Manuel Noah that he believed in the "rebuilding of Judea as an independent nation."

Not long after the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln met a Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, who expressed hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated "by restoring them to their national home in Palestine." Lincoln said this was "a noble dream and one shared by many Americans." The President said his chiropodist was a Jew who "has so many times ‘put me upon my feet’ that I would have no objection to giving his countrymen ‘a leg up.’"

In 1883, Emma Lazarus, the poet whose words are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, wrote that Palestine should be as "a Home for the Homeless, a Goal for the Wanderer and an Asylum for the persecuted and a nation of the denationalized."

In 1891, pogroms incited by Czar Alexander III provoked an outcry by many prominent Americans, including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Speaker of the House. Rev. William E. Blackstone and Cardinal Gibbons presented a petition signed by those who were concerned about the fate of the Jews in Russia to President Benjamin Harrison and Secretary of State James Blaine. They called for the first international conference "to consider the Israelite claim to Palestine as their ancient home, and to promote in any other just and proper way the alleviation of their suffering condition."

Why not give Palestine back to the Jews again? According to God's distribution of nations, it is their home—an inalienable possession from which they were expelled by force. Under their cultivation was a remarkable fruitful land, sustaining millions of Israelites, who industrially tilled its hillsides and valleys. They were agriculturists and producers...the center of civilization and religion.

We believe this is an appropriate time for all nations, and especially the Christian nations of Europe, to show kindness to Israel...let us now restore to them the land of which they were so cruelly despoiled by our Roman ancestors.

Oooh, Jewish Virtual Library...it must be true.:rolleyes: Another peice of over simplified cherry picking from Rude-eee.
Ooooh prove it wrong, Achmed.
 
Much of the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe has been fueled by their need for oil, especially after the oil embargos of the 70s. Several initiatives were undertaken to draw Europe closer to the Arab world in order to grease the wheels for assuring the continuation of their oil supplies, and European media took on a pro-Arab point of view. After decades of relentlessly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic themes being normalized through the European press, creatures such as the revolting Eloy thing have grown up in a system entirely dominated by Jew hatred.

Don't forget the deals the swiss diplomatic vermin made to avoid having their planes hijacked by the arab muslim filth:

Report: Switzerland made secret deal with PLO to avoid terror attacks on Swiss soil
...just like those secret bank accounts they kept for Nazis who had stolen assets from Jews.
 
Europeans are anti-Jew..

They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders


Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.
It is incorrect to malign an entire people based on their religion.
Really?! I don't see you saying anything about the intolerance, terror, genocide and ethnic cleansing that Muslims are committing on people based on their religion.
 
*sigh* If you factor in the 1.3 million refugees that have arived in Europe and compare it with Europe's 508 million people, you discover that the increase in population is 0.0025%, wow, that's a real invasion...not. Seems you're so busy hating Muslims that you can't see what's in front of your nose.

C-nt idiot, muslims already make up 10% of France, and are expected to make up a majority in 50-75 years. Turn off the pro-arab muslim propaganda, you worthless fucking piece of shit.
This all comes to an abrupt stop when France votes for it's pro Trump hard right candidate in the upcoming elections.
 
seem to have very different ways of looking at this conflict (I mean aside from Tinmore). Americans seem to side more with the Israelis, maybe because of our Judeo-Christian tradition or because of movies like Exodus with Paul Newman, while Europeans seem to take the Palestinians' side. This, despite the fact that Muslims have now overrun Europe and commit terrorism there. Eloy, how do you explain this phenomenon?


The Europeans are cowed by the threat of violence in their cities.
Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.


Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.
 
Europeans are anti-Jew..

They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders


Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.

Orlando? What about Sandy Hook, Charleston, or Aurora Colorado? Since 1982, White American men have been responsible for 64% of mass shootings, Blacks 16%, Asians 9%, Latinos and others 11%
 
Europeans are anti-Jew..

They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders


Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.

Orlando? What about Sandy Hook, Charleston, or Aurora Colorado? Since 1982, White American men have been responsible for 64% of mass shootings, Blacks 16%, Asians 9%, Latinos and others 11%
While you're in a kerfuffle over the evil white man, you should note that mental health issues played a significant role in those attacks by the devil white.

The happy-fun news is that Europe is under constant threat of attack by your Islamist heroes.
 
Europeans are anti-Jew..

They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders


Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.
It is incorrect to malign an entire people based on their religion.



I'm sure that is a great comfort to the grieving family of the dead from Orlando.

You lefties are more concerned about being "fair" or "politically correct" than saving the lives of your fellow citizens.
 
seem to have very different ways of looking at this conflict (I mean aside from Tinmore). Americans seem to side more with the Israelis, maybe because of our Judeo-Christian tradition or because of movies like Exodus with Paul Newman, while Europeans seem to take the Palestinians' side. This, despite the fact that Muslims have now overrun Europe and commit terrorism there. Eloy, how do you explain this phenomenon?


