97% Climate Scientists...

[polarbear]

Only total idiots "calculate" utterly meaningless averages like "average global temperature"
on a globe where there are a lot of places that are always warmer than other places that remain always colder.
And come up with an "average", an average of what exactly?

All You can prove with that is how stupid the average idiot who has voting rights can be !
.....and then offer to lead them.

What volume of space does each of these individual Wallmart thermometer measurements represent?
Even if You just go straight up at the same place it gets 6.5 deg K cooler for every 1000 meters.
And that holds true anywhere on earth from sea level up to 11 klicks Altitude.

As if adding a set of totally meaningless numbers and dividing the sum by the number of elements would give you a true average...but it will give you a lot of places behind the decimal point, way beyond the actual accuracy of your thermometerr...and behind the decimal place..is where all that fuzz is made.

So what exactly is the average temperature of a column of air where the plugged in radius was what?
and the plugged in height was what?...

These Average Temperature "calculations" are even more stupid than "calculating" the average area of an arbitrary bunch of pyramid cross sections...they follow the same A/H relationship as temperature versus height.

I could prove using the same stupid average method that parts of your car are exceeding the speed limit while others stand perfectly still, and if You continue driving Your car will be disintegrating and the final result will be a catastrophic failure.

 

[westwall]

Only total idiots "calculate" utterly meaningless averages like "average global temperature"
on a globe where there are a lot of places that are always warmer than other places that remain always colder.
And come up with an "average", an average of what exactly?

All You can prove with that is how stupid the average idiot who has voting rights can be !
.....and then offer to lead them.

What volume of space does each of these individual Wallmart thermometer measurements represent?
Even if You just go straight up at the same place it gets 6.5 deg K cooler for every 1000 meters.
And that holds true anywhere on earth from sea level up to 11 klicks Altitude.

As if adding a set of totally meaningless numbers and dividing the sum by the number of elements would give you a true average...but it will give you a lot of places behind the decimal point, way beyond the actual accuracy of your thermometerr...and behind the decimal place..is where all that fuzz is made.

So what exactly is the average temperature of a column of air where the plugged in radius was what?
and the plugged in height was what?...

These Average Temperature "calculations" are even more stupid than "calculating" the average area of an arbitrary bunch of pyramid cross sections...they follow the same A/H relationship as temperature versus height.

I could prove using the same stupid average method that parts of your car are exceeding the speed limit while others stand perfectly still, and if You continue driving Your car will be disintegrating and the final result will be a catastrophic failure.

The temp drop Polarbear is referring to is called the Adiabatic Lapse Rate.

DRY ADIABATIC LAPSE RATE

 

[polarbear]

The temp drop Polarbear is referring to is called the Adiabatic Lapse Rate.

DRY ADIABATIC LAPSE RATE

Thank You sir, Yes that is correct, but I am trying to avoid words these "experts" probably never even heard. I do hold a pilot`s license and would use that word if I were to discuss this subject with a fellow pilot, as You perhaps are?

I just wanted to show a glimpse into the fantasy world these con artists want to sell you:
actually some of it is pretty cool and does work pretty good, but none of these "Experts" could possibly claim any credits for it:

Problem is, that people like to go when they want to go and where they want to go, so most of these run almost empty even though the "ICE"`s go from almost anywhere to anywhere at pretty impressive speeds inside a very crowded country.
It`s not that easy to force someone to park his Porsche in a no speed limit paradise and foot it to the nearest train station and be there exactly on schedule.
They way to remedy this situation, the "climate change" fraud shows a lot of promise.
It really took off after the former communist Germany took over the West-german BRD...while the entire world thought it was the other way around!
Then this weed inspired idea really sank roots and got traction.
It started with the little plexi glass dome fantasy world , with a heat lamp as a model sun and a thermometer is supposed to serve as a one
dimensional "computer model" for "climate change".
There is no convection, there are no Kilo calories or Btu`s , no entalphy, no specific heat (energy), no heat (energy) of evaporation, no heat (energy) of condensation, no
heat (energy) of crystallization in short thermodynamics don`t exist at all in this crackpot "science", there is only temperature and a reported "average temperature". And not a single one understands a simple IR scan of Carbon dioxide.
And here is a glimpse into this world of half baked ideas, that CNN or the Democrats rather not elaborate further :

http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,736103,00.htm

Frost stoppt die Elektro-Euphorie

Von Tanja Rieckmann
Berlin wird auch in Sachen Elektromobilität zur Hauptstadt.
- wäre da nicht das verflixte Winterwetter, das die E-Pläne bremst.

