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[Humanity]

Yeah. By the same unbiased New Zealand Palmer commission which was the entity the UN charged with coming up with a decision, you bigmouthed asswipe.

No, they were not. The UNHRC-FFM was commissioned to determine the legality of the blockade and found it not only to be illegal, but a war crime.

The blockade is a war crime.

Not to be confused with your whore crime.

Blockade has been deemed legal, garbage mouth.

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

You two douchebags make me laugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?_r=0

Report Finds Naval Blockade by Israel Legal

UNITED NATIONS — A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010 raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate.

Turkey is particularly upset by the conclusion that Israel’s naval blockade is in keeping with international law and that its forces have the right to stop Gaza-bound ships in international waters, which is what happened in the 2010 episode.

The United Nations investigation into the events on the ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was sailing under a Turkish flag and was the largest of six vessels that were commandeered by Israeli commandos on May 31, 2010, was led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand. He was aided by Álvaro Uribe, a former president of Colombia, along with one representative from Israel and another from Turkey.

The report takes a broadly sympathetic view of Israel’s sea blockade of Gaza.

“Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza,” the report says in its opening paragraphs. “The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.”

The report is hard on the flotilla, asserting that it “acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade.” It said that while a majority of the hundreds of people aboard the six vessels had no violent intention, that could not be said of the I.H.H. Humanitarian Relief Foundation, the Turkish aid group that primarily organized the flotilla. It said, “There exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly I.H.H.”

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

 

[Roudy]

Yeah. By the same unbiased New Zealand Palmer commission which was the entity the UN charged with coming up with a decision, you bigmouthed asswipe.

No, they were not. The UNHRC-FFM was commissioned to determine the legality of the blockade and found it not only to be illegal, but a war crime.

Blockade has been deemed legal, garbage mouth.

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

You two douchebags make me laugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?_r=0

Report Finds Naval Blockade by Israel Legal

UNITED NATIONS — A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010 raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate.

Turkey is particularly upset by the conclusion that Israel’s naval blockade is in keeping with international law and that its forces have the right to stop Gaza-bound ships in international waters, which is what happened in the 2010 episode.

The United Nations investigation into the events on the ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was sailing under a Turkish flag and was the largest of six vessels that were commandeered by Israeli commandos on May 31, 2010, was led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand. He was aided by Álvaro Uribe, a former president of Colombia, along with one representative from Israel and another from Turkey.

The report takes a broadly sympathetic view of Israel’s sea blockade of Gaza.

“Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza,” the report says in its opening paragraphs. “The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.”

The report is hard on the flotilla, asserting that it “acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade.” It said that while a majority of the hundreds of people aboard the six vessels had no violent intention, that could not be said of the I.H.H. Humanitarian Relief Foundation, the Turkish aid group that primarily organized the flotilla. It said, “There exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly I.H.H.”

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

So you admit that you were wrong about the blockade then. Don't worry, next time Israel will issue a warning, if they don't comply, they'll torpedo the fucker out of the water.

 

[Humanity]

Yeah. By the same unbiased New Zealand Palmer commission which was the entity the UN charged with coming up with a decision, you bigmouthed asswipe.

No, they were not. The UNHRC-FFM was commissioned to determine the legality of the blockade and found it not only to be illegal, but a war crime.

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

You two douchebags make me laugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?_r=0

Report Finds Naval Blockade by Israel Legal

UNITED NATIONS — A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010 raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate.

Turkey is particularly upset by the conclusion that Israel’s naval blockade is in keeping with international law and that its forces have the right to stop Gaza-bound ships in international waters, which is what happened in the 2010 episode.

The United Nations investigation into the events on the ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was sailing under a Turkish flag and was the largest of six vessels that were commandeered by Israeli commandos on May 31, 2010, was led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand. He was aided by Álvaro Uribe, a former president of Colombia, along with one representative from Israel and another from Turkey.

The report takes a broadly sympathetic view of Israel’s sea blockade of Gaza.

“Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza,” the report says in its opening paragraphs. “The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.”

The report is hard on the flotilla, asserting that it “acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade.” It said that while a majority of the hundreds of people aboard the six vessels had no violent intention, that could not be said of the I.H.H. Humanitarian Relief Foundation, the Turkish aid group that primarily organized the flotilla. It said, “There exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly I.H.H.”

