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How about an old one? It was much better.
The Articles of Confederation - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Typical.
Conservatives lost the big one in the Civil war.
Deal.
OH BOY!! THIS will be a fun thread!
I'm waiting for someone to strike down the right to free speech, assembly and the right to vote for certain people of a certain background.
Counting down to the first post that does that in ten, nine, eight, seven.....
I'm not for any of that; I am for a clear definition of when our troops can be put into harm's way, expanding election day to election week (or weeks) so that any troubles at the polls are able to be addressed while the elections are still going, the size of the federal budget relative to GDP, making campaign advertising for federal office free of charge to those running to get money out of politics (somewhat)... Big ideals.
I, personally, also would like to see rules written into the document that would do certain things like ensuring a minimum of 6 Presidential debates between all candidates who receive a certain modicum of support--not just democrats and republicans. Two each on Foreign Policy, Domestic Policy, and Domestic Spending. Each series of two debates will have the first one be a standard debate where large circulation media asks questions of the candidates; the second is where each one will ask a question of the others on stage.
I would also like to see said debates be done fairly, not like in 2008 where the better of the GOP candidates where not even allowed to answer a question and instead where given only the option to answer "Yes or no". "Fred Thompson".
And also not have a partisan left wing hack moderating the GOP debates like in 2008.
lol: Sorry Mr. Pres)--get to ask questions of each other. The series topic steers the questions; foreign policy, domestic policies, domestic spending.
It sure as hell did not prevent the disaster of November 2nd 2008.
You've got the dates wrong. 9/11 and Katrina were disasters who's architects counted themselves as Conservatives.
What does that even mean? 9/11 was terrorism and Katrina was a natural disaster.
Try Obama...Yeah..by your heroes Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. The biggest oath breakers in American History.
Obama colluded with an enemy state to hold American hostages to win an election, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Obama lied about WMD's and Terrorism to attack a country not a threat or involved in hostile activities against this nation, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
Obama supported terrorists in Central America in direct violation of the vote of Congress when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Obama spied on American citizens, when exactly? Oh wait a minute...that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
While I totally agree with your statement...the problem isn't the Constitution...it's the politicians that need changing.
I disagree.
Let me tell you why.
So we replace all of the current 538 congressional members with new ones; the rules that lead to the abuses in the first place are still there. Change the rules and the abuses go away.
Filling 538 jobs will probably yield at lest 53 to 106 (10-20 percent) that are on the take; either overtly or in the shadows.
The President will still be able to send troops anywhere he wants without anyone's approval.
The Congress can still spend whatever it wants
I disagree with you, impeachment and jail time always worked fine when it was enforced.
How about an old one? It was much better.
The Articles of Confederation - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Typical.
Conservatives lost the big one in the Civil war.
Deal.
Conservative? Civil War? I'm not a conservative, and the Articles of Confederation have nothing to do with the Civil War. Though since you mention it, the Confederate Constitution was an improvement on the U.S. Constitution in some ways.
Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861
Typical.
Conservatives lost the big one in the Civil war.
Deal.
My, you are becoming quite the hack these days, aren't you?
Fucking moronic and bullshit statement.
Yet true.
Southern states still fly the Stars and Bars and hold that traitors like Robert E Lee are heroes.
Those are today's conservatives.
And yesterday's too.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubzG1CFi8cs]YouTube - ‪"Sovereignty or Secession" Rally in Austin, Texas‬‏[/ame]
I disagree.
Let me tell you why.
So we replace all of the current 538 congressional members with new ones; the rules that lead to the abuses in the first place are still there. Change the rules and the abuses go away.
Filling 538 jobs will probably yield at lest 53 to 106 (10-20 percent) that are on the take; either overtly or in the shadows.
The President will still be able to send troops anywhere he wants without anyone's approval.
The Congress can still spend whatever it wants
I disagree with you, impeachment and jail time always worked fine when it was enforced.
Can you give examples where Presidents were jailed for sending troops into harms way without authorization?
Can you give examples where members of the HOR were jailed for spending money?
Curious.
My, you are becoming quite the hack these days, aren't you?
Fucking moronic and bullshit statement.
Yet true.
Southern states still fly the Stars and Bars and hold that traitors like Robert E Lee are heroes.
Those are today's conservatives.
And yesterday's too.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubzG1CFi8cs]YouTube - ‪"Sovereignty or Secession" Rally in Austin, Texas‬‏[/ame]
This board really likes throwing the word "traitor" around a lot, with no basis on the actual constitutional definition of the word.
Section 3 - Treason Note
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Blame Biden for that one.Try Obama...Yeah..by your heroes Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. The biggest oath breakers in American History.Is there proof of this collusion? Why did Carter allow said hostages to be held so long? That whole debacle was all Carters, not Reagans.Obama colluded with an enemy state to hold American hostages to win an election, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Bush could not have went to war with Iraq without congressional approval, and every Democrat in the house gave him approval,let's here what the left had to say about it.Obama lied about WMD's and Terrorism to attack a country not a threat or involved in hostile activities against this nation, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk]YouTube - ‪Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction)‬‏[/ame]
Seems the Dems where on board all along, yes?