The Europeans are cowed by the threat of violence in their cities.
Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.


Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.
It said "men from Pakistani background who may or may not be Muslims"! Ha ha ha ho ho ho. Please keep up with the jokes.
 
Correll, Eloy, Challenger, teddyearp, Moonglow, et al,

Wait one!!!

We are mixing different issues here.

The connecting between the US and the EU, or the US and Central Europe, or the US and the UK (The Five Eyes) has nothing to do with the criminal idiot that claims to by loyal to the DAESH, and who assaulted a gay nightclub in Orlando (≈ 50 people dead and 53 wounded). While some DAESH supporters and Fighters of DAESH have a similar mental deficiency; it really has no logical connection to the political or diplomatic relations the US maintains.

Europeans are anti-Jew..
They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders

Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.
It is incorrect to malign an entire people based on their religion.
I'm sure that is a great comfort to the grieving family of the dead from Orlando.

You lefties are more concerned about being "fair" or "politically correct" than saving the lives of your fellow citizens.
(COMMENT)

Again, this is a confusion that there is only one possible focus that makes (false logic considering the complex issue) sense . What each is attempting to say, is germane in a way; just not with this issue and not necessarily true of false.

There has been, down throw history, key moments in time when the “divine fire” of the universe does gift, to mankind, in some form of enlightenment, a solution to complex problems. Remember that if you use the ethics of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam as some sort of reason value, then you have placed yourself on the slippery slope. Even the God of Abraham (the common Deity in all three forms of worship) use violence as a legitimate form of diplomacy.

• "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them …"
• Make ready to slaughter the infidel’s sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.
• "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
The Arab-Israeli Conflict does raise some interesting issues and points; philosophically. Are the Customary and international Humanitarian Laws (IHL) a leap beyond that of the Supreme Being (as we understand it).

And there it is... This is not about the culture of the Jewish, the flexible moralism of Christians, or the radical violence of the Muslim. But rather, how far can humanity go before it decides there is no other way but to cut the hands and feet off the opponent for a decisive victory. And this will have an impact on the relations between the US, the EU, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Africa, and the Far East. Like the use, in WWII of the Atomic Bomb, not everyone believes it was morally correct. But make no mistake, it was biblical.

"They were given power over the earth to kill by sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts of the earth."

There is a silent debate, held in closed circles that whisper, about the benefit of 20th and 21st Century Customary IHL, wherein the only observable outcome has been an extension to limits which does not present the oppoortunity for a decisive victory and encourages the conflict to continue. IHL pressure and political nudging allow for the withdrawal of decisive forces and the extraordinary actions taken by Hostile Arab Palestinians to restore and resupply rockets, mortars and damaged infrastructure to a desired level of combat effectiveness. Each time this cycle occurs, the HAMAS Government does not attend to Rules 23 and 24 initiating action to protect or extract is citizenry. The Arab Palestinians are not operating under the same limitations as the Israeli opponents and are allowed to regenerate.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Correll, Eloy, Challenger, teddyearp, Moonglow, et al,

Wait one!!!

We are mixing different issues here.

The connecting between the US and the EU, or the US and Central Europe, or the US and the UK (The Five Eyes) has nothing to do with the criminal idiot that claims to by loyal to the DAESH, and who assaulted a gay nightclub in Orlando (≈ 50 people dead and 53 wounded). While some DAESH supporters and Fighters of DAESH have a similar mental deficiency; it really has no logical connection to the political or diplomatic relations the US maintains.

They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders

Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.
It is incorrect to malign an entire people based on their religion.
I'm sure that is a great comfort to the grieving family of the dead from Orlando.

You lefties are more concerned about being "fair" or "politically correct" than saving the lives of your fellow citizens.
(COMMENT)

Again, this is a confusion that there is only one possible focus that makes (false logic considering the complex issue) sense . What each is attempting to say, is germane in a way; just not with this issue and not necessarily true of false.

There has been, down throw history, key moments in time when the “divine fire” of the universe does gift, to mankind, in some form of enlightenment, a solution to complex problems. Remember that if you use the ethics of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam as some sort of reason value, then you have placed yourself on the slippery slope. Even the God of Abraham (the common Deity in all three forms of worship) use violence as a legitimate form of diplomacy.

• "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them …"
• Make ready to slaughter the infidel’s sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.
• "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
The Arab-Israeli Conflict does raise some interesting issues and points; philosophically. Are the Customary and international Humanitarian Laws (IHL) a leap beyond that of the Supreme Being (as we understand it).

