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Brains are not fully developed until adults.Perhaps the question should be "If it's okay to kill those at the earliest stages of life, shouldn't it be just as okay to kill those at other stages of life?"
Silly Joe, only those lacking a fully developed brain doancha kno...
(which unfortunately might reduce the population by as much as 24%)
disclaimer - sarcasm intended
This is all about feelings on both sides. Don't play that it's not. I could throw a bunch of scientific facts at you, too. But 0778 asked me a question and I answered it honestly. 0778 didn't ask me if it was human. It is potentiality of being human, in my book.I believe in quality of life and the right of a woman to choose. When I was faced with the question myself, I couldn't do it. It completely changed my life. I'm not complaining, but buster you better believe it is a life changer. How many women do you think are strong enough to bring a baby to term and give it away? There's hormones involved there. It is hell. I know women who have done it and NONE of them ever forgot it, just like they never forget the abortion. It's not easy stuff. But how do I justify terminating the potential life when it is an insensate finger sized mass? I think of the children who are unwanted in this world and what kind of life they are likely to live. Is it better to terminate that spark of potential before it begins or force it into a world where the child is likely to suffer in one way or another.What is barbaric is controlling our reproduction, what we allow to happen with our bodies. No one is saying you HAVE TO terminate an unwanted pregnancy if you don't believe in it. However, no one should be able to tell a woman that she MUST reproduce. The current relaxing of employers' duty to provide birth control coverage and the targeted attacks against Planned Parenthood are a double attack on women's right to choose.Using standard definitions, socially 'moral' in the legal sense - personally immoral. It is a barbaric medical procedure that dehumanizes the 'victim', much as slavery did, a tactic used by most of the worlds cruelest tyrants to justify mass murder and genocide.
Pregnancy - easiest of all STD's to avoid.
Women know if they are ready, willing and able to commit to the enormous responsibility of being a parent. Each woman needs to be free to choose.
I gotta ask in all seriousness cuz I respect your opinion more than most: what about the unborn's right to life? How can you be so cavalier about terminating a life? What's different for that person after birth than before that means his/her life can be ended? The woman can carry the baby to term and give it up and go on with her life but the unborn life is DEAD. The circumstances of conception are certainly not the fault of the fetus/baby, and yet so many have no problem destroying him/her. Hard to understand.
That's how I so cavalierly decide it is a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy.
Try to understand, your feelings on the matter does not address whether it is human or not.
Why should someone's feelings about whether or not we should live or die be meaningful whatsoever?
Grab-Baggers Have Nothing to Brag AboutI don't know why my post should be rated as "funny." I think that this is just trying to weasel out of the issue in a cowardly manner rather than facing it.The bigger question is why abortion is such a big issue in a world that is heavily armed, has bump stocks and automatic weapons, ever-expanding nuclear arsenals, and people bomb other people, of all ages, every day, and a large group of the population vociferously does to not help children and other people in distress. The whole "pro-life" thing is motivated by something evil that has not got a damned thing to do with "preserving life." It is motivated entirely by problems and insecurities among heterosexuals. The same people who push this crap are the people who push hatred toward LGBTs. They are the same sick people who hate female people and hate any female person who acts on her sexuality in a situation in which a male person who is her father or husband is not dominating her choices and want to punish her for her independence. In short, the "pro-life" movement is a construct of the vile male-supremacy movement.
Abortion just won't fit into a yes/no category. Generally, it is immoral; however, in cases of rape, incest, and the life of the mother, non-abortion may be even more immoral. In any case, I am deeply skeptical about making a government (legal) decision. Women's bodies aren't state property.What's you position, and why?
I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?That is an excuse the body totalitarians tell themselvesI know what definition you mean and it doesn't apply here for exactly the reasons I described above.
No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
a chicken egg is a stage of a chickens life but you dont say you are eating chicken when you are eating a cheese omelet.I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?That is an excuse the body totalitarians tell themselves
No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
Ok well, I'm pretty sure I'm wasting time arguing with anyone who would say that it's a stage of human life but it isn't human. Well just agree to disagree.
You have made a lot of posts in this thread about this and I wonder why.I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?That is an excuse the body totalitarians tell themselves
No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
Ok well, I'm pretty sure I'm wasting time arguing with anyone who would say that it's a stage of human life but it isn't human. Well just agree to disagree.
Perhaps the question should be "If it's okay to kill those at the earliest stages of life, shouldn't it be just as okay to kill those at other stages of life?"
