Zelenskyy steps on his d#$%.

[BackAgain]

You paid them for commiting murder-suicide,

False. The kind of horseshit you’re now. For.

and dead man can't return money. Those money are lost and it was pretty clear from the very beginning.

Nothing you say or think is ever clear. You’re tragically retarded.

 

[ding]

He never said anything about just sitting and waiting. The best thing, he said, is to destroy enemies plans, the next good thing - is to destroy his alliances, third thing - is to destroy his armies and the worst one is to seige cities.

Whatever was NATO's plan - it was ruined, US is losing allies and armies and even American cities are infiltrated by foreigners.


Actually, you are wasting resources. What is much more important - you are wasting them with pretty poor effectiveness.
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Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor.
Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity.
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He said what he said and what he said was clear, and makes sense. War is coming. You best start stocking up.

 

[ding]

Of course we know, how the things will turn out. There will be a big war. That's what happens when great powers violate rules and fight each other.

Sure but you don't know how that will turn out. Rules? This is the jungle. It's Darwinism.

 

[Zavulon]

Yeah, it's so strange that formerly enslaved nations wanted protection from Russia.
They were happy to join NATO, they weren't forced.

Yep. Just wait for their liberation from NATO yoke, and what terrible stories about American occupation they will tell.
And no. It's not about what Poland and Romania wanted (nobody actually cared). It's about what the USA wanted, by inviting them in NATO? It decreased both American wealth and safety.

 

[Zavulon]

Sure but you don't know how that will turn out.

I do know. We shall win.

Rules? This is the jungle. It's Darwinism.

There will be new set of rules established by the victors of the war. And for some decades they will follow those rules.

 

[ding]

I do know. We shall win.

That's what everyone believes.

There will be new set of rules established by the victors of the war. And for some decades they will follow those rules.

There will be anarchy.

 

[Zavulon]

That's what everyone believes.

As they sing in the popular song "The missiles fly away slowly" - "Everyone believes in better, but not everyone has a gasmask".

There will be anarchy.

"Anarchy is the mother of order", as they say. Those, who will establish (or keep) order - will win the war.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yep. Just wait for their liberation from NATO yoke, and what terrible stories about American occupation they will tell.
And no. It's not about what Poland and Romania wanted (nobody actually cared). It's about what the USA wanted, by inviting them in NATO? It decreased both American wealth and safety.

And it made Putin cry.
Poor sad Putin.

 

[Zavulon]

And it made Putin cry.
Poor sad Putin.

Actually, it (first of all - illegal and unprovoked aggression against Serbia) brought Putin in power. And your further actions made his power stronger and more popular among Russians. As a person, Putin benefited from NATO's expansion.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually, it (first of all - illegal and unprovoked aggression against Serbia) brought Putin in power. And your further actions made his power stronger and more popular among Russians. As a person, Putin benefited from NATO's expansion.

And the NATO members who are protected against Russia benefited.

 

[ding]

As they sing in the popular song "The missiles fly away slowly" - "Everyone believes in better, but not everyone has a gasmask".

And some see things as they are.

"Anarchy is the mother of order", as they say. Those, who will establish (or keep) order - will win the war.

My money is on the ones that built the biggest war machine the world has ever known.

 

[Zavulon]

And the NATO members who are protected against Russia benefited.

Actually, not. Being really neutral (or, especially, pro-Russian) was much safer for them. Look at Ukraine. In the nearest future, higly likely, Estonia (and NATO) will face the challenge from Narva People Republic (backed by the Russian Federation).
NATO expansion significantly decreased safety of everyone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually, not. Being really neutral (or, especially, pro-Russian) was much safer for them. Look at Ukraine. In the nearest future, higly likely, Estonia (and NATO) will face the challenge from Narva People Republic (backed by the Russian Federation).
NATO expansion significantly decreased safety of everyone.
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Putin hasn't invaded any of the new NATO members yet. Safer.

 

[Zavulon]

Putin hasn't invaded any of the new NATO members yet. Safer.