And there it is... This is not about the culture of the Jewish, the flexible moralism of Christians, or the radical violence of the Muslim. But rather, how far can humanity go before it decides there is no other way but to cut the hands and feet off the opponent for a decisive victory. And this will have an impact on the relations between the US, the EU, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Africa, and the Far East. Like the use, in WWII of the Atomic Bomb, not everyone believes it was morally correct. But make no mistake, it was biblical.

"They were given power over the earth to kill by sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts of the earth."

There is a silent debate, held in closed circles that whisper, about the benefit of 20th and 21st Century Customary IHL, wherein the only observable outcome has been an extension to limits which does not present the oppoortunity for a decisive victory and encourages the conflict to continue. IHL pressure and political nudging allow for the withdrawal of decisive forces and the extraordinary actions taken by Hostile Arab Palestinians to restore and resupply rockets, mortars and damaged infrastructure to a desired level of combat effectiveness. Each time this cycle occurs, the HAMAS Government does not attend to Rules 23 and 24 initiating action to protect or extract is citizenry. The Arab Palestinians are not operating under the same limitations as the Israeli opponents and are allowed to regenerate.

Most Respectfully,
R
I commend Roudy for his ability to understand this barmy post.
 
Eloy, et al,

What does this have to do with British Cricket Fans?

I commend Roudy for his ability to understand this barmy post.
(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians follow a regiment that places such values on humanity that it permits the use of suicide bombings, the intentional targeting of the innocent (let's go get those Jewish school bus kids), the kidnap and murder of teenagers, the glorification of knife-wielding maniacs on those at prayer; and vehicular murder of unsuspecting pedestrians, vacation beach bombers, and when Palestinians kill Israeli worshippers during prayers at a Jerusalem synagogue.

Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

Most Respectfully,
R
 
seem to have very different ways of looking at this conflict (I mean aside from Tinmore). Americans seem to side more with the Israelis, maybe because of our Judeo-Christian tradition or because of movies like Exodus with Paul Newman, while Europeans seem to take the Palestinians' side. This, despite the fact that Muslims have now overrun Europe and commit terrorism there. Eloy, how do you explain this phenomenon?


The Europeans are cowed by the threat of violence in their cities.
Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.


Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.[/QUOT
The Europeans are cowed by the threat of violence in their cities.
Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.


Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.
It said "men from Pakistani background who may or may not be Muslims"! Ha ha ha ho ho ho. Please keep up with the jokes.




But at least he and eloy are being quite forthright in their support for Islamic men raping children.
 
Eloy, et al,

What does this have to do with British Cricket Fans?

I commend Roudy for his ability to understand this barmy post.
(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians follow a regiment that places such values on humanity that it permits the use of suicide bombings, the intentional targeting of the innocent (let's go get those Jewish school bus kids), the kidnap and murder of teenagers, the glorification of knife-wielding maniacs on those at prayer; and vehicular murder of unsuspecting pedestrians, vacation beach bombers, and when Palestinians kill Israeli worshippers during prayers at a Jerusalem synagogue.

Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

Most Respectfully,
R
After several years of relative calm, Jerusalem has been on a knife’s edge in recent months over the war in Gaza​

Relative calm is media code for only Palestinians are being killed. How many Palestinians were killed in that time of so called relative calm?
 
Eloy, et al,

What does this have to do with British Cricket Fans?

I commend Roudy for his ability to understand this barmy post.
(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians follow a regiment that places such values on humanity that it permits the use of suicide bombings, the intentional targeting of the innocent (let's go get those Jewish school bus kids), the kidnap and murder of teenagers, the glorification of knife-wielding maniacs on those at prayer; and vehicular murder of unsuspecting pedestrians, vacation beach bombers, and when Palestinians kill Israeli worshippers during prayers at a Jerusalem synagogue.

Now, were these actions religious? - OR - Where these incidents the actions of patriots and loyalists?

Most Respectfully,
R
After several years of relative calm, Jerusalem has been on a knife’s edge in recent months over the war in Gaza​

Relative calm is media code for only Palestinians are being killed. How many Palestinians were killed in that time of so called relative calm?

Zero.
 
seem to have very different ways of looking at this conflict (I mean aside from Tinmore). Americans seem to side more with the Israelis, maybe because of our Judeo-Christian tradition or because of movies like Exodus with Paul Newman, while Europeans seem to take the Palestinians' side. This, despite the fact that Muslims have now overrun Europe and commit terrorism there. Eloy, how do you explain this phenomenon?


The Europeans are cowed by the threat of violence in their cities.
Anti-Semitism Always Leaves a Yellow Stain

So does Islamophobia and bigotry in general. I've never met anyone "cowed by the threat of violence in our cities", that's usually the sort of drivel that comes out of the conservative "little Englander" scare-mongers.


Fear of being called racist is the reason that the Rotherham rape ring was allowed to continue operating, raping THOUSANDS OF GIRLS.

