97 percent myth

[Crick]

YES. I would not even bring it up but for the complaint you have lodged involving me.

I did so in a private conversation and I would say it was completely settled at this point. Just as an FYI, we are not supposed to talk about the contents of private conversations in public posts.

 

[Robert W]

I did so in a private conversation and I would say it was completely settled at this point. Just as an FYI, we are not supposed to talk about the contents of private conversations in public posts.

I spoke of the complaints here on this public forum.

 

[Crick]

I spoke of the complaints here on this public forum.

That's fine by me, I just didn't want you surprised by any moderator comments. Why don't we carry on with our Environment-oriented conversations?

 

[Robert W]

Let me introduce Elon Musk to this topic given what he says mirrors my own statements.

I am against alarmism.
I believe in Earth.
I believe climate is not a single climate, but many many climates.
Climate is in perpetual change.
I believe blaming humans is short sighted. It hints strongly that a few published men are so knowledgeable the issue as said by Gore is settled. It seems not to be settled by me. Not settled by famous climate scientists.
Again on this hockey stick.

Illustrated correctly it is a long term X Axis with a very very small change to the Y axis.
2 or 3 or 4 degrees C is not significant. So far the duty of the alarmists is to prove their case.

So far they run on a single track. The track of CO2 and how powerful is the impact.

 

[Crick]

Let me introduce Elon Musk to this topic given what he says mirrors my own statements.

Elon Must is not a climate scientist.

I am against alarmism.

Please define alarmism and explain why you're against it.

I believe in Earth.

What does that mean?

I believe climate is not a single climate, but many many climates.

What bearing do you believe that has on AGW?

Climate is in perpetual change.

Yes. And...

I believe blaming humans is short sighted.

Why?

It hints strongly that a few published men are so knowledgeable the issue as said by Gore is settled. It seems not to be settled by me. Not settled by famous climate scientists.

Robert, you have taken the word of a few men. I am taking the word of thousands of them.

Again on this hockey stick.

Illustrated correctly it is a long term X Axis with a very very small change to the Y axis.
2 or 3 or 4 degrees C is not significant. So far the duty of the alarmists is to prove their case.

On what basis do you say that 2 or 3 or 4 degrees is not significant? The world's scientists disagree with you wholeheartedly.

So far they run on a single track. The track of CO2 and how powerful is the impact.

CO2, deforestation, methane leakage, nitrous oxide.

I have to go. More later.

 

[Robert W]

Elon Must is not a climate scientist.

Please define alarmism and explain why you're against it.

What does that mean?

What bearing do you believe that has on AGW?

Yes. And...

Why?

Robert, you have taken the word of a few men. I am taking the word of thousands of them.

On what basis do you say that 2 or 3 or 4 degrees is not significant? The world's scientists disagree with you wholeheartedly.

CO2, deforestation, methane leakage, nitrous oxide.

I have to go. More later.

Elon Musk really is able to travel widely and express his views and be listened to in many countries.
I think you know Alarmism very well. When you post you engage in alarmism.
Many climates are not suited to this bit of magic called averaging. And this is the sum of what we are told is wrong. The average is too high.
It is wrong to blame man due to the outcome will be that using magic, man will learn to control climate. I know the Earth is far too massive for this to happen. Man would have to control many many things that impact climate and as you see yourself, even controlling one factor, a helpful gas, is not being well received by most of man. I think you disclosed a mere 27 percent believe they are to blame and that they can control climate.

I have taken the word of dozens of climate scientists and also some economists who have different ideas than shoving this myth of Carbon dioxide down our throats.

If several degrees C was significant, then Death Valley would shut down every summer since it heats up far more than 4 degrees C. We would not live a regular life. We wake up and it might be 28 degrees and 6 hours later it is 20 degrees hotter. All with no adverse impacts.

What is the common talk? Don't you believe it to be Carbon Dioxide? How can methane be controlled? And what can be done about nitrous oxide? And your solutions are what precisely?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Don't be ignor

Too late!

 

[Oddball]

Just saying it's crap doesn't mean shit. What you need is some evidence. Your problem is that there isn't any because these numbers are facts.

From your link

The graphic below comes via our friends at skepticalscience, assuring us that while 97% of "climate scientists think that global warming is 'significantly' due to human activity," a shocking 72% of news coverage does not reflect this "consensus" and similarly 74% of the public are not convinced.​

Here is the actual graphic from Skeptical Science

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The Skeptical Science article examined the disconnect between what scientists actually believe, what the news reports and what the public thinks. There is no doubt that an overwhelming majority of climate scientists accept that the Earth is warming and that the primary cause is human GHG emissions.

