Affirmative Theory of 9/11 attacks

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    Is there one? All I see is people pointing out individual "flaws" in the official version, saying it must have been demolitions or a missle or aliens etc.

    But those are all negative theories: "it couldn't have been X because of Y.' I

    I have never seen a full theory of "This is what really happned." Can anyone show me such a theory? Especially one that explains why things were done in such a way.

    My prediciton is that several people will respond with more negative theories especially youtube clips, but no real coherent story.
     
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    Those who accepted or have quasi acceptance of the official story or those who don't care have moved on. Those who didn't are the ones still rehashing conspiracy stories from an incident over a decade ago. That is why you see all the those kinds of stories.
     
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    911 was a secret deal result between D.O.D. (Pentagon) and D.O.J. (FBI and DEA). Pentagon got the war it wanted. Justice Department got the power it wanted. (the Patriot Act) Here is the start of the story:

    693. Eric Holder and Operation “Fast and Furious” (11/14/2011)

    In last article, I said, “The nuclear disaster hadn’t developed further because their main case failed to go through.” The main plot is to kill Kat Hak Sung in a framed case. In recent years, the Feds prepared so many times to create war on Iran with false flag terror attacks. All failed to go through because the main plot went soured. So in June, when they were creating two nuclear disasters in US, they also authorized themselves with extended illegal power.
    The tactic is to authorize the Feds with power of unreasonable arrest and search. When they want to wrong someone they disliked, they only need to plant something illegal in his trash then they can make an arrest. It bypasses the Fourth Amendment. That rule is issued particularly on Kat Hak Sung. That’s obvious. Of course, the rule is against law. It doesn’t matter. They have convenient way. Let a political assigned official to take the responsibility. In August 2007 plot, (signaled by a B-52 loaded with nuclear missiles flying over US Continental on 8/30) President advisor Carl Rove and A.G. Gonzales both resigned on that day. Gonzales stayed a little longer later because the main plot (framed case) hadn’t been carried out. Now it’s A.G. Holder’s turn.

    In recent weeks, there is a strong voice to demand the resignation of A.G. Eric Holder for his authorization of “Operation Fast and Furious”. He neglects the demand.

    Why Eric Holder clings to his office not to resign? He is waiting for a big case. When the FBI, DEA in Department of Justice commit a crime – killing people in a framed case, he’ll step down to take the responsibility. That’s the way how the Feds play the politics.

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    All theories of how, why and who are speculation usually based on assumptions about why.

    Explain why the nation that put men on the Moon can't explain how airliner impacts and their resultant fires could totally destroy skyscrapers 2000 times the mass of the planes without providing data on the distributions of steel and concrete down the buildings?

    If 14-year-olds could understand why airliners couldn't have done it if the grade school Newtonian Physics was properly explained then the US and all of Western Culture has a problem. At least the physics should have been resolved in 2002.

    Since people complain about videos I'll have to give you one. :lol:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT4BXIpdIdo]WTC Modeling Instruction & Testing in the Real World - YouTube[/ame]

    After this much time I don't give a damn who did it or why. The Physics Profession is to blame for this not being resolved at least on the mechanistic level. But if planes could not have done if then that opens a REALLY BIG CAN OF WORMS.

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    Well, I fully believe the 9/11 Commission Report myself on the major points. Conspiracy whackos try to wither away at the edges of the Report by pointing out what ISN'T in the report as some sort of proof that the Report is wrong--by omission. I'm less concerned with the explanations they offer than I am concerned about why mental health officials have not diagnosed this schism more robustly.

    If you're asking for alternative theories; you've got to find one that fits the known facts; 19 men hijacked 4 planes and crashed them into 3 structures and a field in Pennsylvania. I haven't seen any that fit but I will offer one that does.

    Disclaimer:
    Forget US government involvement. There was none. Otherwise the body count would have been much lower. The idea that buildings were taken down to kill a few people or hinder an investigation is batshit crazy on it's surface. So there is no conspiracy inside the government. It would have been much easier to simply steal the files of the investigation or kill the targeted people without the collateral damage and increasing difficulty of hijacking planes.

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    The undisputed "winner" of the war on terror is big oil. Record profits have been posted by many (if not most) oil companies and the records they break were ones set during the post 9/11 era. So if you want a smoking gun; point to oil.

    Do I think the CEO of Chevron did it? No. But mid-sized players who operate refineries shouldn't be overlooked.

    Well, In my scenario, the CEO may have experience in the Middle East as perhaps one who negotiated agreements before, one who traveled extensively, or perhaps one who has dealt with the Saudis in the past. Somewhere he either met or met someone who can get in touch with Bin Laden.

    Well, through this contact he funds Bin Laden's network Al Queda and tells him that he wants them to do something to cause instability in the Middle East since that equals higher gasoline prices at the pump. So payments are made in the mid 1990's. Likely 5-8 large payments that show up as R&D on the company's books stateside. During that time nothing happens outside of a few attacks in Nairobi and Tanzania. Kobar towers. The USS Cole. So the relationship continues. More payments are made.