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

So you admit that you were wrong about the blockade then. Don't worry, next time Israel will issue a warning, if they don't comply, they'll torpedo the fucker out of the water.

English comprehension issues there Roodboy?

Where did I "admit" this exactly?

Palmer Report is not law, as previously stated and supported by links to help you...

Your 'suggestion' that the blockade is legal is clearly wrong... You apply it to ONLY the sea blockade based upon a report that is "opinion" NOT "law"

 

[Hollie]

Blockade has been deemed legal, garbage mouth.

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

"But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war..."

The rocket attacks aimed at Israel by your Islamo-throwback heroes are acts of war.

Confirm that with the prayer leader at your mosque.

So then the other two blockades...

Land and Air...

They are also illegal

Not at all. Any sovereign nation has an explicit right to protect its citizens from Islamic terrorists.

You forget that the Islamic terrorists brought to political power by the Balesdinians have expressed both motive and intent to wage war against Israel: that is The Hamas Charter consistent with fascist Islamic ideology and a demonstrated history of adhering to those fascist precepts.

Ask the prayer leader at your mosque about Islamic history of insensate Joooooo hatreds and the concept of waqf.

 

[Billo_Really]

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

He missed a lot of bits.

On the blockade...

The Naval Blockade

In para.70 [of the Palmer Panels report] it erroneously states that “the land crossings policy has been in place since long before the naval blockade was instituted” when in fact Ms Feldman explained to Turkel that all maritime commercial traffic to Gaza had been prohibited by varying procedures since the occupation began in 1967.

This gives the lie to the [Palmer] Panel’s statement later in the paragraph that “the naval blockade as a distinct legal measure was imposed primarily to enable a legally sound basis for Israel to exert control over ships attempting to reach Gaza with weapons and related goods.”

The blockade was only imposed after the Free Gaza Movement began to sail regularly to Gaza during 2008 in defiance of Israeli restrictions.

It was to prevent this humanitarian traffic that Israel applied the blockade which the UNHRC FFM has since declared to be illegal.

It follows that the [Palmer] Panel’s reasoning in para.77 that the naval blockade was not imposed to punish the people of Gaza for the election of Hamas is unconvincing.
​

And an indication to show just how biased the Palmer Panel was towards Israel...

In supporting its [Palmer Panels'] position on Israel’s need to defend itself by imposing the blockade, the Panel make several references to the firing of rockets in Gaza. Yet these attacks do not occur in a vacuum. While the report refers (para. 78) to “countless attacks, which at the time of writing have once again become more extensive and intensive” it makes no mention of Israeli violence.

[The “time of writing” was probably April 2011. The use of the word “countless” is unprofessional: accurate figures are available from both Israeli and Palestinian sources.] (people like Roufti and Hollie like that word, because it sounds more dramatic)

(and they never talk about Palestinian casualties)
Palestinian casualties occur every week as a result of the occupation.

For example in the week 14-20 April 2011 the Palestine Center for Human Rights recorded that one man died of wounds sustained the previous week when two artillery shells were fired into the Gaza Strip;

windows were broken in a primary school when a warplane fired a missile onto neighbouring training site;

gunboats directed shells and intensive fire at Palestinian fishing boats working well within the limits of recognised Palestinian territorial waters;

farmers were fired at near the Israeli border.

At the same time there was a renewal of the cooking gas crisis due to a unilaterally imposed crossing closure;

the ban on all construction materials entering Gaza continued in force;

while for 44 months prior to April 2011 the 710 Palestinian prisoners from Gaza who are detained (illegally) in Israeli jails have been denied their visitation rights without any justification.

There is no excuse and no valid purpose for isolating Palestinian terror attacks from the context of the oppression suffered by Palestinians under the on-going Israeli occupation.
​

The Palmer Panel is the only report that says the blockade is legal and it is obvious from reviewing said report, their logic and conclusions were driven by Israeli bias and as a result, their conclusions were fatally flawed.

 

[Hollie]

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

He missed a lot of bits.

On the blockade...

The Naval Blockade

In para.70 [of the Palmer Panels report] it erroneously states that “the land crossings policy has been in place since long before the naval blockade was instituted” when in fact Ms Feldman explained to Turkel that all maritime commercial traffic to Gaza had been prohibited by varying procedures since the occupation began in 1967.

