2012: Obama Wins. Now what?

[blastoff]

If Obama's reelected I'll be engaged skating over hell while keeping an eye out for airborne pigs.

 

[mskafka]

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

We've already seen what Obama can do when he has Super Majorities...we've seen what he can do when he doesn't.

With the Super Majorities he passed ObamaCare, probably the worst piece of legislation ever crafted in our nation's history (Thanks Harry & Nancy!) and the Obama Stimulus, which managed to spend a trillion dollars and have unemployment go up.

Without the Super Majorities he's managed to do nothing for two years.

So what is it exactly that you folks on the Left are expecting if Obama "does" get reelected? What magical change is going to take place that makes his next four years any less of a cluster you know what than the last four? Is he going to be any better at choosing the people around him? Is he going to get rid of Geithner and Holder? Is he going to change his belief that you can spend your way out of a recession or that European socialism is the model that we should be emulating? Is he suddenly going to forge a working relationship with those across the aisle after blaming them for everything that isn't working? What's going to CHANGE that's going to make Barack Obama an effective President?

Sorry, folks but I don't see it. Obama has a huge amount of money to throw at a reelection campaign and he still has the main stream media in his back pocket. That being said...when people stand in a voting booth come next November they're going to have to ask themselves one simple question and that is...if I reelect Barack Obama...what solutions does he have to our problems? It's been evident that our President ran out of ideas about a year and a half ago when the stimulus didn't work. Why would you give someone another term that ran out of solutions half way through his first?

And the election of a Republican will magically make it all go away?

What would we get from a Republican sweep of the White House and Congress?

We only have to look back three years to Bush/Cheney

After all....the GOP wasn't involved in the insider trading (sarcasm). No wonder Mr. Boehner was crying on cue on the camera, when it came time to sign that first stimulus bill into law. It wouldn't have had anything to do with $elf-intere$t....would it?

If we have a GOP and DEM senate and house (in whichever order) after the elections over the next few years, Bozo the Clown could be president, and he would have as much power as Romney, Gingrich, Obama...or whomever.

 

[peach174]

Re Elect Obama and we will go bankrupt.
At least repubs had a 6 trillion dollar cut in ten years.

 

[Salt Jones]

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

It ain't a threat, it's a promise.

Obama had his chance, and he wasted it. A president is going to accomplish whatever he's going to accomplish inhis first two years. Those are done and gone for Obama.

Really? Have a link to back up your statement?

 

[Dot Com]

Re Elect Obama and we will go bankrupt.
At least repubs had a 6 trillion dollar cut in ten years.

You mean that plan to cut aid to the elderly & poor w/o a dime coming from millionaires/billionaires? THAT plan

 

[Stephanie]

The GOP will need 67 votes in the Senate to over ride any BHO veto.

That won't happen next year.

Then NOTHING will get done until obama surrenders. If he refuses to play ball, he will be seen as the obstructionist and insure a Republican will occupy the White House for a good long time.
But why are we even arguing this?

Ain't gonna happen.

You don't get it..

Republicans don't have a ball to play. As the public remains sour on Congress and it's unwillingness to help people in need, Obama will be looked at as the only one in the room looking out for them
Republicans in Congress takes sides against Obama....they will lose

An 8% approval rating will do that

Unfortunately, that is the sick twisted thinking of the people in this country today.
Can't make it on their OWN, gotta have a Politician take care of you..

 

[Salt Jones]

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

We've already seen what Obama can do when he has Super Majorities...we've seen what he can do when he doesn't.

With the Super Majorities he passed ObamaCare, probably the worst piece of legislation ever crafted in our nation's history (Thanks Harry & Nancy!) and the Obama Stimulus, which managed to spend a trillion dollars and have unemployment go up.

Without the Super Majorities he's managed to do nothing for two years.

So what is it exactly that you folks on the Left are expecting if Obama "does" get reelected? What magical change is going to take place that makes his next four years any less of a cluster you know what than the last four? Is he going to be any better at choosing the people around him? Is he going to get rid of Geithner and Holder? Is he going to change his belief that you can spend your way out of a recession or that European socialism is the model that we should be emulating? Is he suddenly going to forge a working relationship with those across the aisle after blaming them for everything that isn't working? What's going to CHANGE that's going to make Barack Obama an effective President?

Sorry, folks but I don't see it. Obama has a huge amount of money to throw at a reelection campaign and he still has the main stream media in his back pocket. That being said...when people stand in a voting booth come next November they're going to have to ask themselves one simple question and that is...if I reelect Barack Obama...what solutions does he have to our problems? It's been evident that our President ran out of ideas about a year and a half ago when the stimulus didn't work. Why would you give someone another term that ran out of solutions half way through his first?

Because the republican candidates are weak, fumbling and unable to win. You can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If Obama is reelected in 2012, I hope he can provide single-payer health insurance for all. Single-payer - not just a Public Option.

He rejected that concept when he came out with his plan.


When he was working his HC plan, no single-payer proponent was even in the room!

This is one of those areas where many of his former supporters lost confidence in the guy, actually.

