98% of Catholics use artificial birth control

[Gadawg73]

He's not paying for it, the insurance company is.

Left to their own devices, the insurance companies have no problem paying for family planning. Because lack of family planning actually costs them more money.

Births that are too close together have massive medical complications.

Women who are still having babies after 40 has a bunch of medical problems.

The insurance companies were probably the ones who pushed for this.

The ugly truth about ObamaCare and RomneyCare- Big Insurance got most of what it wanted.

No, the congregation is paying for it. The insurance company collects premiums. The definition of benefits page explains what the coverage pays for.
We are paying for it.

But here's the thing. The congregation isn't paying for it. Profits from the business are paying for it. Profits - and I know you are having a hard time with this- are created by the hard work of labor.

So if you were to put this up to a vote of the workers- guess what. Most of them would vote for this coverage. And if you put it up to a vote of the congregations, for that matter, most of them would vote for the coverage.

The actual cost wouldn't change. Family planning is cheaper than live births. Especially problematic live births - Too close together or after a certain age or before a certain age.

My hard work produces profits so how hard is that for someone like me that owns 3 businesses?
The church is FULLY SUPPORTED by donations from the congregation.
What business is the church in other than that?
We do not live in a mob majority rule most votes country.
We live and are governed NOT by men and their varying and changing like the wind religous beliefs or mob majority rule; we are governed BY THE LAW.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Your hysterical over reaction to the Church's attitude towards birth control is.... frankly.... crap.

and..... your hysterical over reaction to the health care law as it applies to birth contril is..... quite frankly.......bullshit.

You in the catholic faith don't want to practice birth control, then DON'T.
No one is forcing Catholic women to not get pregnant. But it must really make for a tuff argument when most catholic women use birth control.

And yea, you all would sure like to get all that pesky molestation stuff right behind you.
And I am sure lots of Catholics ( except for the ones molested or parents of those molested) would go along with you.

So what. Still happened. And probably still happening. Still people suffering for those actions. You go ahead and forgit about it. Maybe do the rosary for the sins of the priests. That will fix it.

And pray for all catlolic women to get pregnant as well.

It's not about birth control. It's about the First Amendment Rights of ALL religions.

Bullshit.

It's about the relevancy-of, and job-security for.....the Catholic-hierarchy.

 

[JoeB131]

The pill is one the GREATEST medical advances ever seen. A married couple can chose not to have kids. What exactly is the PROBLEM with that?

Is your Google broke?

Try "Catholic church position on birth control," and take it from there, dumbass

The Church's position is dumb.

Biologically, a species reproduces at the rate that the environment allows. A couple might produce 6 children knowing only two of them will make it to adulthood. And prior to the modern age, this was usually the case, where you had a 50% infant mortality rate.

Now, due to the advances of modern science, including medicine, agriculture and sanitation, the mortality rate is a lot lower. Which means the world is overpopulated, and population control is not only advisable, but critical.

Most governments get this.

Most other religions get this.

The Catholics are stuck on stupid. They have a policy that was written by frustrated, self-loathing homosexuals.

 

[JoeB131]

My hard work produces profits so how hard is that for someone like me that owns 3 businesses?
The church is FULLY SUPPORTED by donations from the congregation.
What business is the church in other than that?
We do not live in a mob majority rule most votes country.
We live and are governed NOT by men and their varying and changing like the wind religous beliefs or mob majority rule; we are governed BY THE LAW.

Okay. But in a democracy, we get to CHANGE the law.

And if the laws allow too much wealth to accumulate into too few hands, the laws change to change that, as it should.

As I've said, the problem with your kind of "mine, mine, mine" kind of thinking is that you create the very socialism you decry.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If the Church feels it is "morally wrong" to hire black people, why not allow the church to be exempt from equal rights laws? What if the church feels it is "morally wrong" to let 5 year olds go to waste without working their 12 hrs a day? Should we believe that the 1st amendment somehow exempts the church from child labor laws?