You are supporting the culture of fear that empowered and enabled those rapists to enslave and exploit the girls of Rotherham on literally an industrial scale.

Oh wonderful, Rotherham! Evil Muslims! The media hype said so so it must be true! blah, blah, blah. Nothing went on in Rotherham that doesn't go on in every city in the world, every day and no government does enough to stamp it out. Rotherham was a human tragedy exploited by the right wing media because men from a Pakistani background were involved ( who may, or may not, have been Muslims). What the media forgot to mention is that the overwhelming cases of child sex abuse in the UK and elsewhere have been committed by white "Anglo-Saxon" men. Oh, and as for "thousands of girls", the best estimate was 1400 over a 16 year period, many of whom came from within the Pakistani community in Rotherham.


1. The ring operators were all Muslims, as AT LEAST were the majority of their "clients".

2. Um, no. THat type of mass slavery and rape and terror, is not normal, at least in the West.

3. The claims by the lefty media that most child rapes are by "white anglo saxon men" is dubious at best, as the UK government actively does NOT track the ethnicity of rapist to avoid giving it's voters useful information.

4. The 1400 estimate was a bare bottom conservative number. And the girls targeted were white.

5. Political COrrectness: A social workers tried discussing the FACT that the ring was all muslims, as an important part of identify it so as to address it. She was literally sent to diversity "training" and warned not to talk like that again. The ring was allowed to operate for many years AFTER that. PC is directly responsible for the rape of thousands of girls.

6. THere are many other similar examples. Only caught because of mass abuse, blatantly conducted, over many years.

7. The factors that led to these horrible abuses are still there and will thus happen again once the glare of publicity dies down.
 
Correll, Eloy, Challenger, teddyearp, Moonglow, et al,

Wait one!!!

We are mixing different issues here.

The connecting between the US and the EU, or the US and Central Europe, or the US and the UK (The Five Eyes) has nothing to do with the criminal idiot that claims to by loyal to the DAESH, and who assaulted a gay nightclub in Orlando (≈ 50 people dead and 53 wounded). While some DAESH supporters and Fighters of DAESH have a similar mental deficiency; it really has no logical connection to the political or diplomatic relations the US maintains.

They have been anti-Jew for hundreds of years.

That's OK, America is catching up fast. Surge in Anti-Semitism Alarming American Jewish Leaders

Stupid jews. It is not white people they need to fear today, but brown people, ie Muslims. That is who is killing them see Orlando shooting.
It is incorrect to malign an entire people based on their religion.
I'm sure that is a great comfort to the grieving family of the dead from Orlando.

You lefties are more concerned about being "fair" or "politically correct" than saving the lives of your fellow citizens.
(COMMENT)

Again, this is a confusion that there is only one possible focus that makes (false logic considering the complex issue) sense . What each is attempting to say, is germane in a way; just not with this issue and not necessarily true of false.

There has been, down throw history, key moments in time when the “divine fire” of the universe does gift, to mankind, in some form of enlightenment, a solution to complex problems. Remember that if you use the ethics of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam as some sort of reason value, then you have placed yourself on the slippery slope. Even the God of Abraham (the common Deity in all three forms of worship) use violence as a legitimate form of diplomacy.

• "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them …"
• Make ready to slaughter the infidel’s sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.
• "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
The Arab-Israeli Conflict does raise some interesting issues and points; philosophically. Are the Customary and international Humanitarian Laws (IHL) a leap beyond that of the Supreme Being (as we understand it).

And there it is... This is not about the culture of the Jewish, the flexible moralism of Christians, or the radical violence of the Muslim. But rather, how far can humanity go before it decides there is no other way but to cut the hands and feet off the opponent for a decisive victory. And this will have an impact on the relations between the US, the EU, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Africa, and the Far East. Like the use, in WWII of the Atomic Bomb, not everyone believes it was morally correct. But make no mistake, it was biblical.

"They were given power over the earth to kill by sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts of the earth."

There is a silent debate, held in closed circles that whisper, about the benefit of 20th and 21st Century Customary IHL, wherein the only observable outcome has been an extension to limits which does not present the oppoortunity for a decisive victory and encourages the conflict to continue. IHL pressure and political nudging allow for the withdrawal of decisive forces and the extraordinary actions taken by Hostile Arab Palestinians to restore and resupply rockets, mortars and damaged infrastructure to a desired level of combat effectiveness. Each time this cycle occurs, the HAMAS Government does not attend to Rules 23 and 24 initiating action to protect or extract is citizenry. The Arab Palestinians are not operating under the same limitations as the Israeli opponents and are allowed to regenerate.

Most Respectfully,
R


How does that apply to my point regarding the confort offered to the families of the dead by the Left being so very fair?
 

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