A New Constitution?

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Lee committed Treason. That's according to the Constitution of the United States.

I'll hazard to say that makes him a traitor.

Unfortunately it was the U.S. government that began making war against the states. It can't be treason for them defending themselves.

"The States" were in violation of the Constitution.

Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

And those States fired the first shots.

The U.S. Constitution didn't apply to states no longer under its authority, so they were free to form any confederation they wished. Also, the Constitution does not deny them the power to secede so under the 10th Amendment they have that authority.

As for firing the first shots, it's clear that Lincoln forced their hand so that he could have his war. Not to mention nobody was killed at Fort Sumter and the Union troops were sent home where they belong because the Confederacy was not at war with the Union.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

That's the same argument Bush gave for Iraq.

Just leave. We made the mess and the longer we stay the worse it's going to get

I'm against our being in Iraq, but we "made the mess?" You can't be serious

Had we not invaded it wouldn't have descended into a civil war.

 

[Sallow]

It sure as hell did not prevent the disaster of November 2nd 2008.

You've got the dates wrong. 9/11 and Katrina were disasters who's architects counted themselves as Conservatives.

The events leading up to 9/11 happened under clinton, and who could have prevented Katrina?

What part of the funding of the muj by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush did you miss?

Clinton was the first to recognize Bin Laden as a threat and it was REPUBLICANS that stopped his efforts to kill the bastard. They even tried to impeach Clinton while he was at it.

You guys like the "guilt by association" thing so much. Why aren't you on the Bushes for being in business with the Bin Ladens..eh?

And "preventing" Katrina wasn't the issue. Letting them fester in flood waters for over a week was..

 

[grunt11b]

You've got the dates wrong. 9/11 and Katrina were disasters who's architects counted themselves as Conservatives.

What does that even mean? 9/11 was terrorism and Katrina was a natural disaster.

Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush funded the muj. Under George W. Bush the very same people grabbed 4 airliners and somehow were able to smash them into buildings despite the fact we have the most advanced military in the world. Both amount to monumental stupidity. Funding and being unable to stop some really ridiculous radicals.

The planning phase happened under Clinton, he even declined to kill Bin laden two separate times when it was offered.

Louisiana was left to fester in flood waters for more then a week. That's when most of the deaths occurred.

Emergency preparedness starts at the local level, in katrinas case the counties and cities would be the first to act, then if they needed it the state would then act, and if it is needed the federal government would act. It was not up to the federal government to immediately go into LA and take care of business. But guess what, it was in fact the Democrats who ran the state and local governments who dropped the ball, not Bush. And for the people who had a weeks notice to get out, but chose to stay and loot in the aftermath, they have nothing to complain about or anyone to blame but themselves. This is what happens when government holds the hands of the citizens and makes them reliant on government, the people will do nothing for themselves but hold their hands out in the shape of a bowl and ask for more.
Hecka of a job, Conservatives.

Hecka of a job.

Blame the Democrat leadership, they where in charge of LA at the time.

 

[grunt11b]

I disagree with you, impeachment and jail time always worked fine when it was enforced.

Can you give examples where Presidents were jailed for sending troops into harms way without authorization?

Can you give examples where members of the HOR were jailed for spending money?

Curious.

How about just giving an example when a President was jailed after leaving office?

One did some time in jail before entering office. First in history I think. George W. Bush.

No president has ever been jailed, that is exactly the problem. If they where held accountable, we would not be having these issues.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

You've got the dates wrong. 9/11 and Katrina were disasters who's architects counted themselves as Conservatives.

The events leading up to 9/11 happened under clinton, and who could have prevented Katrina?

What part of the funding of the muj by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush did you miss?

Clinton was the first to recognize Bin Laden as a threat and it was REPUBLICANS that stopped his efforts to kill the bastard. They even tried to impeach Clinton while he was at it.

You guys like the "guilt by association" thing so much. Why aren't you on the Bushes for being in business with the Bin Ladens..eh?

