A Reasonable Solution To The Gay Marriage Debate

[BDBoop]

You are an intolerant hateful person because you call people "bigots" just because they disagree with you. SHAME ON YOU.

I call them like I see them.
Grow some stones. Get used to it Gary. I have relatives that are gay and lesbian. You claim they are less than human and I will call you a bigot everytime I hear it.

As will I.

 

[Gadawg73]

You are an intolerant hateful person because you call people "bigots" just because they disagree with you. SHAME ON YOU.

I call them like I see them.
Grow some stones. Get used to it Gary. I have relatives that are gay and lesbian. You claim they are less than human and I will call you a bigot everytime I hear it.

SHAME ON YOU. You call people bigots and haters just because they disagree with you about redefining marriage. You are a VERY INTOLERANT person..

I call you a bigot because you are one.
A biased, conceited, egotistical and hompophobic bigot.
Oh, I will tolerate you but not without telling you who you are.

Wham it zero on set, EP team on the ready, KO team on the squares, 4th string D to group.

 

[logical4u]

Gadawg
You were saying...

8,934 posts here in thelast few years on gay marriage.
Not one to date that has any evidence whatsoever any negative effects to heterosexual marriage.
Gays are getting married now.
How has it affected ANYONE?
Gay marriage=non issue. Waste of time.

I guess that is because you choose to ignore the truth. The first article is about domestic violence in homosexual relationships. Usually, when "couples" are violent, similar acts of violence are targeted towards the children....

Homosexual Couples and Domestic Violence - Conservapedia
In regards to homosexual couples and domestic violence, studies indicate that as a whole homosexual couples have higher rates of promiscuity than heterosexual couples. In addition, studies report that homosexual couples have significantly higher incidences of violent behavior which will be covered shortly. These studies are not surprising at all given what pathologists have stated regarding the commonness and brutality of homosexual murders.

Regarding studies regarding homosexual couples and violence, a recent study by the Canadian government regarding homosexual couples states that "violence was twice as common among homosexual couples compared with heterosexual couples".[2] According the American College of Pediatricians who cite several studies violence among homosexual couples is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples.[3] In addition, the American College of Pediatricians states the following: "Homosexual partnerships are significantly more prone to dissolution than heterosexual marriages with the average homosexual relationship lasting only two to three years."[3]

In June of 2004, the journal Nursing Clinics of North America reported the following regarding homosexual couples:



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Domestic abuse is under-reported in the gay community...
Male-on-male same-sex domestic violence also has been reported in couples where one or both persons are HIV-positive. Intimate partner abuse and violence include humiliation, threatening to disclose HIV status, withholding HIV therapy, and harming family members or pets.[4]

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In 2000, the New York Times in an article entitled Silence Ending About Abuse in Gay Relationships cites some information which may indicate that domestic abuse may be under-reported in the homosexual community.[5] The New York Times article states the following:


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But the issue of gay domestic abuse has been shrouded by silence until recently...
For years, gay people have tried to keep quiet about the problem, said Dave Shannon, coordinator of the violence recovery program at Fenway Community Health, a gay and lesbian clinic in Boston.

Mr. Shannon said: People feel, 'Why should we air our dirty laundry? People feel so negatively about us already, the last thing we should do is contribute to negative stereotypes of us.' [5]”