    Then 9/11 happens.

    Likely our oil man is shocked that it happened stateside. But what is he going to do? Tell on himself?

    See, Bin Laden found out that he can goose the US into action by doing this. From the book, The Lexus and the Olive Tree:

    One has to remember, we didn't use to do that--fire missiles at people. During the relationship with the oilman, Bin Laden's motives changed from being a two-bit thug to wanting Islam to become a superpower.

    So out of this relationship; the oilman got the price of his commodity to increase and Osama got his war in the Middle East and got Islam riled up. The conspiracy is between 2 or 3 men. Two of which are dead (more than likely)--Osama and his intermediary. More on the third later on.

    Enrico Fermi is credited with making the first sustainable chain reaction. Osama may be our generation's Fermi. In some village somewhere over there, our demise is being plotted. Blowback is coming. Watch. But it will ultimately fail because Islam is self-defeating as a geopolitical force; you can't go anywhere without the women.

    Who was the 3rd man? Well, I don't mean to personify him but if I had to guess; it would be someone like Oscar Wyatt. Maybe not him per-say but he fits the profile.

    Then there's this:

    Legendary Texas oilman Wyatt indicted in scam - Houston Chronicle

    Oscar bought Saddam's oil during the embargo.

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    Again, I fully believe the 9/11 Commission Report. None of the above happened. BUT...if you want to play the parlor game of HOW something like this could happen; you need to build the ship in the bottle that the Commission Report created.
     
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    :cuckoo: P.N.A.C Is a good place to start your research. Consider the major players involved with that and the offices in presidential administrations they held, before, during and after..19 Islamic terrorists were patsies. Your display of ignorance and a shill is astounding, as always.
    The 9-11 attacks are not beyond the planning and direction of some rogue elements within certain US government agencies, and personnel. Something similar was planned in the '60's, and it wasn't conceived by some wealthy oilmen, or 3rd world fanatics.
    Besides if OBL was responsible in anyway, why not capture him and "interrogate" him to find out, and finally answer all the questions surrounding all the dubious things about the attack?
    Or in your mind, there aren't any?
    Did Alqaeda get "lucky" and do the attacks the same day as the military drills and exercises, just like the 7-7 London bombings?

    I'd like to know how 3 massive WTC towers were demolished using only 2 planes, or how kerosene transformed itself into such a highly flammable force that the CD industry should be using instead of all the fancy detonators and logistics planning they employed for decades.

    It's true that one could go on about the official conspiracy theory and go off in different directions, but like you say that the 9-11 Omission Report is solid on the "major" points :lol:
    The same can be said about the major points that show the OCT is flawed and wrong, and a conspiracy of outright lies.
    All one has to do is start at the PNAC, and go to the science and physics parts to learn the OCT doesn't make sense, who you blame or for what reasons are irrelevant, as an objective mind will soon discover the truly major points that encompass physics, the drills politics and PNAC, and WTC 7 and NIST don't add up.
    Toss in the shameful Iraq WMDs war and this-

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdDp_jlgC9M]Bush jokes about Weapons of Mass Destruction - YouTube[/ame]

    And there should be no question of the extent to which psychopaths will go to deceive you.

    9-11 and how it was and still is explained to a dumbed down and terrified public, is most assuredly false on many points, and the OP will be hard pressed to find any discussion on the topic anything other then negative.

    :lol::lol::lol: Is this your attempt to explain how OBL and his fanatics suspended the laws of physics? :eusa_liar: You outdid yourself with this statement!
    Such an important genius of our generation and he isn't even captured and questioned? Do you realize how much valuable information the US gained from captured Nazis "Fermis"? :eek: :lol:

    You insult the OP, and anyone with any common sense. The USMB IQ just dropped with your post.
     
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    which laws? no need to answer...as you've proven many times over that you don't know shit about the laws of physics
     
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    A New Standard for Deception: The NIST WTC Report

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuGI82tOhEI&feature=related]A New Standard for Deception: The NIST WTC Report - YouTube[/ame]

    9/11: Blueprint for Truth

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vb7o-OOe20&feature=relmfu]9/11: Blueprint for Truth - YouTube[/ame]

    Pilots For 9/11 Truth Presents "9/11 INTERCEPTED" - (Full Film) MUST WATCH!
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhdppHwUJ9k&feature=related]Pilots For 9/11 Truth Presents "9/11 INTERCEPTED" - (Full Film) MUST WATCH! - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Hey, it's Krazy Kevin, Pope Dickie G, and Bobby (can't fly a simulator) Balsamo.

    The batshit crazy trio of Twooferdom today. :lol:

    Come back when you have something from people who aren't insane.
     

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