And "preventing" Katrina wasn't the issue. Letting them fester in flood waters for over a week was..

They knew a week out that Katrina was heading there way. Continue on with the false outrage though. It's comical.

 

[The T]

What does that even mean? 9/11 was terrorism and Katrina was a natural disaster.

The planning phase happened under Clinton, he even declined to kill Bin laden two separate times when it was offered.

Louisiana was left to fester in flood waters for more then a week. That's when most of the deaths occurred.

Emergency preparedness starts at the local level, in katrinas case the counties and cities would be the first to act, then if they needed it the state would then act, and if it is needed the federal government would act. It was not up to the federal government to immediately go into LA and take care of business. But guess what, it was in fact the Democrats who ran the state and local governments who dropped the ball, not Bush. And for the people who had a weeks notice to get out, but chose to stay and loot in the aftermath, they have nothing to complain about or anyone to blame but themselves. This is what happens when government holds the hands of the citizens and makes them reliant on government, the people will do nothing for themselves but hold their hands out in the shape of a bowl and ask for more.
Hecka of a job, Conservatives.

Hecka of a job.

Blame the Democrat leadership, they where in charge of LA at the time.

Correct. Remember Ray Nagin? And THIS:

As he cursed Bush for not sending help? (Nevermind he knew as anyone did when it was going to hit and had plenty time to prepare).

 

[grunt11b]

You've got the dates wrong. 9/11 and Katrina were disasters who's architects counted themselves as Conservatives.

The events leading up to 9/11 happened under clinton, and who could have prevented Katrina?

What part of the funding of the muj by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush did you miss?

Clinton was the first to recognize Bin Laden as a threat and it was REPUBLICANS that stopped his efforts to kill the bastard. They even tried to impeach Clinton while he was at it.

You guys like the "guilt by association" thing so much. Why aren't you on the Bushes for being in business with the Bin Ladens..eh?

And "preventing" Katrina wasn't the issue. Letting them fester in flood waters for over a week was..

He could have did an executive order to have a SAM dropped on Bin Laden anytime he wanted, but didn't. according to those in the left, Bin Laden was too important for future plans to kill right at that moment I guess.

 

[Sallow]

The events leading up to 9/11 happened under clinton, and who could have prevented Katrina?

What part of the funding of the muj by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush did you miss?

Clinton was the first to recognize Bin Laden as a threat and it was REPUBLICANS that stopped his efforts to kill the bastard. They even tried to impeach Clinton while he was at it.

You guys like the "guilt by association" thing so much. Why aren't you on the Bushes for being in business with the Bin Ladens..eh?

And "preventing" Katrina wasn't the issue. Letting them fester in flood waters for over a week was..

They knew a week out that Katrina was heading there way. Continue on with the false outrage though. It's comical.

What's that I hear? Texas asking the Federal government for help with fires? North Dakota looking for emergency money to help with flood waters?

How many Americans died during these disasters? Wait a minute, how many Americans died wallowing in flood waters while Obama was President?

How many during Bush? Over 1,500.

Yeah..it's comical alright. Comedy gold.

Hecka of a job, Brownie.

 

[Sallow]

The events leading up to 9/11 happened under clinton, and who could have prevented Katrina?

What part of the funding of the muj by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush did you miss?

Clinton was the first to recognize Bin Laden as a threat and it was REPUBLICANS that stopped his efforts to kill the bastard. They even tried to impeach Clinton while he was at it.

You guys like the "guilt by association" thing so much. Why aren't you on the Bushes for being in business with the Bin Ladens..eh?

And "preventing" Katrina wasn't the issue. Letting them fester in flood waters for over a week was..

He could have did an executive order to have a SAM dropped on Bin Laden anytime he wanted, but didn't. according to those in the left, Bin Laden was too important for future plans to kill right at that moment I guess.

Clinton lobbed a rocket into his hide out..he wasn't there. And Republicans blocked Clinton's effort to send in special forces..they wanted to impeach him.

