ACLU sues for students to wear anti-Islam shirts in Florida schools

[strollingbones]

The ACLU used to only be anti-Christian, just like most liberals. Then Muslims started beheading infidels and they realized they had to do something or lose what little credibility they still had. So they came up with the idea that all religions are bad, not just Christianity. Ten years ago, this would not have happened.

You're lucky I'm in a good mood or I'd neg you for that steaming pile of horseshit.

asswipe! neg repping for speech you don't approve of is pretty much you style of "censorship" petty very petty

do you defend sunni? when they are trying to censor him?

 

[chanel]

That's why schools have to go with uniforms. The ACLU also thinks gang symbols are ok. Most parents do not. Children do not have the same freedom of speech rights as adults. The ACLU won't accept that.

 

[WillowTree]

You're lucky I'm in a good mood or I'd neg you for that steaming pile of horseshit.

asswipe! neg repping for speech you don't approve of is pretty much you style of "censorship" petty very petty

do you defend sunni? when they are trying to censor him?

I'm not defending anyone,, maybe you misread what I'm trying to get across here. this is a discussion about the aclu and their defense of "free speech" and first thing ya know one member threatens to neg repp someone else cause he didn't like or agree with what he said. It's just plumb dumb ironical is all.

 

[L.K.Eder]

asswipe! neg repping for speech you don't approve of is pretty much you style of "censorship" petty very petty

do you defend sunni? when they are trying to censor him?

I'm not defending anyone,, maybe you misread what I'm trying to get across here. this is a discussion about the aclu and their defense of "free speech" and first thing ya know one member threatens to neg repp someone else cause he didn't like or agree with what he said. It's just plumb dumb ironical is all.

after a neg rep you cannot post for a certain amount of time depending on the power of the repper, right?

 

[chanel]

People are free to express hate and promote violence anywhere on the internet or at the dinner table. CHILDREN cannot do that at school. They cannot say it; write it; or wear it. It is not about the LAW - it is about maintaining rules and standards of conduct in the classroom. It is despicable that they would want to prevent educators from TEACHING acceptable behavior. I'm hopeful they will lose.

 

[WillowTree]

do you defend sunni? when they are trying to censor him?

I'm not defending anyone,, maybe you misread what I'm trying to get across here. this is a discussion about the aclu and their defense of "free speech" and first thing ya know one member threatens to neg repp someone else cause he didn't like or agree with what he said. It's just plumb dumb ironical is all.

after a neg rep you cannot post for a certain amount of time depending on the power of the repper, right?

how long have you waited?

 

[saveliberty]

ACLU sues for students to wear anti-Islam shirts in Florida schools - USATODAY.com

Damn that Conservative organization!

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GAINESVILLE, Fla. (USATODAY.com) — The American Civil Liberties Union has sued a north Florida school district, claiming that the Alachua County School District violated students' rights by not allowing them to wear T-shirts with an anti-Islamic message.

The civil rights organization says that while it doesn't agree with the "Islam is of the Devil" message printed on T-shirts distributed by the Dove World Outreach Center, it does support the students' constitutional right to freedom of speech.

A school dress code prohibits clothing that school officials conclude would "disrupt the learning process" or cause other students to be "offended or distracted." The students were sent home for violation of the code after declining to change out of the shirts.

Thoughts?

Why are these kids wearing t shirts? There ought to be a school uniform. ALCU; once again supporting the LOWEST common denominator.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I'm not defending anyone,, maybe you misread what I'm trying to get across here. this is a discussion about the aclu and their defense of "free speech" and first thing ya know one member threatens to neg repp someone else cause he didn't like or agree with what he said. It's just plumb dumb ironical is all.

after a neg rep you cannot post for a certain amount of time depending on the power of the repper, right?

how long have you waited?

don't know, i think i was unable to post for several weeks after dr grump neg repped me.

maybe i remember wrong. certainly we can all agree that neg rep seriously censors the free speech of the neg repped victim.

 

[L.K.Eder]

ACLU sues for students to wear anti-Islam shirts in Florida schools - USATODAY.com

Damn that Conservative organization!

OWAI-

GAINESVILLE, Fla. (USATODAY.com) — The American Civil Liberties Union has sued a north Florida school district, claiming that the Alachua County School District violated students' rights by not allowing them to wear T-shirts with an anti-Islamic message.

The civil rights organization says that while it doesn't agree with the "Islam is of the Devil" message printed on T-shirts distributed by the Dove World Outreach Center, it does support the students' constitutional right to freedom of speech.

A school dress code prohibits clothing that school officials conclude would "disrupt the learning process" or cause other students to be "offended or distracted." The students were sent home for violation of the code after declining to change out of the shirts.

Thoughts?

Why are these kids wearing t shirts? There ought to be a school uniform. ALCU; once again supporting the LOWEST common denominator.

they wore those shirts because terry jones and apparently the parents think spreading the church's message is more important than education.

 

[WillowTree]

after a neg rep you cannot post for a certain amount of time depending on the power of the repper, right?

how long have you waited?

don't know, i think i was unable to post for several weeks after dr grump neg repped me.

maybe i remember wrong. certainly we can all agree that neg rep seriously censors the free speech of the neg repped victim.

go ahead and agree, meanwhile throw some chairs at Columbia, whydonchya?