Don't you find it a little embarrassing that with over 21 studies on the topic available for review, AGW deniers CONSISTENTLY single out a single, small scale study, done over twenty years ago, that statistically was completely valid? The problem is that the general public and, apparently AGW deniers in particular, are grossly unfamiliar with the tenets of statistical sampling. And then there's their propensity to just lie.

Ooooo....Pretty colored charts!

Your "97%" will never ever not be a total lie.

 

[Robert W]

A recent paper on predicting the future of Planet Earth is here in this link.
It brings up that the IPCC went way past the reasonable predictions and used faulty figures. This includes pretty charts and so forth.

Calm Down. Your children will not fry due to climate.

“Realistic” global warming projections for the 21st century

by Nicola Scafetta My new paper demonstrates that realistic emissions scenarios and climate sensitivity values & scenarios of natural climate variability produce more realistic, non-alarming s…

judithcurry.com

 

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[Crick]

Elon Musk really is able to travel widely and express his views and be listened to in many countries.

I think that Elon Musk is not as brilliant as many people think he is. I think he has experienced success due to the odd responses between the public and Ausberger's Syndrome, from which he suffers. I know of no rason whatsoever that I would seek him out for his opinions on global warming.

I think you know Alarmism very well. When you post you engage in alarmism.

If I warn you of a real threat, is that alarmism? I am utterly convinced that AGW is a real threat. I am not attempting to unduly alarm anyone. I am attempting to alarm as many people as I can to a real threat to all our wellbeing.

Many climates are not suited to this bit of magic called averaging. And this is the sum of what we are told is wrong. The average is too high.

I'm sorry Robert, but that simply indicates you don't understand some basics. In many branches of science, but particularly in thermodynamics and heat transfer (non-equilibirum thermo), it is important when you first address a problem to identify the system boundaries. You can put them anywhere you like but there are advantages to some locations and disadvantages to others. You will need to be able to determine the energy and mass contents of the system and you will need to be able to determine the energy and mass flux across the boundaries. If you want to look at something that is affecting the entire Earth, like global warming, you put your boundaries around the entire planet. We calculate the mass and energy content of the planet and we determine the mass and energy flux into and out of the planet. That is how one first addresses global warming. When you want to get down into the weeds and see how global warming will affect northern China or the Indian Ocean or the American midwest, you can get into regional system boundaries. But if you just want to look at what is happening to the world as a whole, you put your boundaries at the top of the atmosphere and you go to town. There is nothing wrong with such an approach.

It is wrong to blame man due to the outcome will be that using magic, man will learn to control climate.

Who is responsible for all the concrete in the world Robert? Man. Who is responsible for all the trains, planes and automobiles in the world Robert? Man. Who has built every dam in the world Robert? Man. Who has removed billions and billions of tons of fish from the sea, Robert? Man. Who has bred crops and cattle and sheep to feed the world? Man. And who has pulled trillons of tons of coal and trillions of barrels of oil out of the ground and burned it for its energy Robert? Man. No one else.

I know the Earth is far too massive for this to happen.

No, Robert, you do not know that. You probably think it but you are simply wrong.

Man would have to control many many things that impact climate and as you see yourself, even controlling one factor, a helpful gas, is not being well received by most of man.

Man burned fossil fuel and spewed CO2 into the air for over a hundred years before it was given a second thought.

I think you disclosed a mere 27 percent believe they are to blame and that they can control climate.

I have no recollection of saying anything about 27% and I have never, ever suggested that ANYONE can "control" the climate. We've had this out before. Don't accuse me of saying something unless you know for a fact that I said it Robert.

More than 99% of climate scientists believe that man is responsible and I am quite certain that they are the folks most likely to be correct on this particular question.

I have taken the word of dozens of climate scientists and also some economists who have different ideas than shoving this myth of Carbon dioxide down our throats.

The conclusion of the IPCC and the conclusions of the vast majority of the world's climate scientists are not myths and no one is shoving them down your throat. They are treating them as important facts upon which your well being and the well being of the rest of the human race depend.

If several degrees C was significant, then Death Valley would shut down every summer since it heats up far more than 4 degrees C.

Robert, Death Valley warming by two degrees is not the same as the world warming by two degrees. Death Valley is a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of the planet. And if, over the weekend, Death Valley warms by two degrees, other places will cool by the same amount.

We would not live a regular life. We wake up and it might be 28 degrees and 6 hours later it is 20 degrees hotter. All with no adverse impacts.

Robert, have you had an aquarium? A pet lizard? An animal living in an enclosed space? If so, the enclosure had a thermometer and a means of maintaining specific temperatures. Why would that be Robert if life can take huge temperature swings without harm? Because it cannot. There is a difference between a hot day through which you have to travel from your air conditioned car to your air conditioned house and a hot day from which you cannot escape, from which no relief is available to you. People do die from too much heat and too little.

What is the common talk?