But heck..George W. Bush let him run around the middle east for 7 fucking years after 9/11.

What's up with that?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

What part of the funding of the muj by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush did you miss?

Clinton was the first to recognize Bin Laden as a threat and it was REPUBLICANS that stopped his efforts to kill the bastard. They even tried to impeach Clinton while he was at it.

You guys like the "guilt by association" thing so much. Why aren't you on the Bushes for being in business with the Bin Ladens..eh?

And "preventing" Katrina wasn't the issue. Letting them fester in flood waters for over a week was..

They knew a week out that Katrina was heading there way. Continue on with the false outrage though. It's comical.

What's that I hear? Texas asking the Federal government for help with fires? North Dakota looking for emergency money to help with flood waters?

How many Americans died during these disasters? Wait a minute, how many Americans died wallowing in flood waters while Obama was President?

How many during Bush? Over 1,500.

Yeah..it's comical alright. Comedy gold.

Hecka of a job, Brownie.

Let's get to the crux of the problem here. They were warned a week in advance. Why were they still hanging around? Because dependency upon government had been ingrained into their society for generations. This isn't hard to figure out.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Isn't it a living constitution?

Not according to most "conservatives".

 

[Sallow]

The planning phase happened under Clinton, he even declined to kill Bin laden two separate times when it was offered.

Emergency preparedness starts at the local level, in katrinas case the counties and cities would be the first to act, then if they needed it the state would then act, and if it is needed the federal government would act. It was not up to the federal government to immediately go into LA and take care of business. But guess what, it was in fact the Democrats who ran the state and local governments who dropped the ball, not Bush. And for the people who had a weeks notice to get out, but chose to stay and loot in the aftermath, they have nothing to complain about or anyone to blame but themselves. This is what happens when government holds the hands of the citizens and makes them reliant on government, the people will do nothing for themselves but hold their hands out in the shape of a bowl and ask for more.
Hecka of a job, Conservatives.

Hecka of a job.

Blame the Democrat leadership, they where in charge of LA at the time.

Correct. Remember Ray Nagin? And THIS:

As he cursed Bush for not sending help? (Nevermind he knew as anyone did when it was going to hit and had plenty time to prepare).

Well even given your blame of Nagin...you got any examples where Obama allowed over 1,500 Americans to die because of the lack of Federal aid?

Any?

Hmm..I'll wait.

 

[candycorn]

Can you give examples where Presidents were jailed for sending troops into harms way without authorization?

Can you give examples where members of the HOR were jailed for spending money?

Curious.

How about just giving an example when a President was jailed after leaving office?

One did some time in jail before entering office. First in history I think. George W. Bush.

No president has ever been jailed, that is exactly the problem. If they where held accountable, we would not be having these issues.

Can you list them who should have been jailed?


I'm guessing every one since Reagan...at least; am I right? Or is it every one since FDR?

 

[candycorn]

I don't even agree with that because the people today never had to endure the hardships of fighting a revolutionary war against the most powerful empire of the world at the time.

Since that would be us; you're right. LOL.

Okay...well, get ready of more of the same then; The NFL changed it's rules when the life expectancy of it's players began to be effected. Its' called being proactive.

According to you, we won't change the rules because our current scholars and citizenry have never faced a domineering threat or manifest oppression.

The only word is "wow"; and not the good sort of "wow" either.

By the time you get through reading this, if you believe some sources, the national debt would have increased by $60,000. By the time you refresh the screen, it would have increased by about $5,000.

<saracasm>
Yeah, I see no need to change a thing.

No need to create any melodrama but again there is nothing wrong with the constitution. Our biggest mistake is moving so far away from the constitution. If we moved back towards it, a lot of our problems would disappear.

Really...whose violating it today that is causing trillions of dollars in debt, You'll say welfare of course. Thats fine. But that ambiguity is what leads to such interpretations where spending on public assistance is A-OK.