 

[L.K.Eder]

how long have you waited?

don't know, i think i was unable to post for several weeks after dr grump neg repped me.

maybe i remember wrong. certainly we can all agree that neg rep seriously censors the free speech of the neg repped victim.

go ahead and agree, meanwhile throw some chairs at Columbia, whydonchya?

i have no idea what you are talking about, but i am a fan of cryptic stuff and of chair throwing in general, so you will get pos rep which in my case will extend your free speech for about 5 minutes.

 

[saveliberty]

ACLU sues for students to wear anti-Islam shirts in Florida schools - USATODAY.com

Damn that Conservative organization!

OWAI-



Thoughts?

Why are these kids wearing t shirts? There ought to be a school uniform. ALCU; once again supporting the LOWEST common denominator.

they wore those shirts because terry jones and apparently the parents think spreading the church's message is more important than education.

I think they were wearing t shirts because the school allows them. They just want to censor what the t shirt may say. Simply have a school uniform, then there is no t shirt to worry about to begin with. God's message is more important than education, this church's view, not so much.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Why are these kids wearing t shirts? There ought to be a school uniform. ALCU; once again supporting the LOWEST common denominator.

they wore those shirts because terry jones and apparently the parents think spreading the church's message is more important than education.

I think they were wearing t shirts because the school allows them. They just want to censor what the t shirt may say. Simply have a school uniform, then there is no t shirt to worry about to begin with. God's message is more important than education, this church's view, not so much.

ah, ok. you were asking why they wore any t shirts at all, instead of uniforms. not just this special t shirt.

 

[saveliberty]

they wore those shirts because terry jones and apparently the parents think spreading the church's message is more important than education.

I think they were wearing t shirts because the school allows them. They just want to censor what the t shirt may say. Simply have a school uniform, then there is no t shirt to worry about to begin with. God's message is more important than education, this church's view, not so much.

ah, ok. you were asking why they wore any t shirts at all, instead of uniforms. not just this special t shirt.

Yes, the t shirts were "special" alright. (sarcasm)
Uniforms are great. It gives equality to all the kids. It also makes mornings before school much easier.

 

[Si modo]

Incoming! Ferriner opinion!

I thought the ACLU was about protecting the constitution. This looks like a First Amendment issue. Religion and the state is another constitutional issue isn't it?

So it's not inconsistent for the ACLU to go to bat to support these brats, sorry, these students and their right to freedom of expression and yet in another instance support the issue of the state and religion (all I know is that it apparently is a stricture against a state religion but I think it's been interpreted a bit more broadly now).

Didn't the ACLU go in to bat the Nazis in Skokie, Ill.?

Whoops. Freudian typo - didn't the ACLU go in to bat FOR the Nazis in Skokie?

(Look it's not me, I just happen to have a leftist keyboard, okay?)

It's 'go to bat', you damn ferener.

Yes, the ACLU defended the rights of Illinois Nazis to have a demonstration in Skokie because the freedom of speech is a fundamental human right and in our Bill of Rights. Protection from being offended is not.

Both that case and this case make perfect sense to me.

 

[chanel]

But do you think that children have the same free speech rights as adults? That is the heart of the issue. The children were not "arrested", they were sent home. Where do we draw the line? Are white hoods ok in school? Is profanity ok? Pornography? Calling people the "n word" or "****"? I think everyone is missing the point. School discipline does not fall under the same umbrella as a strict interpretation of the law. But it is getting dangerously close. Next up - the right to carry weapons?

 

[Polk]

People are free to express hate and promote violence anywhere on the internet or at the dinner table. CHILDREN cannot do that at school. They cannot say it; write it; or wear it. It is not about the LAW - it is about maintaining rules and standards of conduct in the classroom. It is despicable that they would want to prevent educators from TEACHING acceptable behavior. I'm hopeful they will lose.

I agree with you on this, but, oddly enough, I don't think the merits of the specific case were the actual topic of the thread.

 

[Polk]

Next up - the right to carry weapons?

While not exactly the same, aren't their several states that are trying to pass laws to overturn school regulations which prevent keeping a weapon in a dorm room?

 

[WillowTree]

don't know, i think i was unable to post for several weeks after dr grump neg repped me.

maybe i remember wrong. certainly we can all agree that neg rep seriously censors the free speech of the neg repped victim.

go ahead and agree, meanwhile throw some chairs at Columbia, whydonchya?

i have no idea what you are talking about, but i am a fan of cryptic stuff and of chair throwing in general, so you will get pos rep which in my case will extend your free speech for about 5 minutes.

Liberals support free speech and the aclu,, but not for some we throw chairs at the minutement and shout them down no free speech for them.



[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-Xs_AaSv4[/ame]

 

[Polk]

Liberals support free speech and the aclu,, but not for some we throw chairs at the minutement and shout them down no free speech for them.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-Xs_AaSv4

Free speech doesn't mean that people have to be happy when you get on stage and spew racist garbage. That being said, the actions of those students was morally reprehensible and contrary to the ideal of the university.