This gives the lie to the [Palmer] Panel’s statement later in the paragraph that “the naval blockade as a distinct legal measure was imposed primarily to enable a legally sound basis for Israel to exert control over ships attempting to reach Gaza with weapons and related goods.”

The blockade was only imposed after the Free Gaza Movement began to sail regularly to Gaza during 2008 in defiance of Israeli restrictions.

It was to prevent this humanitarian traffic that Israel applied the blockade which the UNHRC FFM has since declared to be illegal.

It follows that the [Palmer] Panel’s reasoning in para.77 that the naval blockade was not imposed to punish the people of Gaza for the election of Hamas is unconvincing.
​

And an indication to show just how biased the Palmer Panel was towards Israel...

In supporting its [Palmer Panels'] position on Israel’s need to defend itself by imposing the blockade, the Panel make several references to the firing of rockets in Gaza. Yet these attacks do not occur in a vacuum. While the report refers (para. 78) to “countless attacks, which at the time of writing have once again become more extensive and intensive” it makes no mention of Israeli violence.

[The “time of writing” was probably April 2011. The use of the word “countless” is unprofessional: accurate figures are available from both Israeli and Palestinian sources.] (people like Roufti and Hollie like that word, because it sounds more dramatic)

(and they never talk about Palestinian casualties)
Palestinian casualties occur every week as a result of the occupation.

For example in the week 14-20 April 2011 the Palestine Center for Human Rights recorded that one man died of wounds sustained the previous week when two artillery shells were fired into the Gaza Strip;

windows were broken in a primary school when a warplane fired a missile onto neighbouring training site;

gunboats directed shells and intensive fire at Palestinian fishing boats working well within the limits of recognised Palestinian territorial waters;

farmers were fired at near the Israeli border.

At the same time there was a renewal of the cooking gas crisis due to a unilaterally imposed crossing closure;

the ban on all construction materials entering Gaza continued in force;

while for 44 months prior to April 2011 the 710 Palestinian prisoners from Gaza who are detained (illegally) in Israeli jails have been denied their visitation rights without any justification.

There is no excuse and no valid purpose for isolating Palestinian terror attacks from the context of the oppression suffered by Palestinians under the on-going Israeli occupation.
​

The Palmer Panel is the only report that says the blockade is legal and it is obvious from reviewing said report, their logic and conclusions were driven by Israeli bias and as a result, their conclusions were fatally flawed.

You Islamic terrorist huggers always fail to acknowledge that Islamic terrorism drives the need for keeping a watchful eye on "Palestinian" Islamic terrorists.

There actually is every reason to isolate the "Palestinian" Islamic terrorists to prevent implementation of the aims and intentions of the Hamas Charter.

 

[Roudy]

Yeah. By the same unbiased New Zealand Palmer commission which was the entity the UN charged with coming up with a decision, you bigmouthed asswipe.

No, they were not. The UNHRC-FFM was commissioned to determine the legality of the blockade and found it not only to be illegal, but a war crime.

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

You two douchebags make me laugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?_r=0

Report Finds Naval Blockade by Israel Legal

UNITED NATIONS — A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010 raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate.

Turkey is particularly upset by the conclusion that Israel’s naval blockade is in keeping with international law and that its forces have the right to stop Gaza-bound ships in international waters, which is what happened in the 2010 episode.

The United Nations investigation into the events on the ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was sailing under a Turkish flag and was the largest of six vessels that were commandeered by Israeli commandos on May 31, 2010, was led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand. He was aided by Álvaro Uribe, a former president of Colombia, along with one representative from Israel and another from Turkey.

The report takes a broadly sympathetic view of Israel’s sea blockade of Gaza.

“Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza,” the report says in its opening paragraphs. “The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.”

The report is hard on the flotilla, asserting that it “acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade.” It said that while a majority of the hundreds of people aboard the six vessels had no violent intention, that could not be said of the I.H.H. Humanitarian Relief Foundation, the Turkish aid group that primarily organized the flotilla. It said, “There exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly I.H.H.”

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

So you admit that you were wrong about the blockade then. Don't worry, next time Israel will issue a warning, if they don't comply, they'll torpedo the fucker out of the water.

English comprehension issues there Roodboy?

Where did I "admit" this exactly?

Palmer Report is not law, as previously stated and supported by links to help you...