Was that cold?, not even close by Minnesota, ND, Montana, SD, Wyoming + some more Standards...but everyone who was stupid enough in Berlin to get sucked into the "greener car to save the planet" idiocy was on foot!
The climate Chancellor Merkel?...no she got driven around in a bullet proof chauffeured Mercedes Benz as usual!

 

[polarbear]

@Westwall:
I do not want to employ the same propaganda methodology, as "climate change science" and sequester facts. But I am certain these "scientists" would not have the vaguest idea how to twist this in their favor, so I`ll mention it.
With the plexi- glass dome/heat-lamp/Thermometer + some CO2 they accidentally did hit on something, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Infrared Absorption!

CO2 does have a higher refractive index than air or water vapor. Matter of fact it`s not hard to set up an experiment where You can see that with the "naked eye".
Refractive index of gases 2.5.7

So if You do have this gas in a convex shaped enclosure You do get a lens-effect.
I have seen kids making pop corn out of hapless insects with way less lens than that, maybe some of these kids are now "climatologists".

But in no way can You warm the globe like that. After all outside an enclosed Plexi glass dome the adiabatic laps rate will kick in as soon as the slightly warmer gas starts to rise...and then the stored thermal energy has been expended.
I did try to point this out earlier when I was talking about that people like that should take a glider ride, see what a thermal is and from what a thermal draws its ENORMOUS energy,
Its not from a parking lot with running cars and CO2, but from dark surfaces, especially when some moisture comes into play.
Most people never consider how much lighter water( vapor) is than air...1 G-Mole of H2O weighs only 18 gram while O2=32 and N2=28...To that add that 1 G-mole H2O (I`m quoting from memory, cause I`m too lazy to look it up) eats up >2000 Kjs/kg to evaporate and STORES that amount, but releases the entire shebang again on condensation...
That`s called latent heat...So there is the culprit...it`s NOT CO2!

 

[Big Fitz]

LOL. Do you have any idea of what a millwright does?

They're over-educated and over-priced mechanics/electricians/plumbers that keep an industrial building's facilities and equipment running.

So no, daveman... nothing about climatology there... nor college degrees. Just lots of certificates from technical colleges and ongoing education through the Union that 'counts' as college credit.

They carry only a little more prestige and sobriety than 'building maintenance'.

 

[westwall]

@Westwall:
I do not want to employ the same propaganda methodology, as "climate change science" and sequester facts. But I am certain these "scientists" would not have the vaguest idea how to twist this in their favor, so I`ll mention it.
With the plexi- glass dome/heat-lamp/Thermometer + some CO2 they accidentally did hit on something, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Infrared Absorption!

CO2 does have a higher refractive index than air or water vapor. Matter of fact it`s not hard to set up an experiment where You can see that with the "naked eye".
Refractive index of gases 2.5.7

So if You do have this gas in a convex shaped enclosure You do get a lens-effect.
I have seen kids making pop corn out of hapless insects with way less lens than that, maybe some of these kids are now "climatologists".

But in no way can You warm the globe like that. After all outside an enclosed Plexi glass dome the adiabatic laps rate will kick in as soon as the slightly warmer gas starts to rise...and then the stored thermal energy has been expended.
I did try to point this out earlier when I was talking about that people like that should take a glider ride, see what a thermal is and from what a thermal draws its ENORMOUS energy,
Its not from a parking lot with running cars and CO2, but from dark surfaces, especially when some moisture comes into play.
Most people never consider how much lighter water( vapor) is than air...1 G-Mole of H2O weighs only 18 gram while O2=32 and N2=28...To that add that 1 G-mole H2O (I`m quoting from memory, cause I`m too lazy to look it up) eats up >2000 Kjs/kg to evaporate and STORES that amount, but releases the entire shebang again on condensation...
That`s called latent heat...So there is the culprit...it`s NOT CO2!

Yes I am a pilot as well. The other thing their silly "experiments" measure is the Ideal Gas Laws specifically how increasing pressure will raise the temperature of the gas. I hadn't even thought of the lensing effect you bring up but that too (now that it's pointed out to me) would certainly have an effect.

