2012: Obama Wins. Now what?

[Dot Com]

Republicans will take the Senate and lose the House

They will pull the same Tea Bagging nonsense they do now crafting bills that please their base but have no chance of even making it to Obamas desk

Until they learn to legislate like adults, nothing will be passed

You really mean "legislating like liberals".

Hint to Republicans...

When every bill you propose starts with "Repeal Obamacare" you are not going to get much accomplished

Thats the average conservative baser for you

 

[spectrumc01]

Total bunk.
The GOP controls the House. Last I checked the Senate was under Democratic control, and stopping most GOP measures.
Obama would face a Congress heavily Republican, and not inclined to work with him, as the Congress was under Bush (hint: who wrote No Child Left Behind?).
No president has been re elected with such lousy economic numbers. And they are getting worse. Obama's solutions have all failed, and all he can do is propose more of them.

So.....can we finally concede that Rick Perry is a non-factor?

That leaves us with Romney, who even the Republicans have to hold their nose to back. Obama is still much more popular than any Republican right now. Romney can't pull numbers against the bunch of stiffs he is running against.....he won't do anything against Obama

Once Obama is reelected, and he will be, what cards do the Republicans have? The Bush tax cuts are DOA given the current animosity between the parties. No way they get extended unless you have something to deal. What do Republicans have to deal? Another threatened government shutdown? That card has already been played twice.....how many more times do Repubs think they can play it?

You dont get it. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, she will win. If they nominate Santorum he will win. If they nominate Bozo the Clown, he would win.
Obama is the worst president in history. He is the worst world leader since Idi Amin.

In a Time Magazine poll, Hilary Clinton scored on average 22pts. higher thant all of the GOP candidates. She isn't even running, and she's not a Republican. The GOP is truly in dire staights.

 

[WillowTree]

Well? What will you do? Complain and shout hyperbolic things for another four years?

You mean exactly the way you liberalmoronscowshitters did? Sounds like a plan stan.

 

[rightwinger]

As we have the last 3 years.

Sorry that overnight, Obama didn't fix the 8-years-in-the-making clusterfuck that Bush left us with.

Three years with a filibuster proof majority is not overnight, sweet cheeks.
Bush solved the Clinton recession within 18 months. This is the longest recession in history.

You can't name a single year in which Obama had a filibuster proof majority

Bush entered with a budget surplus, a world at peace Anne a stock market at 10750

He left running up $5 trillion in debt, two bungled wars and a stock market at 8150.......also an economy losing 700,000 jobs a month

 

[WillowTree]

Same old threat Republicans have used for the last three years

If you do not get rid of Obama......we will obstruct the government till he is gone

Obama must FAIL....Part II

That sounds like the best plan yet.. STOP being OBstruct..

 

[WillowTree]

I disagree with most of the original posts premises:

- Obama winning isn't unthinkable. It is eminently imaginable: Obama as president in 2013 would not be unimaginably different from the President Obama of 2009-11. It is not unlikely either-- Intrade gives him better than even odds.

- Congress cannot "go over to the GOP", since it is already more under their control than it is under Democratic control. Republicans have a strong majority in the House which can only go down, and they might even lose majority (~27% odds on Intrade). They probably will take the Senate (~74% odds) but will almost certainly not have a filibuster-proof majority. Congress's approval ratings are low, but Republicans have even lower ratings than Democrats.

- Democrats don't need another candidate. Obama has by far the largest odds of reelection and is the most popular elected official in the country by a wide margin. You clearly don't like him, but the Democratic voters who would choose a nominee have no reason to reject him.

- Obama is in very little danger of seeing his veto routinely overridden. GWB became incredibly unpopular and yet while his vetoes were overridden four times, none of these were on major or publicly controversial bills.

Regardless of who is elected President in 2012, fewer major pieces of legislature will be passed than will have been in Obama's first term. Important pieces such as the patent law or the food safety law will still be passable, and major pieces may be passed in response to crises. There's no reason to believe that a Hillary or a Mitt would have more legislative success than Obama would.

Oh,, but another four years is unimaginable.. to anyone but an extremely left wing lunatic. this past four years has been a nightmare, he's divided the people of America between class, race and economics.. I can't imagine any American wanting four more years of that shit.

 

[Toro]

I expect a Republican sweep next year but I wouldn't be too surprised if Obama won and Republicans took Congress.

But this would probably reflect the unreality in which Americans are currently living. They want spending cut, just not on spending that affects them or on defense. And they want taxes raised, but not on themselves, just on the rich and corporations.

So this muddled thinking probably leads us to elect a muddled government, just like we have now.