Your 'suggestion' that the blockade is legal is clearly wrong... You apply it to ONLY the sea blockade based upon a report that is "opinion" NOT "law"

UN is not a legislative body that has any jurisdiction over any nation or territory. As an organization it charged the Palmer commission with investigating the situation and part of its findings were that the blockade was legal. So yes, according to the UN, the blockade is legal and a proper action within Israel's right as a response to Hamas' actions.

 

[Roudy]

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

He missed a lot of bits.

On the blockade...

The Naval Blockade

In para.70 [of the Palmer Panels report] it erroneously states that “the land crossings policy has been in place since long before the naval blockade was instituted” when in fact Ms Feldman explained to Turkel that all maritime commercial traffic to Gaza had been prohibited by varying procedures since the occupation began in 1967.

This gives the lie to the [Palmer] Panel’s statement later in the paragraph that “the naval blockade as a distinct legal measure was imposed primarily to enable a legally sound basis for Israel to exert control over ships attempting to reach Gaza with weapons and related goods.”

The blockade was only imposed after the Free Gaza Movement began to sail regularly to Gaza during 2008 in defiance of Israeli restrictions.

It was to prevent this humanitarian traffic that Israel applied the blockade which the UNHRC FFM has since declared to be illegal.

It follows that the [Palmer] Panel’s reasoning in para.77 that the naval blockade was not imposed to punish the people of Gaza for the election of Hamas is unconvincing.
​

And an indication to show just how biased the Palmer Panel was towards Israel...

In supporting its [Palmer Panels'] position on Israel’s need to defend itself by imposing the blockade, the Panel make several references to the firing of rockets in Gaza. Yet these attacks do not occur in a vacuum. While the report refers (para. 78) to “countless attacks, which at the time of writing have once again become more extensive and intensive” it makes no mention of Israeli violence.

[The “time of writing” was probably April 2011. The use of the word “countless” is unprofessional: accurate figures are available from both Israeli and Palestinian sources.] (people like Roufti and Hollie like that word, because it sounds more dramatic)

(and they never talk about Palestinian casualties)
Palestinian casualties occur every week as a result of the occupation.

For example in the week 14-20 April 2011 the Palestine Center for Human Rights recorded that one man died of wounds sustained the previous week when two artillery shells were fired into the Gaza Strip;

windows were broken in a primary school when a warplane fired a missile onto neighbouring training site;

gunboats directed shells and intensive fire at Palestinian fishing boats working well within the limits of recognised Palestinian territorial waters;

farmers were fired at near the Israeli border.

At the same time there was a renewal of the cooking gas crisis due to a unilaterally imposed crossing closure;

the ban on all construction materials entering Gaza continued in force;

while for 44 months prior to April 2011 the 710 Palestinian prisoners from Gaza who are detained (illegally) in Israeli jails have been denied their visitation rights without any justification.

There is no excuse and no valid purpose for isolating Palestinian terror attacks from the context of the oppression suffered by Palestinians under the on-going Israeli occupation.
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The Palmer Panel is the only report that says the blockade is legal and it is obvious from reviewing said report, their logic and conclusions were driven by Israeli bias and as a result, their conclusions were fatally flawed.

Actually what happened was that a totally unbiased entity investigated the situation objectively, and it's finding were based on the truth and facts,

Tissue?

 

[Billo_Really]

UN is not a legislative body that has any jurisdiction over any nation or territory. As an organization it charged the Palmer commission with investigating the situation and part of its findings were that the blockade was legal. So yes, according to the UN, the blockade is legal and a proper action within Israel's right as a response to Hamas' actions.

They were commissioned to better relations between Israel and Turkey. That's it. They were not qualified to comment on the legality of the blockade. They had no experts in maritime law and did not review the necessary material, or interview those who were there, in order to determine the legality of the blockade.

And the Panel admits in its report, their comments were just an opinion piece only.

 

[Billo_Really]

Actually what happened was that a totally unbiased entity investigated the situation objectively, and it's finding were based on the truth and facts,

Tissue?

Mr. Uribe was on that "unbiased" Panel and when he was in office, he was the biggest buyer of Israeli weapons and in addition, received an award from Israel, for someone so unbiased?