I have no idea what you mean by "common talk"

Don't you believe it to be Carbon Dioxide? How can methane be controlled? And what can be done about nitrous oxide? And your solutions are what precisely?

Don't employ rhetoric unless you have some reason to do so. We all know the solution. Stop emitting GHGs as rapidly as possible.

 

[Crick]

Ooooo....Pretty colored charts!

Your "97%" will never ever not be a total lie.

My god are you stupid.

 

[Oddball]

My god are you stupid.

FY, liar.

 

[Crick]

A recent paper on predicting the future of Planet Earth is here in this link.

I'm sorry Robert but I think the work of the hundreds of active scientists of the IPCC and the thousands of active scientists whose published work they assess is far, far, far more likely to be correct than is the opinion of one, retired, inactive, unemployed scientist.

It brings up that the IPCC went way past the reasonable predictions and used faulty figures.

I think it is Judith Curry that has made mistakes here. Please explain to me why you think you should believe her and reject the thousands of other scientists - scientists still actively conducting research on this topic - who disagree with her at just about every level. Why? What makes you think she deserves that much credit or that all those thousands of other scientists could ALL be wrong?

This includes pretty charts and so forth.

Robert, take my word that I am not attempting to insult you when I tell you that that was an exceptionally stupid remark.

Calm Down. Your children will not fry due to climate.

I think you need to give a little more thought, before you post, as to how your comments are going to be received. Don't tell me to calm down, Robert, particularly with regards to the safety and well being of my children. Ever. Do you understand?

 

[Oddball]

Liar, liar, pantsonfuckingfire!

Putting the 'con' in consensus; Not only is there no 97 per cent consensus among climate scientists, many misunderstand core issues: op-ed

In the lead-up to the Paris climate summit, massive activist pressure is on all governments, especially Canada’s, to fall in line with the global warming agenda and accept emission targets that could seriously harm our economy.

www.fraserinstitute.org

Climate scientists just debunked deniers' favorite argument | Dana Nuccitelli

Dana Nuccitelli: And in the process, illustrated the difference between skepticism and denial

www.theguardian.com

The myth of the 97% climate change consensus

What is the origin of the false belief – constantly repeated by President Obama, the media and others – that almost all scientists agree about global warming? Claims continue to be made that “97% o…

wattsupwiththat.com

Debunking The 97% Climate Consensus Myth Touted By Activists, Media

The idea that 97% of scientists agree that mankind is causing the Earth to warm is not just a myth, it is pure propaganda relentlessly pushed by activists.

climatechangedispatch.com

Is the Science Settled? The 97% Climate Consensus Myth

Do 97% of scientists really agree in catastrophic global warming? We read this popularly cited climate change study so you don't have to.

lifepowered.org

The Myth of the Climate Change '97%'

climatechangedispatch.com

 

[Crick]

Liar, liar, pantsonfuckingfire!

For god's sake how fucking OLD are you? 8?

Putting the 'con' in consensus; Not only is there no 97 per cent consensus among climate scientists, many misunderstand core issues: op-ed

In the lead-up to the Paris climate summit, massive activist pressure is on all governments, especially Canada’s, to fall in line with the global warming agenda and accept emission targets that could seriously harm our economy.

www.fraserinstitute.org

Climate scientists just debunked deniers' favorite argument | Dana Nuccitelli

Dana Nuccitelli: And in the process, illustrated the difference between skepticism and denial

www.theguardian.com

The myth of the 97% climate change consensus

What is the origin of the false belief – constantly repeated by President Obama, the media and others – that almost all scientists agree about global warming? Claims continue to be made that “97% o…

wattsupwiththat.com

Debunking The 97% Climate Consensus Myth Touted By Activists, Media

The idea that 97% of scientists agree that mankind is causing the Earth to warm is not just a myth, it is pure propaganda relentlessly pushed by activists.

climatechangedispatch.com

Is the Science Settled? The 97% Climate Consensus Myth

Do 97% of scientists really agree in catastrophic global warming? We read this popularly cited climate change study so you don't have to.

lifepowered.org

The Myth of the Climate Change '97%'

climatechangedispatch.com

You are SOooooo fucking stupid.

 

[JBG]

The real agenda of the so called glow-ball warming/chump change marxists is already well known. The statist left is now left with no smoke & mirrors or camoflage to mask their real intent to form a one world g'ment without borders scam.

They are attacking affluence. Except that their lives are comfortable, thank you.

 

[Crick]

They are attacking affluence. Except that their lives are comfortable, thank you.

They are attempting to slow and stop GHG emssions. Can you deny that?

 

[ding]

They are attempting to slow and stop GHG emssions. Can you deny that?

Are GHG emissions still increasing?

 

[Crick]

Are GHG emissions still increasing?

Have they stopped?