Zalensky rejects peace....Trump halts all weapons shipments

[Zavulon]

Wow, really? So how did NATO trick Putin into sending Russian into Ukraine to get killed? Did they lure them with Vodka and porn?

No. Russians lived there for centuries. And new, post-Maidan regime started to kill them.

 

[JoeB131]

No. Russians lived there for centuries. And new, post-Maidan regime started to kill them.

Meh, not really. More like they took up arms after their preferred candidate got the boot.

Just like any blue states that took up Arms against Trump would be in trouble. I don't like Trump, but that would be going too far.

 

[Zavulon]

Meh, not really. More like they took up arms after their preferred candidate got the boot.

Just like any blue states that took up Arms against Trump would be in trouble. I don't like Trump, but that would be going too far.

But Northern states who took up Arms against southern secessionists won the war.
Europe was more interested in the victory of South, but they were too far and too weak.

Russians lived on the territory of the Ukraine for centuries (long before Ukrainians were invented). But when there were no discrimination of them - nobody really cared about the government.

 

[MisterBeale]

Meh, not really. More like they took up arms after their preferred candidate got the boot.

It is hilarious watching someone be so ignorant.

 

[JoeB131]

It is hilarious watching someone be so ignorant.

Do by your own map, Ethnic Russians only make up a majority in Crimea.

 

[Zavulon]

Do by your own map, Ethnic Russians only make up a majority in Crimea.

But Russian-speaking people and political Vatniks are majority in the whole South -East. (Actually , Russians see Ukrainians as Russians, either). Watch the map of votes during the last more or less free elections on 2010.
What is even more important, nobody have right to kill Russians even if they are minority.

 

[JoeB131]

But Russian-speaking people and political Vatniks are majority in the whole South -East. (Actually , Russians see Ukrainians as Russians, either). Watch the map of votes during the last more or less free elections on 2010.
What is even more important, nobody have right to kill Russians even if they are minority.

No, they aren't. Even in the Donbass, Ethnic Russians were only 30% of the population.

The only place they were a "majority" was the Crimea.

 

[Zavulon]

No, they aren't. Even in the Donbass, Ethnic Russians were only 30% of the population.

It depends on who are questioning them. And no, "Russian-speaking Ukrainians" are no different from Russians, and difference without difference isn't difference. But what is actually important, its not ethnic clash "Ukrainians vs Russians". No. Its political conflict - "Banderlogs vs Vatniks". I mean Black Americans are racial minority, but people beliving in equal rights for Black and White Americans are political majority. And American Civil war wasn't a war between Black people and White people. Same way, conflict in Ukraine isn't conflict between Russians and Ukrainians. It was a conflict between pro-European Banderlogs and pro-Russia Vatnics.

 

[JoeB131]

It depends on who are questioning them. And no, "Russian-speaking Ukrainians" are no different from Russians, and difference without difference isn't difference. But what is actually important, its not ethnic clash "Ukrainians vs Russians". No. Its political conflict - "Banderlogs vs Vatniks". I mean Black Americans are racial minority, but people beliving in equal rights for Black and White Americans are political majority. And American Civil war wasn't a war between Black people and White people. Same way, conflict in Ukraine isn't conflict between Russians and Ukrainians. It was a conflict between pro-European Banderlogs and pro-Russia Vatnics.

Okay, if you lived in America, you'd realize that race relations are more complex than that.

Nope, the fact is, those regions do not have a Russian Majority. Russia has no valid claim on them.

 

[Ringo]

 

[JoeB131]

These Countries joined NATO because Russia can't be trusted under Putin's leadership.

Sweden and Finland want to join NATO now. Countries that prided themselves on their neutrality during the Cold War are now wanting to join NATO because they can't trust Russia.

Here's a crazy idea. Russia should allow free elections and try to be a good member of the international community. Then people won't care that much about NATO.

 

[Deadstick]

Give Ukraine the resources they need to fight the aggressors.

You think they can’t outlast Russia if given the resources?

Look at Vietnam.

They have had billions in arms and thousands of mercenaries, are you on drugs?

 

[Deadstick]

Good find, by the way that big mouth Kirby is scum.

 

[Deadstick]

These Countries joined NATO because Russia can't be trusted under Putin's leadership.

Sweden and Finland want to join NATO now. Countries that prided themselves on their neutrality during the Cold War are now wanting to join NATO because they can't trust Russia.

Here's a crazy idea. Russia should allow free elections and try to be a good member of the international community. Then people won't care that much about NATO.

Russia does have free elections i know that doesn't fit with your nonsense but there it is, did the Swedes and Finland have a referendum on being in NATO?

 

[JoeB131]

Russia does have free elections i know that doesn't fit with your nonsense but there it is, did the Swedes and Finland have a referendum on being in NATO?

Proof you are a Russian Troll.

 

[Lesh]

They have had billions in arms and thousands of mercenaries, are you on drugs?

You think that makes them stronger than we were in Vietnam?

 

[Ringo]

 

[Lesh]

Kursk is even in Ukraine you moron

 

[Ringo]

Kursk is even in Ukraine you moron

What?

 

[Deadstick]

You think that makes them stronger than we were in Vietnam?

You lost in Vietnam and you will lose in Ukraine, those Ukrainians who went into Kursk are just about encircled in a Cauldron some have taken part in war crimes murdering civilians in the areas they occupied so expect some trials when the investigations finish.