 

[polarbear]

Yes I am a pilot as well. The other thing their silly "experiments" measure is the Ideal Gas Laws specifically how increasing pressure will raise the temperature of the gas. I hadn't even thought of the lensing effect you bring up but that too (now that it's pointed out to me) would certainly have an effect.

I thought so! And now I know, that You would be also familiar with the lens effect which can be observed with the "naked eye", cause You surely have seen that more than once when You approach a large city at certain altitudes. "Smog domes", almost perfectly shaped. The condition that`s causing it is commonly called an inversion layer, which kind of conceals the fact that You are looking at something which has a different refractive index from the surrounding atmosphere.

let me add this, it has nothing to do with CO2 "science" but everything with the methodology and to what extreme You can stretch credibility to make the most outlandish assertions:
http://www.dbem.ws/FeelingFuture.pdf
Prof. Daryl Bem, Cornell University has succeeded to prove that humans do have "ESP", given the right emotional conditions, they can tell what You or I are looking at behind a curtain. With normal photos the score is only between 49.4 and 51.3 %, but with porno
they score 53.1%. Yes statistically the difference is indeed significant, but more significant is how research is deteriorating to ever lower levels.
Hard to decide what is more retarded, calculating "average" temperature or averages like Daryl Bem @ Cornell

 

[polarbear]

@westwall
As a pilot you stake your life every day, relying on the concept that science is supposed to be
exact, else it just isn`t science and will never find it`s way into the flight deck..
But unless You also work in R & D , You`ld never know why the term "recent studies show"
or "a recent study showed" has become the most popular method to state Your case
and preceds almost every sensational "scientific" announcement today.
That concept has been cooked up by lawyers and I am not kidding (!!!!) and it works like that.
Example, "recent studies showed" dietary fiber reduces the overall "D" Cholesterol.
Although every chemist can prove, that this is total bullshit, there is nothing You can do about it.
"Recent studies showed"....means EXACTLY that...You can conduct a whole series of
experiments, none of which yielded the AVERAGES You were looking for, then as it must
eventually happen a coin toss average will yield "statistically significant" more heads than tails.
It is entirely legal (!!!!!!) to stop your series of experiments right there, publish this result
and say nothing at all about all the other ones.
Don`t believe me?....ask a lawyer!
"Climatologists" need not ask, they know that full well and blatantly take advantage of it
every day....else it would be quite easy to nail the entire cluster fuck for fraud.

 

[polarbear]

I suspected that the instant he started talking. He proved it by posting pictures of satellite weather imagery claiming it's temperature data when it's obviously cloud cover.

shoots his mouth off, but has no idea about latent heat and what immense thermal energy he is looking at when You show him "a picture of a cloud"...as an infrared image.
@westwall....why don`t You take him for a ride into a towering CB with an anvil head on top.
I`ld like to see if after that, he thinks what more often than not looks on Doppler not much different than an IR "picture of cloud" was just a picture "of a cloud".
Why don`t You:

look at a color enhanced IR "picture of a cloud" and compare it with a Doppler image of the same "cloud" before You shoot Your stupid mouth off!

What the F@@< do You think is the energy source, that showed up in that Infrared "picture of a cloud"?
If the storage "capacitor" was not H2O vapor, what the f... is it then? CO2????

By the way, when dry hot air cools it shrinks only by 1/273 rd per degree Kelvin.
When water vapor gets below the dew point, it releases ALL the latent solar (heat) energy it took to evaporate enough water to flood an entire state and shrinks by a factor of about 22000 to 18 .....that`s what I call a "trigger effect", not this .00x +or- blah blah CO2and +.0000shitcrapaveragetemperatureincrease
If it were not for that "insignificant little detail" in a mere "picture of a cloud" in both IR and water vapor did show You, but You were not able to comprehend, there would not be any Tornadoes, Cyclones or Tayphoons You idiot!
Ever wrapped Your little head around how much (heat) energy you can see with "a picture of a cloud"...?....I guess not!