Studies
The Journal of the Family Research Institute using data from the U.S. Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics and the Center for Disease Control concluded that "married men who are not separated are at least 25 times less apt to be domestically attacked than a homosexual male in an 'on-going relationship.' Even if we include all married and separated husbands, the risk of domestic violence in a male-male homosexual relationship is still at least 18 times greater."[6]
Another study indicated that 83% of homosexuals report they have been emotionally abused by homosexual partners. [7]
The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Domestic Abuse Fact Sheet states that "11% of women in homosexual relationships and 23% of men in homosexual relationships report being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by an intimate partner".[8]
A study published in The Journal of Family Violence reported among its participants that "Emotional abuse was reported by 83%" of its participants.[7]
A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical abuse. [9]
A 1985 study of 1109 lesbians by Gwat-Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier reported that slightly more than half of the respondents indicated that they had been abused by a female partner.[10]
Coleman, in a 1990 study of 90 lesbians reported that 46.6% had experienced repeated acts of violence.[11]
A study of 113 lesbians reported (1994) that 41% said they had been abused in one or more relationships.[12]
In their book, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (1991), Island and Letellier postulate that "the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population."[13]
The Journal of Social Service Research reported in 1991 that survey of 1,099 lesbians showed that slightly more than 50 percent of the lesbians reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner, "the most frequently indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse." [14]
A study of lesbian couples reported (2000) in the Handbook of Family Development and Intervention "indicates that 54 percent had experienced 10 or more abusive incidents, 74 percent had experienced six or more incidents, 60 percent reported a pattern to the abuse, and 71 percent said it grew worse over time."[15]

Gay couple accused of abusing two of their nine adopted sons | Mail Online A gay couple who adopted nine boys have been accused of sexually assaulting two of the children.

Read more: Gay couple accused of abusing two of their nine adopted sons | Mail Online

A DUTCH man accused of sexually abusing more than 60 children was “married” to his homosexual lover. Under American law, this man would be able to adopt children or obtain children through surrogates and raise them in his home. How long before we see children subjected to a lifetime of abuse by their adoptive homosexual parents? Heterosexual men commit sexual abuse too, but they do not have the same rate of sexual perversion against the young. The Thinking Housewife › “Married” Pedophile Accused of Abusing More than 60 Children

BY DOUG PATTON, Conservative viewpoint

All who continue to deny the dire warnings concerning the freak show that awaits our culture at the bottom of the slippery slope called "gay rights" need only contemplate the story of 11-year-old Thomas Lobel.

Thomas is being raised in San Francisco (of course) by two lesbians, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, who claim they were "married" by a rabbi in some sort of ceremony back in 1990. They adopted Thomas when he was 2 years old.

Because he has a speech impediment, Thomas learned sign language at an early age. According to his two "mothers," he told them in sign language — at age 3, mind you — that he was a girl. On the strength of that assertion — from a 3-year-old! — Moreno and Lobel made a gigantic leap and assumed it must be true. Thomas, they concluded, must be what is euphemistically referred to these days as "transgendered." You know, transgendered, like "Chaz" Bono, Sonny and Cher's little girl-turned-lesbian-turned-boy-turned-who-knows-what-next.

So, this troubled little boy, Thomas Lobel (whom the only parents he has ever known now call "Tammy"), confused and withdrawn because of his handicap, was brainwashed into believing something he couldn't possibly understand yet.

Four years ago, when Thomas was 7, psychiatrists "diagnosed" him with "gender identity disorder." By age 8, with ongoing encouragement from his two lesbian parents, he was supposedly "transitioning," whatever that means.

But this story gets worse. Much, much worse.

This summer, aided and abetted by a medical establishment that no longer has any moral or cultural moorings, these two deviants started the hideous process of "gender reassignment" on poor Thomas, now 11, in order to suppress the onset of his male puberty and physically turn him into a girl! This "therapy" includes a hormone-suppressant, which is implanted in his upper left arm to prevent him from developing naturally into the boy God intended him to be. It will suppress the growth of facial hair, the natural deepening of his voice and the broadening of his shoulders.

Thomas will remain a pre-pubescent boy until he and his "mothers" decide whether he should transition to an adult female. In order to do that, he will have to take female hormones, which will raise his voice, allow him to grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Lastly, of course, is the decision to have sex-change surgery.

San Francisco is one of only four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for "transgender children." The others are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health.

Such an innocuous sounding name.

There is virtually no chance that this poor, bewildered boy will "decide" to do anything other than to allow himself to be manipulated and mutilated by these domineering women in his life. They, along with the so-called doctors who condone and facilitate this perversion, should be prosecuted for child abuse.