Of course the 1st amendment doesn't cover these things. So there's no reason to try to posit this as such an issue. We already understand that the 1st amendment doesn't cover any and all actions and behaviors. The church is free to teach whatever doctrine it wants. It is free to teach its followers that birth control is a sin. But that does not exempt the church from having basic obligations in its employer-employee relations.



This argument is completely without logical merit. Continuum fallacies are not with standing.



No, he's not. The constitution does not protect an employer from requirements that health coverage include things that the employer may not want the employee to choose.

Hello, there were more than a few Catholics involved in the Civil Rights movement, like Jews, we know of discrimination.

Indeed, Catholics were right there - in the thick of the fight, on the side of the Civil Rights Movement... people like.... oh... JKF. RKF. Etc.

We've also fought for the employment and labor laws that this country now holds dear.

You surely do throw a lotta "WE"s around, for being the self-centered/self-involved Bimbo you are.

YOU need to quite taking-credit for.....

.....OTHER-peoples' efforts!!!

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[Gadawg73]

The pill is one the GREATEST medical advances ever seen. A married couple can chose not to have kids. What exactly is the PROBLEM with that?

Is your Google broke?

Try "Catholic church position on birth control," and take it from there, dumbass

The Church's position is dumb.

Biologically, a species reproduces at the rate that the environment allows. A couple might produce 6 children knowing only two of them will make it to adulthood. And prior to the modern age, this was usually the case, where you had a 50% infant mortality rate.

Now, due to the advances of modern science, including medicine, agriculture and sanitation, the mortality rate is a lot lower. Which means the world is overpopulated, and population control is not only advisable, but critical.

Most governments get this.

Most other religions get this.

The Catholics are stuck on stupid. They have a policy that was written by frustrated, self-loathing homosexuals.

Homosexuals do not procreate and many of them call us "breeders" sort of as an insult.
So why would they have something they make fun of as their policy?
A policy that isolates them further as the minority?
Plenty of homos in the Catholic church but few make it into power. They hide themselves there and do not seek the power.

 

[Warrior102]

The Church's position is dumb.

Then don't be a Catholic.
No one is asking you/putting a gun to your head to so.
Quite frankly - I don't think the church gives a rat's ass what you think.

 

[Dragon]

A lot of people don't understand that the Catholic population isn't a monolith, and that there are many reasons why someone raised Catholic might stay in the Church. There's a beauty, and a magical/spiritual power to Catholic ritual. The Mass is a magic that uplifts the soul, and opens it to the presence of the holy. It's a very old ritual with a lot of accumulated power. Plenty of people who sharply disagree with many points of Catholic doctrine (the business about birth control being a very common point of disagreement) nevertheless remain with the Church for emotional/spiritual reasons, to partake of the sacraments and feel the presence of Christ and the Holy Spirit in their lives.

Some Catholics -- the more conservative ones in a religious sense -- are likely to go by what the Church authorities say. But by the same token, those Catholics are unlikely to vote for Obama anyway, and probably didn't four years ago. Many other Catholics are not so religiously conservative, and are accustomed to ignoring pronouncements from the Pope and other Church authorities. Lacking any real evidence to the contrary, that they will do the same now is the way to bet.

Obama is no more likely to lose Catholic votes over this than Reagan was to lose Catholic votes because he was divorced.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Because a Catholic uses birth control it automatically means they should agree to pay for everyone else's birth control.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.....everyone's gonna decide to work for the Catholic Church....because they offer free birth-control.

Yeah....right......

 

[JoeB131]

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Homosexuals do not procreate and many of them call us "breeders" sort of as an insult.
So why would they have something they make fun of as their policy?
A policy that isolates them further as the minority?
Plenty of homos in the Catholic church but few make it into power. They hide themselves there and do not seek the power.

Oh, please. I grew up Catholic. All the nuns were lesbians and all the priests were gayer than an episode of "Will and Grace".

And when it became kind of acceptable to be gay, membership in these holy orders dropped like a rock.

if the clergy were made up of married men and women, you wouldnt have these retarded policies.