 

[polarbear]

I was just contemplating an "ignore list" here and that`s why I looked for garbage just like that. Here is Your typical "climate change" freak:

You can show him Sat-images taken at total darkness with passive infrared and he has no idea what that should have to do with Infrared Absorption, or thermal energy.
Or what latent heat is and where it came from if it was not from absorbed infrared, (absorbed by H2O not CO2) and has been stored, waiting to unleash it... staring right into his stupid face....and he thinks he was just was looking at "a picture of a cloud".
Which showed in fact the equivalent energy in a dozen thermonuclear warheads as an image, that a mere drop of 1 degree below the dew point can trigger!

All You have to do is copy and paste any page from a Physics or Chemistry book into here and You can accumulate as many "I hate You" points as You are looking for....which can prove the point I am trying to make better than Physics & Chemistry could, how they argue their case!
Under which rock did "Old Rocks" crawl?
By the way, the thermal energy pie slice in that "picture" of a cloud, that can be assigned to the 4000whocareswhatmaunaluamoisturecorrectedmolarppmCO2 in there amounts to no more thermal energy than is in my zippo-lighter...that`s why the analogy I made with the lighter heating up the Chicago hockey arena in the Winter was at that scale absolutely correct, if You actually do the math.
And now I`m going to light my cigar with my zippo and hope it freaks all of the "recent studies showed, 2.hand smoke causes cancer" assholes out as well!

 

[westwall]

I suspected that the instant he started talking. He proved it by posting pictures of satellite weather imagery claiming it's temperature data when it's obviously cloud cover.

shoots his mouth off, but has no idea about latent heat and what immense thermal energy he is looking at when You show him "a picture of a cloud"...as an infrared image.
@westwall....why don`t You take him for a ride into a towering CB with an anvil head on top.
I`ld like to see if after that, he thinks what more often than not looks on Doppler not much different than an IR "picture of cloud" was just a picture "of a cloud".
Why don`t You:

look at a color enhanced IR "picture of a cloud" and compare it with a Doppler image of the same "cloud" before You shoot Your stupid mouth off!

What the F@@< do You think is the energy source, that showed up in that Infrared "picture of a cloud"?
If the storage "capacitor" was not H2O vapor, what the f... is it then? CO2????

By the way, when dry hot air cools it shrinks only by 1/273 rd per degree Kelvin.
When water vapor gets below the dew point, it releases ALL the latent solar (heat) energy it took to evaporate enough water to flood an entire state and shrinks by a factor of about 22000 to 18 .....that`s what I call a "trigger effect", not this .00x +or- blah blah CO2and +.0000shitcrapaveragetemperatureincrease
If it were not for that "insignificant little detail" in a mere "picture of a cloud" in both IR and water vapor did show You, but You were not able to comprehend, there would not be any Tornadoes, Cyclones or Tayphoons You idiot!
Ever wrapped Your little head around how much (heat) energy you can see with "a picture of a cloud"...?....I guess not!

I follow that very old adage "there is never a reason to fly into a thunderstorm in peacetime!"

 

[westwall]

Yes I am a pilot as well. The other thing their silly "experiments" measure is the Ideal Gas Laws specifically how increasing pressure will raise the temperature of the gas. I hadn't even thought of the lensing effect you bring up but that too (now that it's pointed out to me) would certainly have an effect.

I thought so! And now I know, that You would be also familiar with the lens effect which can be observed with the "naked eye", cause You surely have seen that more than once when You approach a large city at certain altitudes. "Smog domes", almost perfectly shaped. The condition that`s causing it is commonly called an inversion layer, which kind of conceals the fact that You are looking at something which has a different refractive index from the surrounding atmosphere.

let me add this, it has nothing to do with CO2 "science" but everything with the methodology and to what extreme You can stretch credibility to make the most outlandish assertions:
http://www.dbem.ws/FeelingFuture.pdf
Prof. Daryl Bem, Cornell University has succeeded to prove that humans do have "ESP", given the right emotional conditions, they can tell what You or I are looking at behind a curtain. With normal photos the score is only between 49.4 and 51.3 %, but with porno
they score 53.1%. Yes statistically the difference is indeed significant, but more significant is how research is deteriorating to ever lower levels.
Hard to decide what is more retarded, calculating "average" temperature or averages like Daryl Bem @ Cornell

Yes it can be very pronounced. I used to live in Ventura and would fly down to Burbank from time to time and following the route of Highway 118 dropping into the San Fernando Valley from Simi Valley the smog would form a perfect dome over the city ending about three blocks from the 118.