Here, take this test:

http://www.dirtyspendingsecrets.com/

All of it legal; thanks to the ambiguous Constitution allowing politicians to take full advantage of every loophole.

 

[Sallow]

They knew a week out that Katrina was heading there way. Continue on with the false outrage though. It's comical.

What's that I hear? Texas asking the Federal government for help with fires? North Dakota looking for emergency money to help with flood waters?

How many Americans died during these disasters? Wait a minute, how many Americans died wallowing in flood waters while Obama was President?

How many during Bush? Over 1,500.

Yeah..it's comical alright. Comedy gold.

Hecka of a job, Brownie.

Let's get to the crux of the problem here. They were warned a week in advance. Why were they still hanging around? Because dependency upon government had been ingrained into their society for generations. This isn't hard to figure out.

James Lee Witt ran FEMA well. That was under Clinton. Why did he do a good job? He was a professional.

Michael Brown ran FEMA terribly. So bad that over 1500 people died. He wasn't a professional. He was a Bush crony.

William Fugate is running FEMA well. Why? He's a professional. He has experience.

See how that works?

Proper people in the right places yield positive outcomes.

Wrong people in the wrong places yield negative outcomes.

Every single time.

 

[WillowTree]

I think it's time we write a new constitution for the USA. Our old one is outdated, and doesn't really apply to our times now. What are your thoughts?

George Soros is that ewe?

 

[grunt11b]

What part of the funding of the muj by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush did you miss?

Clinton was the first to recognize Bin Laden as a threat and it was REPUBLICANS that stopped his efforts to kill the bastard. They even tried to impeach Clinton while he was at it.

You guys like the "guilt by association" thing so much. Why aren't you on the Bushes for being in business with the Bin Ladens..eh?

And "preventing" Katrina wasn't the issue. Letting them fester in flood waters for over a week was..

They knew a week out that Katrina was heading there way. Continue on with the false outrage though. It's comical.

What's that I hear? Texas asking the Federal government for help with fires? North Dakota looking for emergency money to help with flood waters?

How many Americans died during these disasters? Wait a minute, how many Americans died wallowing in flood waters while Obama was President?

How many during Bush? Over 1,500.

Yeah..it's comical alright. Comedy gold.

Hecka of a job, Brownie.

I guess you give Katheline Blanco a free pass then right? Because it was the slow response of local and state governments that doomed some of those citizens.
Also, according to your logic, would the BP oil spill not fall on Obama? Being that the well was far enough off the coast to require an immediate response from the federal government and Obama did nothing for 3 weeks. Does he get a free pass on this also just as Blanco got??
Pretty hypocritical Sallow, hypocritical indeed.
And dont forget the oil skimmers from other countries who volunteered to come and help clean it up that Obama told to stay away.

 

[The T]

Blame the Democrat leadership, they where in charge of LA at the time.

Correct. Remember Ray Nagin? And THIS:

As he cursed Bush for not sending help? (Nevermind he knew as anyone did when it was going to hit and had plenty time to prepare).

Well even given your blame of Nagin...you got any examples where Obama allowed over 1,500 Americans to die because of the lack of Federal aid?

Any?

Hmm..I'll wait.

I addressed NOLA shithead. Get a clue...

 

[DontBeStupid]

Blame the Democrat leadership, they where in charge of LA at the time.

Correct. Remember Ray Nagin? And THIS:

As he cursed Bush for not sending help? (Nevermind he knew as anyone did when it was going to hit and had plenty time to prepare).

Ah revisionist history. And so soon after the event too.

For those who were paying attention and remember this event, it was not the hurricane that caused the problems. It was the levies. The city and state weathered the hurricane just fine. That's what was predicted and they were up to the challenge. Absolutely no predicted the levies would fail and flood the city. THAT was when the Federal government should have stepped in, but they didn't. Instead, apparently, they were sitting around waiting for a phone call from a group of people who had no phones any more.