What will these two decide to convince their son to become next? A dog? A cat? A fencepost? A lesbian? What was wrong with him being a boy? That's how he was born. That's what he was supposed to be.

"Everybody was angry with us," Moreno says. "They all said, 'How could you be doing this? You might be ruining his whole life!'" She says she and her partner have faced intense criticism from both friends and family.

What they should be facing is a judge and jury. Instead, we have criminal child abuse being validated by our psychiatric community and our legal system. It may not be popular to say so, but this is the stagnant social cesspool that results from embracing deviancy.

In the blink of an eye we have gone from unthinkable to the new normal.

Lesbian couple guilty of criminal child abuse | Hernando Today

Exposure to a plethora of pernicious elements that often plague the homosexual lifestyle left Dawn feeling “outraged at the incidences of same-sex domestic abuse, sexual advances toward minors, and loss of sexual partners as if people were only commodities.”


“From a young age, I was exposed to explicit sexual speech, self-indulgent lifestyles, varied GLBT subcultures and gay vacation spots. Sex looked gratuitous to me as a child. I was exposed to all inclusive manifestations of sexuality including bathhouse sex, cross-dressing, sodomy, pornography, gay nudity, lesbianism, bisexuality, minor recruitment, voyeurism and exhibitionism. Sado-masochism was alluded to and aspects demonstrated. Alcohol and drugs were often contributing factors to lower inhibitions in my father’s relationships.”
The Effects of Gay Marriage on Children | This is Marriage

Timothy J. Dailey Ph.D. -- Homosexual Parenting: Placing children at risk

Lesbian Couple sentenced 30 years for Child Abuse

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Kenmore women each sentenced to 30 years

Two Kenmore women accused of abusing their six children were sentenced to 30 years in prison each this afternoon.

Mary Rowles, 31, the mother of the six children, and her lesbian partner, Alice Jenkins, 28, could have received more than 100 years each from Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove.

In October, the women pleaded guilty to an entire 55-count indictment alleging kidnapping, child endangering, felonious assault and other charges involving the children, now ages 7 to 15.

Rowles' five sons allege they were locked in dark closets, deprived of food, forced to eat feces and were mentally and physically abused for a year or more. Rowles' 12-year-old daughter was not subjected to the same abuse, police said, but is included as a victim because of her presence in the home. Lesbian Couple sentenced 30 years for Child Abuse - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Lesbian Couple Drug, Torture and Starve Seven-Year-Old Boy

Posted on December 1, 2007


For some reason, when I read about this I though of a recent post over on Feminist Critics:


Seven-year-old Sean Gibson was found earlier this month wandering in a parking lot by employees of Westgate Resorts in Kissimee, Florida. He was out late by himself and begging for food at a buffet. The poor kid only weighed 37 pounds. They called authories who took him to the hospital.

Now domestic partners Suzette Stevenson, 45, and Jamie Lynn Martin, 26, have been charged with aggravated child abuse.

Fair warning, the torture these women subjected this boy to is rather graphic:


The boy, who is not a biological child to either woman, was allegedly tied by his wrists and made to stand in an upright position for hours at a time, forced to drink shampoo, was burned with cigarettes and had to urinate and defecate in a closet, according the Baker County Sheriff’s Office documents.

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Instead, the two women allegedly threatened him with a box cutter and left him in a car, drugged with some type of adult sleeping pill, as they tried to collect $100 in a real estate promotion awarded to anyone who visited a timeshare open house.

And here:


The staff at Celebration was appalled when the extent of Sean’s abuse became apparent.

They amputated the big toe of his left foot, one of two that had been broken by bending. Other injuries include rope burns on his wrists from where he was left hanging by his arms from two large wall lights at the trailer.

“He had burns on the sides of his ears, and they believe those came from being dragged across carpets,” said the investigator. “The doctor initially called him ‘walking death’ and indicated he may have damage to internal organs from repeated kicking.”

Sean’s head was covered in bruises and knots believed to be from blows by fists, hands or other objects.