 

[polarbear]

Yes it can be very pronounced. I used to live in Ventura and would fly down to Burbank from time to time and following the route of Highway 118 dropping into the San Fernando Valley from Simi Valley the smog would form a perfect dome over the city ending about three blocks from the 118.

Perfect "lens effect" Exampe!
And at the same time if the sun is still up they ALWAYS record higher temperatures under the smog dome
than just outside of it. Meteorologists think nothing of it, to them that`s common knowledge.
In aviation, it`s common knowledge as well.Except for most people inside the "smog dome" on the ground it is not. They just sweat it out.

These "dome bubbles" behave remarkably similar to a water vapor bubble when You put a
bunsen burner under a glass beaker filled with water.
They sit there and grow then "tear loose" and rise, and so do these smog domes.
Same thing, that "tearing loose" happens also without smog out in the open country.
You know it as "CAT"...clear air turbulence, and how violent it can be...
seems to come out of nowhere!...But it was one of these "bubbles" that tore loose.

I just wanted to go into something else here about CO2, that has yet not been researched which is a shame. But with Nitrogen it has been and is in every Physics book what solar radiation does with it.
Again "environmentalists" want to know none of it, because it debunks the entire
Ozone hole dooms day theory.
Alpha particles do score direct hits on Nitrogen Atoms, which yields at first a Fluorene Atom with a rather short half life time. That undergoes fission and leaves us with Oxygen as
an Oxygen radical, which in turn reacts with molecular Oxygen to form Ozone.
Happens all over the atmosphere except much less frequent over the Poles,
because charged particles can`t continue in a magnetic field, like over the poles
and spiral around it instead...so, You get an Ozon hole, the size depends on the
current field strentgh the earth`s magnetic field and solar activity.

But "environmentalists" have sold the public on the idea that the Ozone hole is
man made....and ever since I have never seen the Nitrogen Oxygen cycle
on any exam question in Physics any more.
Used to be almost a standard question.

The research I wanted to do, was to see what alpha radiation does to Carbon Dioxide.
I know from Mass Spectrometers how little Energy it takes to smash the Molecule.

No way would any Campus set resources aside...but hey if You want to
research if a guy watching porno behind a curtain sends out brainwaves
for that,....hey how much do You want and what do You need...NO PROBLEM!


I also want to comment on the Aristotle quote, You selected. Somehow over the last 2 decades that got twisted to if enough people believe me I can assert whatever I want.

 

[polarbear]

@Westwall
Sir, I did mention earlier, that all You have to do, is copy and paste a Physics book page and publish it on the internet and You get all the hate mail You want.
Here is an example which You will have no problem to understand, because as a pilot You do know the difference between myth and science, else You would no longer be alive.
I took in purpose the oldest Physics book I have on my shelf and scanned this in and uploaded it in my forum album:

Allow me to translate, and I assure You I shall not twist any words:

Illustration #197 shows a nuclear process which CAN also happen with the bombardment of Nitrogen Atoms with alpha particles

CAN HAPPEN...not could happen or might be happening...German is a very precise language, the word CAN is in this Sentence, because You are implying You scored a direct hit on a Nitrogen Atom! Which happens all the time with the alpha fraction of solar radiation and atmospherical Nitrogen...as Dr.Danilov did prove...I`ll get to him later.

...and where instead of a Proton initially only a Neutron is emitted, which yields the radioactive Fluorene Isotope 9-F-17, which later decays into the Oxygen 8-O-17 Isotope

And I`ll take it from there, because even "environmentalists" "agree" that atomar Oxygen a.k.a. an Oxygen Radical immediately combines with molecular Oxygen to form Ozone (O3).

Dr.Danilov proved that this is indeed happening at the outer atmosphere layer and some of us suggested him for the Nobel Prize later when his assertion successfully passed all scrutiny.
By then it was too late. The "environment science" started to use the bullhorn and news media method and no way would a guy like this ever get a nobel prize.

