Zalensky rejects peace....Trump halts all weapons shipments

Ukraine is not Russian "Vietnam". Ukraine is Russian "Confederacy".

So that begs the question, are you going to make a move on the other 14 Former Soviet Republics? What about the six Warsaw Pact countries (All of which are in NATO now.)

Where does it end?

It seems the time to have litigated this was 30 years ago, but Russia under Yelstin wanted out of the USSR as bad as everyone else did.
 
So that begs the question, are you going to make a move on the other 14 Former Soviet Republics?
For what practical reason? We are not going to attack them, if they are not a threat.

What about the six Warsaw Pact countries (All of which are in NATO now.)
If they are more or less demilitarised, if there are no dangerous military infrastructure, and if they don't discriminate local Russians they can easily do whatever they want.

Where does it end?
Russia doesn't have borders, Russia have only horizons.

It seems the time to have litigated this was 30 years ago, but Russia under Yelstin wanted out of the USSR as bad as everyone else did.
People usually doesn't care about banners. People (including Russians) mostly care about wealth and safety. The fall of the Soviet Union caused both new opportunities and new troubles. I don't care if Kazakhstan is a Soviet Republic in the USSR or an independent state, if the basic human rights of Russian people are respected there.
 
They had a solution.

Defeat Russia.

They just didn't think America would be dumb enough to put the Russian Asset back in charge after he previously ratfucked the country.
They can't defeat Russia. No one can.
 
Russia doesn't have borders, Russia have only horizons.

And that's the problem... you guys can't stay in your own yard.

People usually doesn't care about banners. People (including Russians) mostly care about wealth and safety. The fall of the Soviet Union caused both new opportunities and new troubles. I don't care if Kazakhstan is a Soviet Republic in the USSR or an independent state, if the basic human rights of Russian people are respected there.



They can't defeat Russia. No one can.


Um, tell that to the British in the Crimean War.

Or the Japanese in 1905. Hilarious.


The Germans did in WWI.

Probably would have in WW2 if the Americans hadn't saved your asses.

Whoops, looks the Afghans beat your asses, too.
 
Um, tell that to the British in the Crimean War.

Or the Japanese in 1905. Hilarious.


The Germans did in WWI.

Probably would have in WW2 if the Americans hadn't saved your asses.
Its all was before invention of nuclear weapons.
Whoops, looks the Afghans beat your asses, too.
Local, and not vitally important conflict.
 
Um, yeah, it was so "not vital" it caused the break up of the USSR>
It didn't caused the break up of the USSR. More or less acceptable peace treaty with Americans did, plus obvious problems of Socialistic economy. Keeping forces in Afghanistan wouldn't change a thing.
 
Nope.

No peace treaty with Putin can be trusted. The man has broken every agreement he has made.
Of course it can't. We can't trust you, you can't trust us. It's ok. That's why I'm quite sceptical about any agreement. But, "no ceasefire" strategy leads us to more decisive and demostrative result. Like, you know, total de-nazification of Europe (or both Europe and America).
 
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Reliable link.




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How about from the Right Wing "The Hill"?


Given these misguided and misinformed takes, this crowd has called for Ukraine to be forced into a peace agreement with Russia to stop the fighting. They believe that a ceasefire would save lives. They also think that this would end the war. Finally, they assume the ceasefire would be upheld.

These assumptions, however, are all incorrect. If Ukraine is forced to sign a ceasefire agreement with Russia, then history suggests that the Russian Federation will just wait for the international community to shift its focus elsewhere before regrouping its forces and launching another invasion. This would lead to an even greater, more devastating conflict in Europe.

This is not a farfetched scenario. Over the past few decades, Russia has repeatedly violated ceasefires and treaties, to the point that it simply cannot be trusted to honor any commitment. Nothing in Russia’s behavior suggests that it is trustworthy or would uphold agreements with Ukraine. In fact, history has shown otherwise.

Take, for example, the Minsk Agreements. During the first Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, Russian forces entered the Donbas and occupied parts of Luhansk and Donetsk. A few months later, Ukraine and Russia met with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to resolve the conflict. The Minsk Agreements represented an attempt to “provide a peaceful resolution” to the Donbas conflict.
 
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Nope.

No peace treaty with Putin can be trusted. The man has broken every agreement he has made.
Yep. We can. And you can. But, if Ukraine unconditionally surrender, it won't be possible to violate it.
 
If he's not working towards peace then let him provide his own weapons.

Something tells me he just wants to keep the gravy train going both for himself and his boomerang buck buddies in DC.


Let's look at this from Zelenskys' point of view. trump lies that is he Ukraine started the war and appears to side with Russia. We weren't talking about peace we were talking about surrender. The same thing trump did dealing with the terrorist Taliban in Afghanistan.
 
Let's look at this from Zelenskys' point of view. trump lies that is he Ukraine started the war and appears to side with Russia. We weren't talking about peace we were talking about surrender. The same thing trump did dealing with the terrorist Taliban in Afghanistan.
From Zelenskiy point of view, NATO countries just hired them to kill some Russians. And now, they see their work as ineffective waste of time, money and resources and cut the expenses and even demand their money back (one way, or another). Of course, they see it as unfair.
 
From Zelenskiy point of view, NATO countries just hired them to kill some Russians. And now, they see their work as ineffective waste of time, money and resources and cut the expenses and even demand their money back (one way, or another). Of course, they see it as unfair.

Wow, really? So how did NATO trick Putin into sending Russian into Ukraine to get killed? Did they lure them with Vodka and porn?
 
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