The one thing about this is that at numerous point people had the opportunity to intervene. At the daycare someone should have noticed. The fact that this boy was pulled out of school should have been a red flag. Or maybe someone could have bothered to verify the fake birth certificate these women had. The social service system was designed to address situations like this, but at every point that someone had a chance to step in no one did a thing. In the end it was the boy had to save himself.

One other element about this stands out. These two women were torturing this boy for apparently no reason at all. That just does not fit with the general profile of abusers. There is always reason, no matter how ridiculous it may be. Given that, I cannot say that the torture was not mitigated by these women’s general attitude towards males as a result of their sexual orientation. That is not to say that being lesbians caused them to be abusive, but there seem to be a propensity for lesbians who abuse children to specifically target boys. Lesbian Couple Drug, Torture and Starve Seven-Year-Old Boy | Toy Soldiers


To be honest, I quit looking at this point. I was looking for a case, I believe out of CA where a lesbian couple abuse a young girl (she had cigarette burns), and other scars of abuse. I have noticed when those cases "make" the news, they are only posted for a short while, and get no where near the attention that other abuse cases get.

 

[garyganu]

You are an intolerant hateful person because you call people "bigots" just because they disagree with you. SHAME ON YOU.

I call them like I see them.
Grow some stones. Get used to it Gary. I have relatives that are gay and lesbian. You claim they are less than human and I will call you a bigot everytime I hear it.

As will I.

You guys are making wild unfounded accusations and state them as if they are true. That is very irresponsible.

I challenge anyone to cite a single instance where I have called gays "less than human". You can not because I have never said anything like that. I believe in equal opportunity for everyone. However, you have repeatedly called those opposed to the redefinition of marriage "haters and bigots".

 

[Montrovant]

ANOTHER quoted wall of text!

 

[garyganu]

I call them like I see them.
Grow some stones. Get used to it Gary. I have relatives that are gay and lesbian. You claim they are less than human and I will call you a bigot everytime I hear it.

SHAME ON YOU. You call people bigots and haters just because they disagree with you about redefining marriage. You are a VERY INTOLERANT person..

I call you a bigot because you are one.
A biased, conceited, egotistical and hompophobic bigot.
Oh, I will tolerate you but not without telling you who you are.

Wham it zero on set, EP team on the ready, KO team on the squares, 4th string D to group.

In your opinion; Is everyone who is opposed to the redefinition of marriage a bigot?

 

[Catalist]

The gay marriage issue has never been about equal rights, marriage nor religion. It is about gay activists’ desire to change society's basic institutions out of the frustration that they are not included..........

Read much?

 

[daws101]

Did you miss that part where I said that swingers are NOT accepted outside of their corrupt circles?

so what gives you the moral authority to judge what kind of sex is corrupt and what is not?
you can knock off the moralizing any time...

Does homosexual sex have any chance of "producing" (conceiving)? That would be scientific authority (but you guys don't care for science when it is easy to prove)

What gives you the authority to change the traditional family that has been in place for thousands of years, and where it is celebrated and reinforced, those families have made the most productive societies in the history of the world? Please give examples of the great contributions that homosexuals have left for the generations that will "follow" them.

now that I'm done lol.. Socrates (469-399 BC) Greek philosopher
Practiced educational method using analytical cross-examination, emphasizing self-knowledge and rejection of received opinion. Dialogues with his pupils recorded by Plato. Sentenced to death for "corrupting" the youth of Athens.


Plato (c.427-347 BC) Greek philosopher
Key figure in Western philosophy, founder of the Academy in Athens, pupil of Socrates and teacher of Aristotle. Dialogues The Symposium and Phaedrus celebrated the spiritual love of youths, but tolerated backsliding. Love poems to Aster.