The last few publications You can find from Dr.Danilov is one of these:

NATURE| VOL 415| 14 FEBRUARY 2002|Nature Publishing Group : science journals, jobs, and information
717
Faced with continuing attacks and threats from radical environmental and animal-rights groups, scientists increasingly find themselves lumped in with an odd assortment of societal targets — from fast-food restaurants to mink ranchers to second- hand car dealers — branded as agents of global capitalism and eco- destruction.. They have reduced the world’s complexity to a few simple manifestos, and have traded debate for intimidation.
Precautions need to be taken to protect researchers threatened by violent pressure groups. But open access to information
and public accountability need to be sustained in the face of determined anti-rationality.
14 February 2002 Volume 415 Issue no 6873

And neither "climatologists" nor "climatologists" need worry any longer about Dr.Danilov, because that`s where he is now:

NEAR: Russian scientist Danilov, jailed for espionage, appeals to European Court

Russian scientist Danilov, jailed for espionage, appeals to European Court

Valentin Danilov, the Russian scientist sentenced to 14 years for espionage, has filed an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. His lawyer stated: “We have turned to the European Court to protect Danilov’s rights. The claim concerns the violation of four provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Dr. Danilov, was sentenced to 14 years in a maximum-security prison on November 2004. The scientist, former head the Thermo-Physics Center at Krasnoyarsk State Technical University, was arrested in February 2001 after being accused of selling top secret satellite information to a Chinese company. Dr. Danilov has consistently maintained that this information has been available in scientific journals and had been declassified for over 10 years. The fraud charges are linked to his payment in cash to contractors working on the research project. Although, making payments in cash does violate financial regulations, it is not an infraction that usually merits jail time in Russia.

International observers at the time (see related NEAR Alerts) expressed concern with the guilty verdict and the stiff sentencing. They claimed that Dr. Danilov's case is part of government campaign to intimidate scientists from seeking out foreign contacts and commercializing their research. There were also some procedural concerns. According to Dr. Danilov's defence attorney, the judge framed the central questions to consider to the jurors in such a way as to avoid the issue of whether the information used in the research was, in fact, secret.
Alert - Russia
Date: 08 January 2006
Source: Moscow News
Classification: Media Article
Violation: Prison Sentence
Affected Persons: Valentin Danilov

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@Westwall, Sir would You be so kind?
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Thank You in advance from a fellow pilot
Punch a hole into the sky!

 

[polarbear]

Yes one might argue, that a lot of previously "well behaved" scientists have turned into "science whores" and some call the likes of Dr.Danilov just that.
Well a guy does have to make a living. And if You cut his budget because he found out that the Ozone holes are not man made, or "climate change" that is precisely what will happen.

Keep it up and then the best job opportunities for high caliper scientists will be in Iran!
Not because they like their ideology, but You get paid almost as much as researching brainwaves while watching porno or reading rectal thermometers at Mauna Lua.

And that`s the only "scientists" You will be left with!
You know what`s going to happen to this country`s technology then?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdxdLjbgCPs&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdxdLjbgCPs&feature=related[/ame]

I`m pretty sure he :

knows where that was, he probably did a tour of duty there!

Well You :

can keep Your flashlight battery powered "green cars"...won`t matter to You they slow down if You push the cigarette lighter, cause You`d not even smoke a cigar if You wife gave birth to a boy...cause in a gay marriage there`s no chance of that either!

 

[westwall]

@Westwall
Sir, I did mention earlier, that all You have to do, is copy and paste a Physics book page and publish it on the internet and You get all the hate mail You want.
Here is an example which You will have no problem to understand, because as a pilot You do know the difference between myth and science, else You would no longer be alive.
I took in purpose the oldest Physics book I have on my shelf and scanned this in and uploaded it in my forum album:

Allow me to translate, and I assure You I shall not twist any words:

Illustration #197 shows a nuclear process which CAN also happen with the bombardment of Nitrogen Atoms with alpha particles

CAN HAPPEN...not could happen or might be happening...German is a very precise language, the word CAN is in this Sentence, because You are implying You scored a direct hit on a Nitrogen Atom! Which happens all the time with the alpha fraction of solar radiation and atmospherical Nitrogen...as Dr.Danilov did prove...I`ll get to him later.

...and where instead of a Proton initially only a Neutron is emitted, which yields the radioactive Fluorene Isotope 9-F-17, which later decays into the Oxygen 8-O-17 Isotope

And I`ll take it from there, because even "environmentalists" "agree" that atomar Oxygen a.k.a. an Oxygen Radical immediately combines with molecular Oxygen to form Ozone (O3).

