Yup! The Jews have them outnumbered!

[rosends]

Even if you use the Bible as history, the Philistines were there before the Isrealites. The Israelits migrated from Egypt.

If you are going to use the bible, then use it properly. The Israelites moved to Goshen from Canaan and then moved back. Are you claiming that the current "Palestinians" (who, themselves don't generally claim this) are direct descendants of the biblical Philistines? They are invaders from Crete.

The problem here is using the Bible as history. It just doesn't work. The Israelites were just one of many tribes in the Levant.

Then claiming that anyone particular group as indigenous is incorrect, if there were many tribes, then each is indigenous. Which tribe was "Palestinians"?

 

[Shusha]

Right. So a bunch of Yiddish (gutter German) speaking Europeans show up in Palestine and start trying to run the place, that's colonization. Glad we got that cleared up.

No, that is decolonization. The Hebrew language originated in that place. Now Hebrew is spoken in that place. The restoration of the Hebrew language in the place where the Hebrew language originated is evidence of decolonization.

Those returning to the land of Israel did not import foreign languages from the diaspora and impose them on the indigenous peoples nor on those colonizers or colonized living in that land. They instead returned to the indigenous language of the land. Decolonization.

There wasn't an Israeli identity before 1948. There were the Ashkenazim, the Sephardim, and the Miharzi, all of which were distinct subcultures.

Don't be silly, of course there is an identity and a culture that is distinctly Jewish. And of course that identity and culture is recognizably Jewish no matter where in the Diaspora you are.

 

[JoeB131]

If you are going to use the bible, then use it properly. The Israelites moved to Goshen from Canaan and then moved back. Are you claiming that the current "Palestinians" (who, themselves don't generally claim this) are direct descendants of the biblical Philistines? They are invaders from Crete.

Well, I don't use the bible because it's all mythology, not history. We know from the archeological record the Israelites NEVER lived in Egypt. There was no "Exodus". Moses never existed.

While the Philistines were among the Sea Peoples who caused the Bronze Age Collapse, no one really knows where they came from. They were just as likely to be an indigenous people who took to piracy and raiding as a survival strategy. We do know they worshipped Baal and Dagon (among others)

We also know the early Israelites didn't worship Yahweh exclusively. We know this by their name, which means "to Struggle with El". El was the original Canaanite supreme deity, not Yahweh.

Then claiming that anyone particular group as indigenous is incorrect, if there were many tribes, then each is indigenous. Which tribe was "Palestinians"?

Well, the name derives from "Philistine", so that should be telling.

No, that is decolonization. The Hebrew language originated in that place. Now Hebrew is spoken in that place. The restoration of the Hebrew language in the place where the Hebrew language originated is evidence of decolonization.

Except they weren't speaking Hebrew in Europe, they were speaking Yiddish. Or Russian. or English. Or Arabic.

Those returning to the land of Israel did not import foreign languages from the diaspora and impose them on the indigenous peoples nor on those colonizers or colonized living in that land. They instead returned to the indigenous language of the land. Decolonization.

That has to be the most bizarre thinking I've ever heard. The point is, Hebrew wasn't being spoken in the Levant before the Zionists showed up. It wasn't being spoken in Europe outside of a liturgical setting, either. (Kind of how the Catholic spoke Latin that no one understood until 1962.)

Here's the problem. Judaism can claim its roots to the Abrahamic Religion, but so can Christianity and Islam. (Not to mention Samartianism and Mandeanism, but I digress)

Don't be silly, of course there is an identity and a culture that is distinctly Jewish. And of course that identity and culture is recognizably Jewish no matter where in the Diaspora you are.

Then, funny thing, why are all the prominent politicians in the Zionist Entity Ashkenazim? They can all trace their lineage back to someone who came off the boat from Europe.

 

[Shusha]

Except they weren't speaking Hebrew in Europe, they were speaking Yiddish. Or Russian. or English. Or Arabic.

