5 Reasons Israel Is Losing the Public Relations Battle

[P F Tinmore]

Tinmore:
Do you have any documentation showing when Israel acquired land and established borders?
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I believe it's in the Israeli constitution.

Israel does not have a constitution either.

 

[irosie91]

do you have any documentation as to how and when saudi arabia "ACQUIRED LAND"?

 

[georgephillip]

What do you know for sure about Jews who collaborated with those who killed six million Jews?

I know this: you have failed to provide even one credible source for that claim (perhaps because there are none) while I have provided a dozen about those who actually did. Here's a few more:

Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You provided the source for my claim about (Zionist) Jews in Palestine who offered to collaborate with Nazi genocide:

"In 1940, Lehi, a militant Zionist group founded by Avraham ('Yair') Stern, proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany.

"It offered assistance in transferring the Jews of Europe to Palestine, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandatory Palestine.

Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Were you home-schooled?

 

[irosie91]

Stern did not COLLABORATE in the genocide georgie----he reacted to people of your genocidal ilk by tring to make deals to SAVE PEOPLE Stern was extremely active against people of your ilk in his attempt to save people to the extent that he was willing to make deals with people of your ilk because people of your ilk function thru THUGGISH DEALS. The mafia functions a bit like people of your ilk In the sense that he was willing to communicate with people of your ilk, he was considered very very radical

 

[georgephillip]

What do you know for sure about Jews who collaborated with those who killed six million Jews?

"In 1940, Lehi, a militant Zionist group founded by Avraham ("Yair") Stern, proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in transferring the Jews of Europe to Palestine, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandatory Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik went to Beirut to meet German official Werner Otto von Hentig (who also was involved with the Haavara or Transfer Agreement, which had been transferring German Jews and their funds to Palestine since 1933).

"Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations. This proposed alliance with Nazi Germany cost Lehi and Stern much support."

Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Get it, Golda?
Jews offering to help Hitler kill Jews.
Makes racists like you feel like goose-stepping, right?

They did no such thing. Read your own post.
They did not offer to help kill Jews you lying Nazi slug.
Nazis are always trying to mitigate the crimes of their forefathers.

Yitzhak Shamir and Avraham Stern offered to kill the British on behalf of the Nazi war effort.
In spite of their knowledge of Hitler's Holocaust.
'Guess that makes you the (home-schooled) slug, Nazi.

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[georgephillip]

Stern did not COLLABORATE in the genocide georgie----he reacted to people of your genocidal ilk by tring to make deals to SAVE PEOPLE Stern was extremely active against people of your ilk in his attempt to save people to the extent that he was willing to make deals with people of your ilk because people of your ilk function thru THUGGISH DEALS. The mafia functions a bit like people of your ilk In the sense that he was willing to communicate with people of your ilk, he was considered very very radical

Wrong way, Rosie...the Jewish State has some skeletons in its closet:

"Shamir was not a great thinker. In his teens he joined the right-wing Zionist youth organization of Vladimir Jabotinsky in Poland, and since then he did not change his world-view one iota. In this respect he was absolutely immovable. He wanted a Jewish state in all of the historical country. Period. No nonsense about Arabs and such..."

"In the summer of 1940 the Irgun split. One of the commanders, Avraham Stern, founded the organization known to the British as the 'Stern Gang'. (Eventually it was called LEHI, acronym for Fighters for the Freedom of Israel.)

"Stern was a logical person. The aim was to set up a Jewish state in all of Palestine. The enemy was the British Empire. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Therefore we must cooperate with the Nazis. He sent several emissaries to contact the Germans. Some were intercepted by the British, the others were ignored by the Nazis.

"I could not accept this atrocious logic and did not join, though the temptation was there. Shamir did."

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

BTW, are you calling for a Jewish State on all of historical Israel?

 

[docmauser1]

[size="2']Do you have any documentation showing when Israel acquired land and established borders?[/size][/i][/quote][font="times new roman"]Why? Did palistanians have any of both?[/font]

 

[P F Tinmore]

[size="2']Do you have any documentation showing when Israel acquired land and established borders?[/size][/i][/quote][font="times new roman"]Why? Did palistanians have any of both?[/font]

They do.

 

[docmauser1]

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Yeah, counterpunch drivel.

 

[docmauser1]

[size="2']Do you have any documentation showing when Israel acquired land and established borders?[/size][/i][/quote][font="times new roman"]Why? Did palistanians have any of both?[/font]

They do.