David & Jonathan


Harmodius & Aristogiton


Plato


Alexander

Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) King of Macedon
Conquered most of Greece, Persia, Asia Minor, India & Egypt (founded the city of Alexandria), transmitted Hellenic values across the civilized world. Mourned the death of his lover Hephaestian with extravagant funeral rites.


http://rictornorton.co.uk/greatgay/greatgay.htm

you ignorant fuck!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I will remind you being black is not the same as being gay, so stop using loving vs Va. as a case point for gay marriage.

that would be incorrect. the pertinent part of Loving isn't necessarily the issue of race... it's the fact that marriage is a fundamental right that can't be denied to someone for discriminatory reasons.

so please stop ignoring what the court said when you know full well that Loving applies to the issue of gay rights.

Loving is also on point with regard to the 14th Amendment’s requirement that a state’s citizens be allowed equal access to the law:

This case presents a constitutional question never addressed by this Court: whether a statutory scheme adopted by the State of Virginia to prevent marriages between persons solely on the basis of racial classifications violates the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment. [n1] For reasons which seem to us to reflect the central meaning of those constitutional commands, we conclude that these statutes cannot stand consistently with the Fourteenth Amendment.

Loving v. Virginia

In your opinion; Is everyone who is opposed to the redefinition of marriage a bigot?

Perhaps. But such a person is certainly ignorant. As no one is advocating marriage be ‘redefined.’ Indeed, the entire point of the law is to ensure all citizens have equal access to marriage laws - just as they exist now, unaltered.

 

[koshergrl]

Horse crap.

You are seeking to redefine the meaning of the word, that is exactly what is taking place. Because homosexuals ALREADY have access to marriage right now. They have opted out. Now they are seeking to force us to call what they do, instead, "marriage". That is changing the definition..just as it would be changing the definition to call single people "married" and pretend we're "discriminating" against single folk because single folk can't call themselves "married".

 

[bodecea]

Horse crap.

You are seeking to redefine the meaning of the word, that is exactly what is taking place. Because homosexuals ALREADY have access to marriage right now. They have opted out. Now they are seeking to force us to call what they do, instead, "marriage". That is changing the definition..just as it would be changing the definition to call single people "married" and pretend we're "discriminating" against single folk because single folk can't call themselves "married".

We already have access to Religious Marriage. The government, however, is discriminating on gays (in most states and federally) based on gender. That is illegal.

 

[koshergrl]

If it were true.

They are not married. Just as single people aren't married. If they want to get married and access those privileges, they are welcome to.

They choose not to. Too bad *snif*.

 

[WorldWatcher]

If it were true.

They are not married. Just as single people aren't married. If they want to get married and access those privileges, they are welcome to.

They choose not to. Too bad *snif*.

What's not true? That laws barring Same-sex Civil Marriage are written in terms of gender?



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[koshergrl]

It's not true that they're excluded from being married. They are subject to the exact same parameters that all of us are.

Gay people can get married...just like we can. If they want to partcipate, they have to marry a not-closely-related, not-already married, not-underaged person of the opposite sex who is of sound mind.

We all have the exact same right to participate. They, like many career bachelors and bachelorettes, and closely related roommates and people who are engaged in extramarital affairs, choose not to participate in the construct.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It's not true that they're excluded from being married. They are subject to the exact same parameters that all of us are.

Gay people can get married...just like we can. If they want to partcipate, they have to marry a not-closely-related, not-already married, not-underaged person of the opposite sex who is of sound mind.

We all have the exact same right to participate. They, like many career bachelors and bachelorettes, and closely related roommates and people who are engaged in extramarital affairs, choose not to participate in the construct.

Or they can drive or fly to a state and get a Civil Marriage to someone of the same gender.


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[Vidi]

Not on this site. It's the uneducated and the slow who are promoting it.

Another shot from the fear based lunatic. Hows your cats?

I don't have cats. I have a dog that kills them.

No fear here, just a desire to maintain traditional values. You people have been lying about social norms since the Kinsey studies, and we let you get away with it. I think it's fairly obvious that your idea of "normal" brings nothing but depravity, disease, death and destruction to people. Time to stop listening.