 

[Humanity]

No, they were not. The UNHRC-FFM was commissioned to determine the legality of the blockade and found it not only to be illegal, but a war crime.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

You two douchebags make me laugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?_r=0

Report Finds Naval Blockade by Israel Legal

UNITED NATIONS — A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010 raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate.

Turkey is particularly upset by the conclusion that Israel’s naval blockade is in keeping with international law and that its forces have the right to stop Gaza-bound ships in international waters, which is what happened in the 2010 episode.

The United Nations investigation into the events on the ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was sailing under a Turkish flag and was the largest of six vessels that were commandeered by Israeli commandos on May 31, 2010, was led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand. He was aided by Álvaro Uribe, a former president of Colombia, along with one representative from Israel and another from Turkey.

The report takes a broadly sympathetic view of Israel’s sea blockade of Gaza.

“Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza,” the report says in its opening paragraphs. “The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.”

The report is hard on the flotilla, asserting that it “acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade.” It said that while a majority of the hundreds of people aboard the six vessels had no violent intention, that could not be said of the I.H.H. Humanitarian Relief Foundation, the Turkish aid group that primarily organized the flotilla. It said, “There exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly I.H.H.”

You missed some bits....

"But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

"But the report called the force “excessive and unreasonable,” saying that the loss of life was unacceptable and that the Israeli military’s later treatment of passengers was abusive."

"The report does recommend that Israel make “an appropriate statement of regret” and pay compensation"

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel,”

"Regarding the boarding of the ship, the Palmer committee said Israel should have issued warnings closer to the moment of action and should have first turned to nonviolent options."

The report also criticizes Israel’s subsequent treatment of the passengers, saying it “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance.”

So you admit that you were wrong about the blockade then. Don't worry, next time Israel will issue a warning, if they don't comply, they'll torpedo the fucker out of the water.

English comprehension issues there Roodboy?

Where did I "admit" this exactly?

Palmer Report is not law, as previously stated and supported by links to help you...

Your 'suggestion' that the blockade is legal is clearly wrong... You apply it to ONLY the sea blockade based upon a report that is "opinion" NOT "law"

UN is not a legislative body that has any jurisdiction over any nation or territory. As an organization it charged the Palmer commission with investigating the situation and part of its findings were that the blockade was legal. So yes, according to the UN, the blockade is legal and a proper action within Israel's right as a response to Hamas' actions.

You are quite right in stating that the UN is not a legislative body....

SO, how CAN they commission a report on the blockades and decide they are legal?

 

[Roudy]

A non legislative international organization can render an opinion if something is legal or not, dumbass! Just as the Supreme Court decides if laws are legal or constitutional. Wow. The ignorance is astounding.

 

[Humanity]

A non legislative international organization can render an opinion if something is legal or not, dumbass! Just as the Supreme Court decides if laws are legal or constitutional. Wow. The ignorance is astounding.

HAHAHAHAHA...

Yes, an "opinion"...

So, wanna tell everyone again how the blockades are "legal" based upon "opinion"?

This just gets easier every day!

 

[Roudy]

A non legislative international organization can render an opinion if something is legal or not, dumbass! Just as the Supreme Court decides if laws are legal or constitutional. Wow. The ignorance is astounding.

HAHAHAHAHA...

Yes, an "opinion"...

So, wanna tell everyone again how the blockades are "legal" based upon "opinion"?

This just gets easier every day!

Ho ho ho. You are a dumbfuck. UN hired an unbiased impartial organization to investigate the situation. The results of the investigation are that the blockade is legal and follows international law and standards.

Therefore according to the UN the blockade is legal and can stand until such time as the Paleshitians cease and desist from their terrorist activities. Why don't you read the opinion and see for yourself, you ignorant dumbass.

 

[pbel]

The blockade is a war crime.

Not to be confused with your whore crime.

Blockade has been deemed legal, garbage mouth.

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

"But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war..."

The rocket attacks aimed at Israel by your Islamo-throwback heroes are acts of war.

Confirm that with the prayer leader at your mosque.

The occupation is an act of war!

 

[Hollie]

Blockade has been deemed legal, garbage mouth.

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

"But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war..."

The rocket attacks aimed at Israel by your Islamo-throwback heroes are acts of war.

Confirm that with the prayer leader at your mosque.

The occupation is an act of war!

What occupation would that be? You're simply parroting the same Islamo-slogans as others.