 

[rightwinger]

Hillary won't run she knows she can't win the black vote and would crush any hope Chelsea has of ever running for any office as a democrat.

Hillary is only part of the story, dumbshit.

The only way that Little Lord Obammyroy can win is playing scorched Earth, which will leave him in no position whatsoever from which to govern.

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

 

[ba1614]

Hillary is only part of the story, dumbshit.

The only way that Little Lord Obammyroy can win is playing scorched Earth, which will leave him in no position whatsoever from which to govern.

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

Everyone should be running scared if the choice is obummer or one of the current gop choices. JMO

 

[JoeB131]

Hillary is only part of the story, dumbshit.

The only way that Little Lord Obammyroy can win is playing scorched Earth, which will leave him in no position whatsoever from which to govern.

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

It ain't a threat, it's a promise.

Obama had his chance, and he wasted it. A president is going to accomplish whatever he's going to accomplish inhis first two years. Those are done and gone for Obama.

 

[Dot Com]

Hillary is only part of the story, dumbshit.

The only way that Little Lord Obammyroy can win is playing scorched Earth, which will leave him in no position whatsoever from which to govern.

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

They're in the "I hope America Fails" crowd like WillowTree et al. She gets all her news from breitbart.tv for cryin out loud LOLOL

 

[Rocko]

Sorry that overnight, Obama didn't fix the 8-years-in-the-making clusterfuck that Bush left us with.

Three years with a filibuster proof majority is not overnight, sweet cheeks.
Bush solved the Clinton recession within 18 months. This is the longest recession in history.

You can't name a single year in which Obama had a filibuster proof majority

Bush entered with a budget surplus, a world at peace Anne a stock market at 10750

He left running up $5 trillion in debt, two bungled wars and a stock market at 8150.......also an economy losing 700,000 jobs a month

The GOP didn't gain the filibuster until Scot Brown won the special election. Democrats had one of the biggest majorities any party has ever had. They passed monumental legislation. They failed.

 

[MarcATL]

Hint to Republicans...

When every bill you propose starts with "Repeal Obamacare" you are not going to get much accomplished

Try getting THAT through their thick scalps!

 

[WillowTree]

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

They're in the "I hope America Fails" crowd like WillowTree et al. She gets all her news from breitbart.tv for cryin out loud LOLOL

Tissue? Asswarp!

 

[Dot Com]

You don't know politics or trade winds do you?

Two months ago would Rabbi have posted this thread? After two months of republican candidates and debates, even the conservatives are seeing the writing on the wall.

How true....

Republicans are running scared. They look at the uninspiring group of candidates and know they have no way of defeating Obama

So what can they do?

Resort to threats of...."You know that if you elect Obama again we will block him from accomplishing anything"

It ain't a threat, it's a promise.

Obama had his chance, and he wasted it. A president is going to accomplish whatever he's going to accomplish inhis first two years. Those are done and gone for Obama.

Just like Roosevelt huh? I think there's going to be a lot of upset people in '12 who will take their rage out on Boehner & Cantor's "do nothing Congress"

 

[mskafka]

Oh yeah...Obama's the biggest problem! Never mind that we have a congress who seems to worry about nothing more than padding their own pockets, with their INSIDER TRADING. And then they shrug it off like it's no big deal. We have a group of spoiled brats who are incapable of making decisions and terrified of not being re-elected, so that they can again do absolutely nothing. And even if he (Obama) does issue an executive order, he will be accused of being a dictator. So he's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't.

Some people just don't get it. There are going to have to be some MAMMOTH changes in our government before we're going to see any major changes. And I don't see it happening in my lifetime. Oh, unless our country collapses. Just keep on voting on those social issues that these criminals are hiding behind...while Bachus buys a ton of put options knowing that our economy is circling the drain. And it was democrats too...not just republicans.

Oh, and there was that productive SEC hearing, after Madoff's $60 billion ponzi scheme came to light, AFTER the SEC being warned for 8 years that this man was undoubtedly a fraud. Not one SEC employee was fired. Why? They were "disciplined". Most of us would have been shown the door after a massive fuck up like that.

Our political system is turning into a three-ring circus with side shows, in this country. And one has to wonder: Does it really matter who the hell is in the White House?

Very disillusioned at this point.

 

[Oldstyle]

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

We've already seen what Obama can do when he has Super Majorities...we've seen what he can do when he doesn't.

With the Super Majorities he passed ObamaCare, probably the worst piece of legislation ever crafted in our nation's history (Thanks Harry & Nancy!) and the Obama Stimulus, which managed to spend a trillion dollars and have unemployment go up.

Without the Super Majorities he's managed to do nothing for two years.