Silly Joe, only those lacking a fully developed brain doancha kno...(insert sarcasm based on previous poster's comments re fetal brain function criteria)
Brains are not fully developed until adults.
You judging morality?Abortion is immoral. To the Satan worshipping left, steeped in perversion as they are, the immorality of the left is the least of their problems.
The left should continue to kill their children and reduce the next generation of evil.
You have made a lot of posts in this thread about this and I wonder why.I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
Ok well, I'm pretty sure I'm wasting time arguing with anyone who would say that it's a stage of human life but it isn't human. Well just agree to disagree.
When is abortion acceptable to you?
I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human being. I do believe a fetus that has a fully developed brain is a baby/human being. The line between the two is arbitrary but aborting an egg is OK, aborting a baby is not. I'd let science/rationality tell me where the line will be placed, I would not let religion.What's you position, and why?
Women die in childbirth every day. Pregnancy itself puts a mother's life in danger.You have made a lot of posts in this thread about this and I wonder why.I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
Ok well, I'm pretty sure I'm wasting time arguing with anyone who would say that it's a stage of human life but it isn't human. Well just agree to disagree.
When is abortion acceptable to you?
Only in the extremely rare cases where the mothers life is in danger.
There is that pesky idea of innocent life. If the life of an unborn child is the equal of the life of a criminal. What crime has the child committed?You judging morality?Abortion is immoral. To the Satan worshipping left, steeped in perversion as they are, the immorality of the left is the least of their problems.
The left should continue to kill their children and reduce the next generation of evil.
You have, MULTIPLE times, called for the deaths of MILLIONS of americans.
I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?That is an excuse the body totalitarians tell themselvesI know what definition you mean and it doesn't apply here for exactly the reasons I described above.
No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
What kind of a sick puppy would want to?I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?That is an excuse the body totalitarians tell themselves
No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
Why haven't you used this knowledge of yours to overturn ANY of our fetal Homicide laws yet?
I never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?That is an excuse the body totalitarians tell themselvesI know what definition you mean and it doesn't apply here for exactly the reasons I described above.
No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
You wish death upon people for seeking substance from a natural flower.There is that pesky i
There is that pesky idea of innocent life. If the life of an unborn child is the equal of the life of a criminal. What crime has the child committed?You judging morality?Abortion is immoral. To the Satan worshipping left, steeped in perversion as they are, the immorality of the left is the least of their problems.
The left should continue to kill their children and reduce the next generation of evil.
You have, MULTIPLE times, called for the deaths of MILLIONS of americans.
there you go referencing the group that you probably hate the mostI never did say it wasnt. Are you arguing with yourself?100% fact is selectively applying definitions?That is an excuse the body totalitarians tell themselves
No, it is 100% fact.
No, that is what YOU are doing. I am stating facts. The fetus is a stage of human life, that is a fact.
it does NOT meet the definition of HUMAN. Not even a single celled organism.
Embryo
The organism that develops from a pre-embryo during the second month of pregnancy. This stage of the pregnancy lasts about 5 weeks. Embryos then develop into fetuses.
We already know that societies including ours, accept the killing of those at other stages in life. Look at the conduct of the U.S. and other societies in the Middle East. The U.S. has killed lots of people over oil. Look at the historic treatment of Native Americans and African Americans on our own continent. How many children and adults of these groups died as a result of direct violence or starvation and neglect. When there are economic and/or political motivations for killing humans, we accept it with nonchalance. It's just "collateral damage." You can cry a river over a zygote, but you can't note how many millions of human lives have been lost to these motives? Oh, please.Perhaps the question should be "If it's okay to kill those at the earliest stages of life, shouldn't it be just as okay to kill those at other stages of life?"The bigger question is why abortion is such a big issue in a world that is heavily armed, has bump stocks and automatic weapons, ever-expanding nuclear arsenals, and people bomb other people, of all ages, every day, and a large group of the population vociferously does to not help children and other people in distress. The whole "pro-life" thing is motivated by something evil that has not got a damned thing to do with "preserving life." It is motivated entirely by problems and insecurities among heterosexuals. The same people who push this crap are the people who push hatred toward LGBTs. They are the same sick people who hate female people and hate any female person who acts on her sexuality in a situation in which a male person who is her father or husband is not dominating her choices and want to punish her for her independence. In short, the "pro-life" movement is a construct of the vile male-supremacy movement.