You Teabaggers need to get outta your bunkers, more often.​

August 19, 2008

Obama Says Single-Payer Health Care Makes Sense​

October 11, 2011​

"If president Obama is reelected within a year or two he’ll throw his hands in the air and say, ‘it’s not working we have to go to a single payer system."

Orrin Hatch Predicts​

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-ufbliqp0]Insurers Will Stop at Nothing to Prevent Vermont Single Payer - Wendell Potter Interview - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvaEjYorAd8]Analysis by Wendell Potter: A single payer system for Vermont - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI]BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxNhOBemsic]Q&A: T.R. Reid - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[mskafka]

Respectfully....can someone reveal to me how Obama is bankrupting the country? Is he involved in the insider trading as well? If so.....he should be impeached. But that hasn't come to light yet, and it seems as though if this were going on, we would have heard about this LONG ago. He has continued the wars that were started in 2001 and 2003 respectively. I seem to recall the first stimulus bill getting overwhelming support from both parties. Mr. Boehner was quite touching and convincing.



He's been accused of not having an American birth certificate, rubbing elbows with domestic terrorists, being a Muslim (Lord knows that we can't have that), inexperienced, socialist... What am I missing?

I guess it just depends on who the president is. If one doesn't like the president, everything's his fault. If one DOES like the president, it's congress and the house's fault. We all learned in high school civics class (at the least) that the President only has so much power.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So let's say the unthinkable happens and Obama wins re-election (G-d forbid). He is sworn in in January 2013 (Heaven forbid) and serves another 4 years (L-rd save us). Now what?
The Congress will go over to the GOP, having the lowest ratings in years. What will Obama do for 4 years? He is the most compromised president in history. He doesn't have a shred of credibility with the GOP, having demonized them for over 4 years. He has proven he cannot work with them. He has proven he ignores all advice contrary to his own ideas (see, Simpson-Bowles). He is unable to get a single piece of legislation through Congress. And his regulatory moves are blocked by Congressional action.
Is that really the formula for success? Gridlock?
No, Obama is unable to govern. The Dems need to choose someone else as a sacrificial lamb.

That would mean the implementation of policies that are known job killers. This admin will take those favorite power grabs and remove the hold he has them on.

Business will continue to flounder. Without Obama fucking things up it is expected to take another 5 to 7 years just to get back to even, that wont happen with Obamas reelection.

therefore instead of fighting the idiots I will retire.

Shouldn't you consider putting more effort into completing Jr. High School, first?

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[Dot Com]

Looks like the Repubs are going to be stuck w/ pulling the lever for Romney(care) The big question for me is which bums will be tossed out of Congress

 

[ba1614]

Respectfully....can someone reveal to me how Obama is bankrupting the country. Is he involved in the insider trading as well? If so.....he should be impeached. But that hasn't come to light yet, and it seems as though if this were going on, we would have heard about this LONG ago.

He's been accused of not having an American birth certificate, rubbing elbows with domestic terrorists, being a Muslim (Lord knows that we can't have that), inexperienced, socialist... What am I missing?

I guess it just depends on who the president is. If one doesn't like the president, everything's his fault. If one DOES like the president, it's congress and the house's fault. We all learned in high school civics class (at the least) that the President only has so much power.

It doesn't matter what obama does, it's excused away. Rezko anyone?

 

[Stephanie]

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

They're in the "I hope America Fails" crowd like WillowTree et al. She gets all her news from breitbart.tv for cryin out loud LOLOL

wow, little nasty and boring dear.
I do believe we are all SICK TO DEATH of hearing this, We hope American fails...If that's the case we could say the same for you on the left WHEN BUSH WAS in office

 

[peach174]

Re Elect Obama and we will go bankrupt.
At least repubs had a 6 trillion dollar cut in ten years.

You mean that plan to cut aid to the elderly & poor w/o a dime coming from millionaires/billionaires? THAT plan

The plan that reformed Medicare for the future ones who won't have anything if something is not reformed.
It never effected the ones who are on it now.
It is the dems who have cut 500 billion from Medicare and capped Doctor's pay. Doctor's are dropping new Medicare patients because of the new health care plan.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Bush was absolutely the worst President in American history. He IS what failure looks like.

.....And, it's all been....

....DOCUMENTED!!!!

(....The bane o' Teabaggers; nation-wide!)

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Ah you guys need pictures..

This is what failure looks like...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haQzdW7hg4A]Classic Bush - What Mistakes? - YouTube[/ame]

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[Oldstyle]

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

We've already seen what Obama can do when he has Super Majorities...we've seen what he can do when he doesn't.

With the Super Majorities he passed ObamaCare, probably the worst piece of legislation ever crafted in our nation's history (Thanks Harry & Nancy!) and the Obama Stimulus, which managed to spend a trillion dollars and have unemployment go up.

Without the Super Majorities he's managed to do nothing for two years.