So what is it exactly that you folks on the Left are expecting if Obama "does" get reelected? What magical change is going to take place that makes his next four years any less of a cluster you know what than the last four? Is he going to be any better at choosing the people around him? Is he going to get rid of Geithner and Holder? Is he going to change his belief that you can spend your way out of a recession or that European socialism is the model that we should be emulating? Is he suddenly going to forge a working relationship with those across the aisle after blaming them for everything that isn't working? What's going to CHANGE that's going to make Barack Obama an effective President?

Sorry, folks but I don't see it. Obama has a huge amount of money to throw at a reelection campaign and he still has the main stream media in his back pocket. That being said...when people stand in a voting booth come next November they're going to have to ask themselves one simple question and that is...if I reelect Barack Obama...what solutions does he have to our problems? It's been evident that our President ran out of ideas about a year and a half ago when the stimulus didn't work. Why would you give someone another term that ran out of solutions half way through his first?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The recession ended two years ago.

Yes, and it started December 2007, not January 2009.

You're probably talkin' about the Second one.

Don't forget about the (first) one Lil' Dumbya encouraged.....to get his tax-cuts thru.....​

"Repeatedly, President-elect, and then President, Bush talked about how the economy was in trouble. Arriving in office following the longest continuous economic upturn in generations, President Bush seized on a stock market that had faltered some in the uncertainty following the 2000 Presidential election.

The "bad" economy, he talked about. Again and again. The "bad" economy.

You know what happened as a result?

This, of course, all snowballed."

Lil' Dumbya; Born A Fuck-Up​

 

[rightwinger]

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

We've already seen what Obama can do when he has Super Majorities...we've seen what he can do when he doesn't.

With the Super Majorities he passed ObamaCare, probably the worst piece of legislation ever crafted in our nation's history (Thanks Harry & Nancy!) and the Obama Stimulus, which managed to spend a trillion dollars and have unemployment go up.

Without the Super Majorities he's managed to do nothing for two years.

So what is it exactly that you folks on the Left are expecting if Obama "does" get reelected? What magical change is going to take place that makes his next four years any less of a cluster you know what than the last four? Is he going to be any better at choosing the people around him? Is he going to get rid of Geithner and Holder? Is he going to change his belief that you can spend your way out of a recession or that European socialism is the model that we should be emulating? Is he suddenly going to forge a working relationship with those across the aisle after blaming them for everything that isn't working? What's going to CHANGE that's going to make Barack Obama an effective President?

Sorry, folks but I don't see it. Obama has a huge amount of money to throw at a reelection campaign and he still has the main stream media in his back pocket. That being said...when people stand in a voting booth come next November they're going to have to ask themselves one simple question and that is...if I reelect Barack Obama...what solutions does he have to our problems? It's been evident that our President ran out of ideas about a year and a half ago when the stimulus didn't work. Why would you give someone another term that ran out of solutions half way through his first?

And the election of a Republican will magically make it all go away?

What would we get from a Republican sweep of the White House and Congress?

We only have to look back three years to Bush/Cheney

 

[ba1614]

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

We've already seen what Obama can do when he has Super Majorities...we've seen what he can do when he doesn't.

With the Super Majorities he passed ObamaCare, probably the worst piece of legislation ever crafted in our nation's history (Thanks Harry & Nancy!) and the Obama Stimulus, which managed to spend a trillion dollars and have unemployment go up.

Without the Super Majorities he's managed to do nothing for two years.

So what is it exactly that you folks on the Left are expecting if Obama "does" get reelected? What magical change is going to take place that makes his next four years any less of a cluster you know what than the last four? Is he going to be any better at choosing the people around him? Is he going to get rid of Geithner and Holder? Is he going to change his belief that you can spend your way out of a recession or that European socialism is the model that we should be emulating? Is he suddenly going to forge a working relationship with those across the aisle after blaming them for everything that isn't working? What's going to CHANGE that's going to make Barack Obama an effective President?

Sorry, folks but I don't see it. Obama has a huge amount of money to throw at a reelection campaign and he still has the main stream media in his back pocket. That being said...when people stand in a voting booth come next November they're going to have to ask themselves one simple question and that is...if I reelect Barack Obama...what solutions does he have to our problems? It's been evident that our President ran out of ideas about a year and a half ago when the stimulus didn't work. Why would you give someone another term that ran out of solutions half way through his first?

And the election of a Republican will magically make it all go away?

What would we get from a Republican sweep of the White House and Congress?

We only have to look back three years to Bush/Cheney

"What would we get from a Republican sweep of the White House and Congress?"

If we have the same senate that won't even debate what they are sent, nothing will change.