 

[Humanity]

A non legislative international organization can render an opinion if something is legal or not, dumbass! Just as the Supreme Court decides if laws are legal or constitutional. Wow. The ignorance is astounding.

HAHAHAHAHA...

Yes, an "opinion"...

So, wanna tell everyone again how the blockades are "legal" based upon "opinion"?

This just gets easier every day!

Ho ho ho. You are a dumbfuck. UN hired an unbiased impartial organization to investigate the situation. The results of the investigation are that the blockade is legal and follows international law and standards.

Therefore according to the UN the blockade is legal and can stand until such time as the Paleshitians cease and desist from their terrorist activities. Why don't you read the opinion and see for yourself, you ignorant dumbass.

You idiot!

Didn't you just say that the UN is "non legislative"?

The UN hired a few guys to give an opinion NOT make a law...

I read the opinion roodboy... See, you do understand what "opinion" means don't you?

Let me help you... "Opinion" is not "law"...

Get it yet?

 

[pbel]

Here goes the dumbass with the link request when confronted with the truth. As this issue has been discussed a thousand times before, you should know that the link to the UN finding has been produced a thousand times as well. But if you'd like I can post it a thousand and one times for your sorry loser ass.

A sorry loser who cannot find a single link to support his BS...

Try these...

"The terms of reference for the 'method of work' of the inquiry were given by Ban Ki Moon they are outlined in the report as follows: "The Panel is not a court. It was not asked to make determinations of the legal issues or to adjudicate on liability ... The Panel was required to obtain its information from the two nations primarily involved in its inquiry, Turkey and Israel, and other affected States ... the limitation is important. It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"In September 2011, a UN Panel of Inquiry, assigned by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade was legal, based on the right of self-defense during a period of war, and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings. Concerning the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings the Palmer report stated that they were "a significant cause" of Gaza's unsustainable and unacceptable humanitarian situation"

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, there are references to the legality of the blockade...

But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war...

And as is clearly stated the Palmer Report "cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law."

"But ONLY the blockade at sea and ONLY during a period or war..."

The rocket attacks aimed at Israel by your Islamo-throwback heroes are acts of war.

Confirm that with the prayer leader at your mosque.

The occupation is an act of war!

What occupation would that be? You're simply parroting the same Islamo-slogans as others.

The occupation of Palestine ZioNazi..

 

[Roudy]

A non legislative international organization can render an opinion if something is legal or not, dumbass! Just as the Supreme Court decides if laws are legal or constitutional. Wow. The ignorance is astounding.

HAHAHAHAHA...

Yes, an "opinion"...

So, wanna tell everyone again how the blockades are "legal" based upon "opinion"?

This just gets easier every day!

Ho ho ho. You are a dumbfuck. UN hired an unbiased impartial organization to investigate the situation. The results of the investigation are that the blockade is legal and follows international law and standards.

Therefore according to the UN the blockade is legal and can stand until such time as the Paleshitians cease and desist from their terrorist activities. Why don't you read the opinion and see for yourself, you ignorant dumbass.

You idiot!

Didn't you just say that the UN is "non legislative"?

The UN hired a few guys to give an opinion NOT make a law...

I read the opinion roodboy... See, you do understand what "opinion" means don't you?

Let me help you... "Opinion" is not "law"...

Get it yet?

Keep proving that you are a fucking retard. UN renders various opinions, and then depending on the issues and their severity and urgency, the member states decide how to act.

Since a UN sanctioned organization has now found the blockade to be legal, there are no further escalations or actions that can be pursued with regards to the blockade AT THE UN. In other words this "irrelevant opinion" has totally let all the air out of PaliNazi supporters like you. Case closed!

Got it?

 

[Phoenall]

Yeah they've been terrorist animals for a while now. Once Israel took away their ability to conduct suicide bombings they shifted to using rocket attacks and tunnels as an alternative to bombings. One would think after Israel left in 2005, and gave them the keys to a completely Jew free Gaza they would cease their terror operations. But no, they instead elected a terrorist group as their govt., and increased the use of rocket attacks as their primary method of terror. Which is why Israel put a blockade in place. Animals will be animals.

No, they started the blockade, because they were all butt-hurt Gazans wouldn't vote for Israel's bitch, the PA.

The blockade went on when the gazan terrorists started to rain rockets down on Israeli heads