Cool. Any land deeds and international border agreements?

 

[SAYIT]

Stern did not COLLABORATE in the genocide georgie----he reacted to people of your genocidal ilk by tring to make deals to SAVE PEOPLE Stern was extremely active against people of your ilk in his attempt to save people to the extent that he was willing to make deals with people of your ilk because people of your ilk function thru THUGGISH DEALS. The mafia functions a bit like people of your ilk In the sense that he was willing to communicate with people of your ilk, he was considered very very radical

Wrong way, Rosie...the Jewish State has some skeletons in its closet:

"Shamir was not a great thinker. In his teens he joined the right-wing Zionist youth organization of Vladimir Jabotinsky in Poland, and since then he did not change his world-view one iota. In this respect he was absolutely immovable. He wanted a Jewish state in all of the historical country. Period. No nonsense about Arabs and such..."

"In the summer of 1940 the Irgun split. One of the commanders, Avraham Stern, founded the organization known to the British as the 'Stern Gang'. (Eventually it was called LEHI, acronym for Fighters for the Freedom of Israel.)

"Stern was a logical person. The aim was to set up a Jewish state in all of Palestine. The enemy was the British Empire. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Therefore we must cooperate with the Nazis. He sent several emissaries to contact the Germans. Some were intercepted by the British, the others were ignored by the Nazis.

"I could not accept this atrocious logic and did not join, though the temptation was there. Shamir did."

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

BTW, are you calling for a Jewish State on all of historical Israel?

Again nothing you've posted supports your claim that Jews collaborated in the Holocaust which was perpetrated by your Nazi forebears.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why? Did palistanians have any of both?

They do.

Cool. Any land deeds and international border agreements?

They did.

 

[docmauser1]

They do.

Cool. Any land deeds and international border agreements?

They did.

Signed by sheikh Moshe Dayan?

 

[Jos]

Again nothing you've posted supports your claim that Jews collaborated in the Holocaust which was perpetrated by your Nazi forebears.

Transfer Agreement - Home Page

The Transfer Agreement stunned readers worldwide with its revelations of a pact between Zionist leaders and Hitler's Third Reich. Concluded in 1933, this controversial pact transferred 55,000 Jews and $100 million to Palestine on the condition that Zionist organizations call a halt to their economic boycott of Nazi Germany -- a potent tactic that was threatening to topple Hitler's government, then only in its first year in power. The debate over this controversial deal virtually tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era, and it remains unresolved today. Whereas the transfer agreement indeed ultimately saved lives, rescued assets, and helped lay the foundation for what would become the Jewish state in 1948, it also -- arguably -- allowed the Nazi regime to survive its first year and, over the next twelve, to plumb the depths of ethnic intolerance and implement massive genocide. With the world today confronting such morally complex issues as the compensation for slave labor during the Holocaust and the refusal of Swiss banks to return Jewish assets to their rightful heirs, the transfer agreement and the boycott that preceded it stand out even more startlingly as early examples of Jewish initiatives against Nazi terror. However ambiguous the choices made by the Jewish leaders in the turbulent prewar 1930s, they stand in a new and different light today. The Transfer Agreement is a remarkable and revelatory book that has now found its time.

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/The-Transfer-Agreement-Dramatic-Palestine/dp/0786708417[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Yeah, counterpunch drivel.

Written by...

"Uri Avnery (Hebrew: אורי אבנרי*, also transliterated Uri Avneri, born 10 September 1923) is an Israeli writer and founder of the Gush Shalom peace movement.

"A member of the Irgun as a teenager, Avnery sat in the Knesset from 1965–74 and 1979–81.[1] He was also the owner of HaOlam HaZeh, an Israeli news magazine, from 1950 until it closed in 1993.

"He is famous for crossing the lines during the Siege of Beirut to meet Yassir Arafat on 3 July 1982, the first time the Palestinian leader ever met with an Israeli. Avnery is the author of several books about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including 1948: A Soldier’s Tale, the Bloody Road to Jerusalem (2008); Israel’s Vicious Circle (2008); and My Friend, the Enemy (1986)."

Uri Avnery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[irosie91]

Referring to the "TRANSFER AGREEMENT" as collaboration is something
like calling paying a ransom for a kidnapped child with a knife to its little throat
"COLLABORATING WITH THE KIDNAPPERS"

 

[Jos]

In 1941, Yitzhak Shamir committed "an unforgivable crime from the moral point of view: he preached an alliance with Hitler, with Nazi Germany, against Great Britain."