Some guys called Ukraine "de facto NATO member". And no, if the USA don't want to defend Kievan Nazies, they won't defend Estonian Nazies either, and some people believe that Putin already started "proxy aggression" against Estona.
Right now, Russian people in Narva (still, formally Estonia) unofficially declared "Narva People Republic" with the simbolic similar to those of Donetsk and Lugansk People Republics. So, right now Estonia (and NATO) face the nice choice: 1) They can agree with demands of equal rights and equal safety for Russians, and it, highly likely, will turn Estonia into another pro-Russian NATO member (like Hungary); 2) They can decide to escalate and send police to arrest those guys (or nazi thugs to kill them). Highly likely it will cause riots and further invasion of Russian Federation. 3) They can do nothing and wait, but highly likely, Russians will increase pressure.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Some guys called Ukraine "de facto NATO member". And no, if the USA don't want to defend Kievan Nazies, they won't defend Estonian Nazies either, and some people believe that Putin already started "proxy aggression" against Estona.
Right now, Russian people in Narva (still, formally Estonia) unofficially declared "Narva People Republic" with the simbolic similar to those of Donetsk and Lugansk People Republics. So, right now Estonia (and NATO) face the nice choice: 1) They can agree with demands of equal rights and equal safety for Russians, and it, highly likely, will turn Estonia into another pro-Russian NATO member (like Hungary); 2) They can decide to escalate and send police to arrest those guys (or nazi thugs to kill them). Highly likely it will cause riots and further invasion of Russian Federation. 3) They can do nothing and wait, but highly likely, Russians will increase pressure.

I agree, no NATO members have been attacked by Putin.

Nazis? Hilarious!

Poor Russia, largest nation on Earth, wets their diaper if a few guys dress up like "Nazis".

You guys used to be somebody, now you're a bunch of little girls.

 

[Ringo]

Poor Russia, largest nation on Earth, wets their diaper if a few guys dress up like "Nazis".

You're the last person who should be talking about wetting yourself.
Judging by the propaganda in the american media, poor americans were constantly wetting themselves while, on the other side of the world, some towell-head types were shouting, “Death to America!”

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're the last person who should be talking about wetting yourself.
Judging by the propaganda in the american media, poor americans were constantly wetting themselves while, on the other side of the world, some towell-head types were shouting, “Death to America!”

Yeah, ok Nazi hunter.

DURR

 

[Zavulon]

I agree, no NATO members have been attacked by Putin.

Sure. Not yet. But some of NATO members are begging for invasion.

Nazis? Hilarious!

The one who laughs last laughs well.

Poor Russia, largest nation on Earth, wets their diaper if a few guys dress up like "Nazis".

It's not about dressing up only. It's more about ideology of racial/cultural/political superiority, and mass-murders of Russians justified and backed by the largest military alliance on our planet.

You guys used to be somebody, now you're a bunch of little girls.

Only paranoids survive. And we have pretty good reasons to be a bit paranoid and shoot them first. They have declared that it's OK to kill Russians. Therefore we decided that their own existence is not OK. It's not about being scared. It's more about determination to eliminate evil things, including both Kievan regime and their foreign masters and emphazation of impossibility of "peaceful coexistence".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure. Not yet. But some of NATO members are begging for invasion.


The one who laughs last laughs well.

It's not about dressing up only. It's more about ideology of racial/cultural/political superiority, and mass-murders of Russians justified and backed by the largest military alliance on our planet.


Only paranoids survive. And we have pretty good reasons to be a bit paranoid and shoot them first. They have declared that it's OK to kill Russians. Therefore we decided that their own existence is not OK. It's not about being scared. It's more about determination to eliminate evil things, including both Kievan regime and their foreign masters and emphazation of impossibility of "peaceful coexistence".

Right.
Anyone who doesn't want Russia to invade must be a Nazi.

Maybe you should cut back on the vodka?
You want to be in shape when Putin sends you to die in Ukraine.

 

[Zavulon]

Right.
Anyone who doesn't want Russia to invade must be a Nazi.

No. Anyone who believe that he have right to discriminate, abuse and kill Russians is a Nazi. We don't invade other countries without pretty good reasons.

Maybe you should cut back on the vodka?
You want to be in shape when Putin sends you to die in Ukraine.

By my military speciality I'm a chemical scout and I speak (more or less) English. He will send me (and people like me) to attack US WMD-sites (or use our WMD) in America. And it might be in your best interests to help me in this job. A sabotage group, however cruel, cause much lesser collateral damage than even a little nuclear warhead.