You wouldnt know a traditional value if it hit you square in the face. You have yet to display the compassion traditional values demands.

...oh wait...unless sociopath is a traditional value?

 

[Vidi]

It's not true that they're excluded from being married. They are subject to the exact same parameters that all of us are.

Gay people can get married...just like we can. If they want to partcipate, they have to marry a not-closely-related, not-already married, not-underaged person of the opposite sex who is of sound mind.

We all have the exact same right to participate. They, like many career bachelors and bachelorettes, and closely related roommates and people who are engaged in extramarital affairs, choose not to participate in the construct.

Same argument applied to interacial marriage. Black had the SAME rights as everyone to marry someone of their own race.

Its called bigotry. Try not to express it so much.

 

[logical4u]

so what gives you the moral authority to judge what kind of sex is corrupt and what is not?
you can knock off the moralizing any time...

Does homosexual sex have any chance of "producing" (conceiving)? That would be scientific authority (but you guys don't care for science when it is easy to prove)

What gives you the authority to change the traditional family that has been in place for thousands of years, and where it is celebrated and reinforced, those families have made the most productive societies in the history of the world? Please give examples of the great contributions that homosexuals have left for the generations that will "follow" them.

now that I'm done lol.. Socrates (469-399 BC) Greek philosopher
Practiced educational method using analytical cross-examination, emphasizing self-knowledge and rejection of received opinion. Dialogues with his pupils recorded by Plato. Sentenced to death for "corrupting" the youth of Athens.


Plato (c.427-347 BC) Greek philosopher
Key figure in Western philosophy, founder of the Academy in Athens, pupil of Socrates and teacher of Aristotle. Dialogues The Symposium and Phaedrus celebrated the spiritual love of youths, but tolerated backsliding. Love poems to Aster.

David & Jonathan


Harmodius & Aristogiton


Plato


Alexander

Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) King of Macedon
Conquered most of Greece, Persia, Asia Minor, India & Egypt (founded the city of Alexandria), transmitted Hellenic values across the civilized world. Mourned the death of his lover Hephaestian with extravagant funeral rites.


The Great Queers of History

you ignorant fuck!

I disagree with David and Jonathan. That aside, including them going back what, 7000 years, you have managed to list nine (9)? That is not saying much. Guess the humanitarian abilities of the homosexuals are right up there with the muslims.

 

[logical4u]

I will remind you being black is not the same as being gay, so stop using loving vs Va. as a case point for gay marriage.

that would be incorrect. the pertinent part of Loving isn't necessarily the issue of race... it's the fact that marriage is a fundamental right that can't be denied to someone for discriminatory reasons.

so please stop ignoring what the court said when you know full well that Loving applies to the issue of gay rights.

Loving is also on point with regard to the 14th Amendment’s requirement that a state’s citizens be allowed equal access to the law:

This case presents a constitutional question never addressed by this Court: whether a statutory scheme adopted by the State of Virginia to prevent marriages between persons solely on the basis of racial classifications violates the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment. [n1] For reasons which seem to us to reflect the central meaning of those constitutional commands, we conclude that these statutes cannot stand consistently with the Fourteenth Amendment.

Loving v. Virginia

In your opinion; Is everyone who is opposed to the redefinition of marriage a bigot?

Perhaps. But such a person is certainly ignorant. As no one is advocating marriage be ‘redefined.’ Indeed, the entire point of the law is to ensure all citizens have equal access to marriage laws - just as they exist now, unaltered.

Deceiver!

 

[logical4u]

Horse crap.

You are seeking to redefine the meaning of the word, that is exactly what is taking place. Because homosexuals ALREADY have access to marriage right now. They have opted out. Now they are seeking to force us to call what they do, instead, "marriage". That is changing the definition..just as it would be changing the definition to call single people "married" and pretend we're "discriminating" against single folk because single folk can't call themselves "married".

We already have access to Religious Marriage. The government, however, is discriminating on gays (in most states and federally) based on gender. That is illegal.

Are there homosexuals in heterosexual marriages?