Ben Gurion, Israel's first head of State, declared outright to the "Labor" Zionists on December 7th 1938 :

"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."

IIA - The Myths of Zionist Anti-Fascism

 

[irosie91]

Making a deal with a murderer so that the murderer does not murder your children is not "COLLABORATION' unless its your children-----then you are more guilty than the murderer yourself Making deals with murderers ----however-----is never a good idea Paying ransoms and paying blackmailers is not a good idea-------but calling it COLLABORATION is nuts

 

[georgephillip]

Stern did not COLLABORATE in the genocide georgie----he reacted to people of your genocidal ilk by tring to make deals to SAVE PEOPLE Stern was extremely active against people of your ilk in his attempt to save people to the extent that he was willing to make deals with people of your ilk because people of your ilk function thru THUGGISH DEALS. The mafia functions a bit like people of your ilk In the sense that he was willing to communicate with people of your ilk, he was considered very very radical

Wrong way, Rosie...the Jewish State has some skeletons in its closet:

"Shamir was not a great thinker. In his teens he joined the right-wing Zionist youth organization of Vladimir Jabotinsky in Poland, and since then he did not change his world-view one iota. In this respect he was absolutely immovable. He wanted a Jewish state in all of the historical country. Period. No nonsense about Arabs and such..."

"In the summer of 1940 the Irgun split. One of the commanders, Avraham Stern, founded the organization known to the British as the 'Stern Gang'. (Eventually it was called LEHI, acronym for Fighters for the Freedom of Israel.)

"Stern was a logical person. The aim was to set up a Jewish state in all of Palestine. The enemy was the British Empire. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Therefore we must cooperate with the Nazis. He sent several emissaries to contact the Germans. Some were intercepted by the British, the others were ignored by the Nazis.

"I could not accept this atrocious logic and did not join, though the temptation was there. Shamir did."

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

BTW, are you calling for a Jewish State on all of historical Israel?

Again nothing you've posted supports your claim that Jews collaborated in the Holocaust which was perpetrated by your Nazi forebears.

Twice I've posted proof from a link you provided.
Maybe you're just too fucking stupid to notice?

"In 1940, Lehi, a militant Zionist group founded by Avraham ('Yair') Stern, proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in transferring the Jews of Europe to Palestine, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandatory Palestine.

"Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik went to Beirut to meet German official Werner Otto von Hentig (who also was involved with the Haavara or Transfer Agreement, which had been transferring German Jews and their funds to Palestine since 1933).

"Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations. This proposed alliance with Nazi Germany cost Lehi and Stern much support."

Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

Again nothing you've posted supports your claim that Jews collaborated in the Holocaust which was perpetrated by your Nazi forebears.

Transfer Agreement - Home Page

The Transfer Agreement stunned readers worldwide with its revelations of a pact between Zionist leaders and Hitler's Third Reich. Concluded in 1933, this controversial pact transferred 55,000 Jews and $100 million to Palestine on the condition that Zionist organizations call a halt to their economic boycott of Nazi Germany -- a potent tactic that was threatening to topple Hitler's government, then only in its first year in power. The debate over this controversial deal virtually tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era, and it remains unresolved today. Whereas the transfer agreement indeed ultimately saved lives, rescued assets, and helped lay the foundation for what would become the Jewish state in 1948, it also -- arguably -- allowed the Nazi regime to survive its first year and, over the next twelve, to plumb the depths of ethnic intolerance and implement massive genocide. With the world today confronting such morally complex issues as the compensation for slave labor during the Holocaust and the refusal of Swiss banks to return Jewish assets to their rightful heirs, the transfer agreement and the boycott that preceded it stand out even more startlingly as early examples of Jewish initiatives against Nazi terror. However ambiguous the choices made by the Jewish leaders in the turbulent prewar 1930s, they stand in a new and different light today. The Transfer Agreement is a remarkable and revelatory book that has now found its time.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/The-Transfer-Agreement-Dramatic-Palestine/dp/0786708417]Amazon.com: The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine (9780786708413): Edwin Black, Abraham H. Foxman: Books[/ame]

And that still does not support GeorgePhillips claim that Jews collaborated in the Holocaust which was perpetrated by your Nazi forebears. Try again.