Obama supported terrorists in Central America in direct violation of the vote of Congress when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Obama spied on American citizens, when exactly? Oh wait a minute...that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
There's nothing wrong with our constitution. There's alot wrong with politicians. Seriously, how could anyone even entertain the idea of letting the miscreants running the show today write a new constitution.
Never said we'd have Congress writing the new rules. Thats a bad idea. Need non political people to fix politics.
I don't even agree with that because the people today never had to endure the hardships of fighting a revolutionary war against the most powerful empire of the world at the time.
Yet true.
Southern states still fly the Stars and Bars and hold that traitors like Robert E Lee are heroes.
Those are today's conservatives.
And yesterday's too.
YouTube - ‪"Sovereignty or Secession" Rally in Austin, Texas‬‏
This board really likes throwing the word "traitor" around a lot, with no basis on the actual constitutional definition of the word.
Section 3 - Treason Note
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Lee committed Treason. That's according to the Constitution of the United States.
I'll hazard to say that makes him a traitor.
Try Obama...
Obama colluded with an enemy state to hold American hostages to win an election, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Obama lied about WMD's and Terrorism to attack a country not a threat or involved in hostile activities against this nation, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
Obama supported terrorists in Central America in direct violation of the vote of Congress when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Obama spied on American citizens, when exactly? Oh wait a minute...that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
Libya, rendition, and the Patriot Act can all be laid at the feet of Obama. Even Afghanistan and Iraq considering he's still fighting those wars. Not to mention all the innocent civilians around the world murdered by Obama's policies. Obama is just as big a warmonger as Bush.
This board really likes throwing the word "traitor" around a lot, with no basis on the actual constitutional definition of the word.
Section 3 - Treason Note
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Lee committed Treason. That's according to the Constitution of the United States.
I'll hazard to say that makes him a traitor.
Unfortunately it was the U.S. government that began making war against the states. It can't be treason for them defending themselves.
Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
I can see it now, a new constitution, written by communists in office right now. Some people on here are just begging for abuse. Some people on here apparently want government to hold their tiny hands and tell them what to do from dusk until dawn. Some people on here need shot in the head to protect the rest of us from their ignorance.
Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and Michele Bachmann are communists? Naw.
Socialists..yes..but certainly not communist.
They want Socialism for the wealthy..
The ambiguity of the constitution is part of its strength. You are asking for a strict written set of rules/laws that leave no room to grow or for emergencies/disasters.
It sure as hell did not prevent the disaster of November 2nd 2008.
You've got the dates wrong. 9/11 and Katrina were disasters who's architects counted themselves as Conservatives.
Is there proof of this collusion? Why did Carter allow said hostages to be held so long? That whole debacle was all Carters, not Reagans.
Never said we'd have Congress writing the new rules. Thats a bad idea. Need non political people to fix politics.
I don't even agree with that because the people today never had to endure the hardships of fighting a revolutionary war against the most powerful empire of the world at the time.
Since that would be us; you're right. LOL.
Okay...well, get ready of more of the same then; The NFL changed it's rules when the life expectancy of it's players began to be effected. Its' called being proactive.
According to you, we won't change the rules because our current scholars and citizenry have never faced a domineering threat or manifest oppression.
The only word is "wow"; and not the good sort of "wow" either.
By the time you get through reading this, if you believe some sources, the national debt would have increased by $60,000. By the time you refresh the screen, it would have increased by about $5,000.
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Yeah, I see no need to change a thing.
Obama colluded with an enemy state to hold American hostages to win an election, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Obama lied about WMD's and Terrorism to attack a country not a threat or involved in hostile activities against this nation, when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
Obama supported terrorists in Central America in direct violation of the vote of Congress when exactly? Oh wait a minute..that wasn't Obama..that was Ronald Reagan!
Obama spied on American citizens, when exactly? Oh wait a minute...that wasn't Obama..that was George W. Bush!
Libya, rendition, and the Patriot Act can all be laid at the feet of Obama. Even Afghanistan and Iraq considering he's still fighting those wars. Not to mention all the innocent civilians around the world murdered by Obama's policies. Obama is just as big a warmonger as Bush.
Jumped right over my points to make a brand new ones..didja?
Libya was the right thing to do in my book..the less terrorist supporting assholes running countries in the world..the better.
Afghanistan? Iraq? If you got a better way to pull out of those places then what's being done..I'm all ears. The last time the United States turned tail on a nation was Vietnam. And the results were a disaster.
Rendition? The Patriot Act? Yeah..those should have been history.
That's the same argument Bush gave for Iraq.
Just leave. We made the mess and the longer we stay the worse it's going to get