Dr.Danilov proved that this is indeed happening at the outer atmosphere layer and some of us suggested him for the Nobel Prize later when his assertion successfully passed all scrutiny.
By then it was too late. The "environment science" started to use the bullhorn and news media method and no way would a guy like this ever get a nobel prize.

The last few publications You can find from Dr.Danilov is one of these:

NATURE| VOL 415| 14 FEBRUARY 2002|Nature Publishing Group : science journals, jobs, and information
717
Faced with continuing attacks and threats from radical environmental and animal-rights groups, scientists increasingly find themselves lumped in with an odd assortment of societal targets — from fast-food restaurants to mink ranchers to second- hand car dealers — branded as agents of global capitalism and eco- destruction.. They have reduced the world’s complexity to a few simple manifestos, and have traded debate for intimidation.
Precautions need to be taken to protect researchers threatened by violent pressure groups. But open access to information
and public accountability need to be sustained in the face of determined anti-rationality.
14 February 2002 Volume 415 Issue no 6873

And neither "climatologists" nor "climatologists" need worry any longer about Dr.Danilov, because that`s where he is now:

NEAR: Russian scientist Danilov, jailed for espionage, appeals to European Court

Russian scientist Danilov, jailed for espionage, appeals to European Court

Valentin Danilov, the Russian scientist sentenced to 14 years for espionage, has filed an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. His lawyer stated: “We have turned to the European Court to protect Danilov’s rights. The claim concerns the violation of four provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Dr. Danilov, was sentenced to 14 years in a maximum-security prison on November 2004. The scientist, former head the Thermo-Physics Center at Krasnoyarsk State Technical University, was arrested in February 2001 after being accused of selling top secret satellite information to a Chinese company. Dr. Danilov has consistently maintained that this information has been available in scientific journals and had been declassified for over 10 years. The fraud charges are linked to his payment in cash to contractors working on the research project. Although, making payments in cash does violate financial regulations, it is not an infraction that usually merits jail time in Russia.

International observers at the time (see related NEAR Alerts) expressed concern with the guilty verdict and the stiff sentencing. They claimed that Dr. Danilov's case is part of government campaign to intimidate scientists from seeking out foreign contacts and commercializing their research. There were also some procedural concerns. According to Dr. Danilov's defence attorney, the judge framed the central questions to consider to the jurors in such a way as to avoid the issue of whether the information used in the research was, in fact, secret.
Alert - Russia
Date: 08 January 2006
Source: Moscow News
Classification: Media Article
Violation: Prison Sentence
Affected Persons: Valentin Danilov

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@Westwall, Sir would You be so kind?
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Thank You in advance from a fellow pilot
Punch a hole into the sky!

Yes no problem. I have been following the case for awhile. My favourite physics textbook is from 1927 (also Deutsch) so I agree with you on that too!

 

[Big Fitz]

I was just contemplating an "ignore list" here and that`s why I looked for garbage just like that. Here is Your typical "climate change" freak:

You can show him Sat-images taken at total darkness with passive infrared and he has no idea what that should have to do with Infrared Absorption, or thermal energy.
Or what latent heat is and where it came from if it was not from absorbed infrared, (absorbed by H2O not CO2) and has been stored, waiting to unleash it... staring right into his stupid face....and he thinks he was just was looking at "a picture of a cloud".
Which showed in fact the equivalent energy in a dozen thermonuclear warheads as an image, that a mere drop of 1 degree below the dew point can trigger!

All You have to do is copy and paste any page from a Physics or Chemistry book into here and You can accumulate as many "I hate You" points as You are looking for....which can prove the point I am trying to make better than Physics & Chemistry could, how they argue their case!
Under which rock did "Old Rocks" crawl?
By the way, the thermal energy pie slice in that "picture" of a cloud, that can be assigned to the 4000whocareswhatmaunaluamoisturecorrectedmolarppmCO2 in there amounts to no more thermal energy than is in my zippo-lighter...that`s why the analogy I made with the lighter heating up the Chicago hockey arena in the Winter was at that scale absolutely correct, if You actually do the math.
And now I`m going to light my cigar with my zippo and hope it freaks all of the "recent studies showed, 2.hand smoke causes cancer" assholes out as well!