 

[JoeB131]

The Church's position is dumb.

Then don't be a Catholic.
No one is asking you/putting a gun to your head to so.
Quite frankly - I don't think the church gives a rat's ass what you think.

I stopped being Catholic a long time ago.

But the Church doesn't get to dictate morality to it's employees. Sorry, it just doesn't.

The law says you have to provide family planning, you provide family planning. That's the end of the discussion, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Meltdown in progress.

.....As usual......

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[Mr. Shaman]

The Catholic church is the second biggest farce ever uploaded to mankind and the article is bullshit.
Come to south America and take a look at "birth control".

How do you feel about Islam's stance on birth control? For or against?

Islam and Christianity have many issues in common.

Yeah....like.....

....their Faith....

....and.....

....preference for Brutality!!!!

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[Warrior102]

The Church's position is dumb.

Then don't be a Catholic.
No one is asking you/putting a gun to your head to so.
Quite frankly - I don't think the church gives a rat's ass what you think.

I stopped being Catholic a long time

good
No one seems to miss you

 

[Mr. Shaman]

100% of Catholics sin also. So I guess we should just make sinning legal too huh?

Yeah.....it'd be......

.....absolute chaos.

 

[hortysir]

Still waiting for this "98% of Catholics use artificial birth control" statistic

 

[JoeB131]

Then don't be a Catholic.
No one is asking you/putting a gun to your head to so.
Quite frankly - I don't think the church gives a rat's ass what you think.

I stopped being Catholic a long time

good
No one seems to miss you

NOr do I miss them..

But when they frustrated pedos start trying to impose their stupidity on the rest of us, they are going to get mocked...

 

[The T]

Still waiting for this "98% of Catholics use artificial birth control" statistic

It isn't there. They think that just because some catholics DO use it is an excuse to have Government dictate terms outside the First Amendment and in violation of it.

 

[JoeB131]

Still waiting for this "98% of Catholics use artificial birth control" statistic

Here you go...


98% of Catholic Women Have Used Contraception the Church Opposes - Yahoo! News

It's surely a fact that the Catholic Church's higher-ups don't want to hear, but it's one that the White House has heralded in his defense of the new (and today, amended) requirement for Catholic employers to offer insurance that covers contraceptives. "According to a study by the Guttmacher Institute, most women, including 98 percent of Catholic women, have used contraception," the White House's blog wrote last week. They were referring to an April 2011 report from the organization that describes its mission as to "advance sexual and reproductive health and rights." The 98 percent was among all Catholic women who have had sex and did not include "natural family planning," i.e. the only officiallly Church-sanctioned method of preventing pregnancies. That number is nearly indistiguishable from the reported 99 percent of all American women who say they have used contraception. These are the key bits from Guttmacher Institute's "Countering Conventional Wisdom: New Evidence on Religion and Contraceptive Use":

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Certainly most Catholics use contraceptives--however it is not up to the Federal Government to force their church to do something that the church feels is morally WRONG. This is a constitutional issue regarding religious freedom of the church.

If the Federal Government can force the Catholic church to provide something that they feel is morally wrong--then it won't be long until they can FORCE you to take something or do something that you personally feel is morally wrong. IOW--there is no limit to what they can force you to do. Obama is walking all over the U.S. Constitution in this matter.

DUUUHH I suspected something had changed when we stopped seeing 8-12 kids in Catholic families. The bottom line is that women...not Catholics or Baptists are the ones who will determine this issue and most of us are smart enough to know how that will go. Women grew tired of old white men telling them what to do a long time ago. I think most of them are smart enough to see that the decision is for their interests...not against them.

"Old white men telling them what to do" is a telling phrase for your posts.

.....Especially when the subject matter is.....

.....BILL DONOHUE!!!

Sheesh. For believers, its called the Word. And I have no idea what color God is.....

Jehovah to me is colorless. He is Lord. Faith knows no color.

.....Or, common-sense.​