So what is it exactly that you folks on the Left are expecting if Obama "does" get reelected? What magical change is going to take place that makes his next four years any less of a cluster you know what than the last four? Is he going to be any better at choosing the people around him? Is he going to get rid of Geithner and Holder? Is he going to change his belief that you can spend your way out of a recession or that European socialism is the model that we should be emulating? Is he suddenly going to forge a working relationship with those across the aisle after blaming them for everything that isn't working? What's going to CHANGE that's going to make Barack Obama an effective President?

Sorry, folks but I don't see it. Obama has a huge amount of money to throw at a reelection campaign and he still has the main stream media in his back pocket. That being said...when people stand in a voting booth come next November they're going to have to ask themselves one simple question and that is...if I reelect Barack Obama...what solutions does he have to our problems? It's been evident that our President ran out of ideas about a year and a half ago when the stimulus didn't work. Why would you give someone another term that ran out of solutions half way through his first?

And the election of a Republican will magically make it all go away?

What would we get from a Republican sweep of the White House and Congress?

We only have to look back three years to Bush/Cheney

Well, let's take Wisconsin as an example of a political change effecting things. Under a Democratic Governor and a Democratically controlled State House, Wisconsin was looking at a 3 billion dollar deficit and either massive tax increases or layoffs of government employees.

The voters elected a Republican Governor and State House and in less than two years that deficit has been erased, the State has a balanced budget, taxes were not raised (and from all reports will actually be lowered this year) and no teachers, cops or firefighters were laid off.

What would we get from a Republican sweep? Fiscal sanity?

The better question is what would we get from another four years of Barack Obama?

 

[spectrumc01]

Watch what is going on in Egypt right now. If that were to happen in the US, conservative Republicans would be equal to the Egyptian military right now, telling the protesters to go home and than expecting them to go. When the protesters don't, we here in the US support them, and even encourage them, talking about the rights of the people. When it comes to the OWS protesters the conservative Republicans have a totaly opposite reaction. They support violence against the protesters here saying the protesters asked for it by not going home when told.

How does this fit this thread you ask?

If Obama is re-elected the OWS protesters will maintain this level of disruption. If Republicans are elected to the WH I would expect Egyptian type protests across the US.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So let's say the unthinkable happens and Obama wins re-election (G-d forbid). He is sworn in in January 2013 (Heaven forbid) and serves another 4 years (L-rd save us). Now what?
The Congress will go over to the GOP, having the lowest ratings in years. What will Obama do for 4 years? He is the most compromised president in history. He doesn't have a shred of credibility with the GOP, having demonized them for over 4 years. He has proven he cannot work with them. He has proven he ignores all advice contrary to his own ideas (see, Simpson-Bowles). He is unable to get a single piece of legislation through Congress. And his regulatory moves are blocked by Congressional action.
Is that really the formula for success? Gridlock?
No, Obama is unable to govern. The Dems need to choose someone else as a sacrificial lamb.

Well, I suspect in a second term, he'd be completely ineffective.

No POTUS has really ever had a good second term.

Clinton; ANOTHER Record Budget $urplu$!!

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[Salt Jones]

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

We've already seen what Obama can do when he has Super Majorities...we've seen what he can do when he doesn't.

With the Super Majorities he passed ObamaCare, probably the worst piece of legislation ever crafted in our nation's history (Thanks Harry & Nancy!) and the Obama Stimulus, which managed to spend a trillion dollars and have unemployment go up.

Without the Super Majorities he's managed to do nothing for two years.

So what is it exactly that you folks on the Left are expecting if Obama "does" get reelected? What magical change is going to take place that makes his next four years any less of a cluster you know what than the last four? Is he going to be any better at choosing the people around him? Is he going to get rid of Geithner and Holder? Is he going to change his belief that you can spend your way out of a recession or that European socialism is the model that we should be emulating? Is he suddenly going to forge a working relationship with those across the aisle after blaming them for everything that isn't working? What's going to CHANGE that's going to make Barack Obama an effective President?

Sorry, folks but I don't see it. Obama has a huge amount of money to throw at a reelection campaign and he still has the main stream media in his back pocket. That being said...when people stand in a voting booth come next November they're going to have to ask themselves one simple question and that is...if I reelect Barack Obama...what solutions does he have to our problems? It's been evident that our President ran out of ideas about a year and a half ago when the stimulus didn't work. Why would you give someone another term that ran out of solutions half way through his first?

And the election of a Republican will magically make it all go away?

What would we get from a Republican sweep of the White House and Congress?

We only have to look back three years to Bush/Cheney

Well, let's take Wisconsin as an example of a political change effecting things. Under a Democratic Governor and a Democratically controlled State House, Wisconsin was looking at a 3 billion dollar deficit and either massive tax increases or layoffs of government employees.

The voters elected a Republican Governor and State House and in less than two years that deficit has been erased, the State has a balanced budget, taxes were not raised (and from all reports will actually be lowered this year) and no teachers, cops or firefighters were laid off.

What would we get from a Republican sweep? Fiscal sanity?

The better question is what would we get from another four years of Barack Obama?

The answer is; you are going to get another 4 years of Barack Obama as president. So, steel your soul and fight or get the fuck out of the way.