Please, go ahead and ignore me. I really don't give a fuck. But figured you should at least feel I noted your ravings and cared enough to send the very least. Cute touch putting my avatar in the message, pointless but cute.

 

[polarbear]

The man made Ozone hole was exactly the same swindle as the man made "climate change".
But the ozone hole has fallen with "environmentalists" out of favor, 'cause it went back to
small aperture over a long time period.
I should have perhaps mentioned, that UV radiation is responsible for the chief production
of Ozone. It`s just that the N-->F---<O>--->O3 adds to it.
With the spectral fraction of the UV that produces Ozone, that is also vastly reduced
at the shallow angle of incidence and the resulting path length by the time the poles
are irradiated...so You will always have less Ozone there as anywhere else.

But that`s how this junk science works! As soon as the results diverge from
the outlandish assertions there is total silence.
Was so with Mercury pollution, Ozone, acid rain etc etc.

And it was as soon as this kind of "science" was acceptable, that a lot of
other swindles that really do pose a risk to the public have been buried
with the "recent studies" showed method...now margarine is healthier than butter
and there are alledgedly no free radicals in irradiated food, and so on and on.

...While You can show with ESR that these still exist a year later after food has been
irradiated.

But the Midway Magicians have the public`s eyes looking at "average temperatures"
and CO2 levels reported in a way that is totally ridiculous...while this "magic statistical average science" makes "better than butter margarine" and "chocolate" out of pig grease.
and convinced the public that eating pretty well the same stuff that comes out
of a paper mill reduces cholesterol.....as also "most scientists agree".

And now exactly the same way as "butter will kill You" the public is brainwashed to
opt for electric toy cars because a few wiffs of CO2 will doom the planet .
....and continue to pay a premium for pig grease "chocolate"!

 

[konradv]

Total silence over the CFC-ozone problem?!?! What are we supposed to do, gloat? The problem was identified; a solution was crafted; the results were positive; scientists were proven right. Problem solved! We're not living in the past. There's more work to be done, like debunking the Global Cooling hoaxers.

 

[polarbear]

Total silence over the CFC-ozone problem?!?! What are we supposed to do, gloat? The problem was identified; a solution was crafted; the results were positive; scientists were proven right. Problem solved! We're not living in the past. There's more work to be done, like debunking the Global Cooling hoaxers.

O.K. then pay the witch doctor for the rain dance!
Because the Fluorohydrocarbons are still there!

You just fell for the oldest trick in the chemical industry. Dupont`s Patent protection ran out ~ 1980 and they had to come up with a "new" refrigerant...better?...no!, in fact inferior....who do You think helped fund the Ozone hole "research" ?....Al Gore?
And now anyone can make Freon derivatives...and they do! But You HAVE to buy a fridge that`s using Dupont`s new refrigerant!
There are more CFC`s made worldwide today than ever before!

The pharmaceutical industry pulls the same sack over Your head shortly before the patent expires and the new one has been approved, they report side effects in the old one.

People like You fall for the same b.s. over and over again...we know that since the DDT patents expired and everybody fell for the thin bird egg shell panic...

And now You have your inferior, more expensive Thio and Oxo-Amine derrivatives Pesti/Insecticides + You got Malaria back as the #2 WHO health problem.
Stupidity does indeed have a high price!

Grant You though, when Weyerhouser and cohorts wanted to push their new PATENTED bleaching Process which now produces Dioxins instead of " planetary Mercury contamination", as used to be from the Mercury Chlorine Electrodes...Idiots just like You said exactly the same thing as with the CFC`s and continue smiling while the dentist plugs Your cavities with Mercury Amalgam same as ever!

How naive can You be?....You just showed me!
Do You have any fillings like that in Your mouth?
Mercury & Lead + some other heavy metals do have a retardation effect on brains...look it up in the Merck index....but guess what...there is indeed "a recent study that showed"...that only Grignard type Hg compounds like Methylmercurychloride has that effect on You...and You believed that too!
So I`m not surprised about You at all.
All it takes is to go on TV and spit into a beer glass till it`s full then drink it, and remind You, that You are doing exactly the same disgusting thing every few seconds...
After that I can sell all the spittoons I want !
That` how easy it is to manipulate people like You!
Go choke on that You @$$hole!