Don't be silly. Of course the Jewish people retained their Hebrew language that they brought with them from their indigenous homeland. They may have adopted the local language of the place they found themselves in the diaspora, but they retained the Hebrew language. When they returned to their homeland, they did not import their adopted foreign languages. They restored the Hebrew language.

 

[Shusha]

That has to be the most bizarre thinking I've ever heard. The point is, Hebrew wasn't being spoken in the Levant before the Zionists showed up.

Sure. The language in common use was a language foreign to that land. It was brought from elsewhere and replaced the local language (colonization!). The restoration of the local language is decolonization.

 

[rosends]

Hebrew was a language in common that communities had. Hebrew was the language of scholarship and poetry, of conversation across generations.

 

[JoeB131]

Don't be silly. Of course the Jewish people retained their Hebrew language that they brought with them from their indigenous homeland. They may have adopted the local language of the place they found themselves in the diaspora, but they retained the Hebrew language. When they returned to their homeland, they did not import their adopted foreign languages. They restored the Hebrew language.

The point is they weren't thinking in Hebrew, they were thinking in the language of their lands... which makes them Germans or Americans or Russians, not "Israelis".

Sure. The language in common use was a language foreign to that land. It was brought from elsewhere and replaced the local language (colonization!). The restoration of the local language is decolonization.

Actually, you are being disingenuous. Hebrew wasn't even used during the time of Christ. Jesus and the Judeans spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew.

 

[Shusha]

The point is they weren't thinking in Hebrew, they were thinking in the language of their lands... which makes them Germans or Americans or Russians, not "Israelis".

Actually, you are being disingenuous. Hebrew wasn't even used during the time of Christ. Jesus and the Judeans spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew.

Irrelevant strawman. Hebrew is the local language. To restore the local language is decolonization. Hebrew has been in continuous use in Israel, Judea, and Samaria, and in the diaspora.

 

[JoeB131]

Irrelevant strawman. Hebrew is the local language. To restore the local language is decolonization. Hebrew has been in continuous use in Israel, Judea, and Samaria, and in the diaspora.

Nope. It had to be re-invented to create a fake national identity.

 

[Shusha]

Nope. It had to be re-invented to create a fake national identity.

It didn't have to be re-invented, because it didn't cease to exist. You DO know that we read the Torah in Hebrew, right? You DO know that we speak prayers in Hebrew, right? You DO know that when 2000 year old mosaics are discovered that modern Hebrew speakers can read them, right? The language just had to be restored to common usage. To restore the local language to common usage is an act of decolonization.

And please do tell, what is the criteria for a national identity being "fake" vs being "real".

 

[JoeB131]

It didn't have to be re-invented, because it didn't cease to exist. You DO know that we read the Torah in Hebrew, right?

My parents listened to Catholic Mass in Latin, it didn't make them Romans.

You DO know that when 2000 year old mosaics are discovered that modern Hebrew speakers can read them, right? The language just had to be restored to common usage. To restore the local language to common usage is an act of decolonization.

No, it's an act of trying to create an artificial identity. Not nearly the same thing.

The underlying LIE of Zionism is "A land without a people for a people without a land."

THIS IS A DEMENTED LIE! Colonialism is going into someone else's country and taking what's theirs because you consider them a lower form of human. This is what the Zionists are doing after other white people have realized this was wrong to do in the first place.

Which is why Israel will truly fail in the long run. It's morally unacceptable when you think about it.

 

[Yarddog]

Same question I ask all the Zionists.

Why are you so keen to live next to people who want to kill you?

Hey they got chased out of North Africa parts of the M.E....and lots of Europeans wanted to kill them, so what did they have to lose but just going back to their ancestral homeland? No one is going to be happy with the Jews no matter what they do and honesty the Muslims who want to kill them the most are the ones funded by Iran

 

[Yarddog]

My parents listened to Catholic Mass in Latin, it didn't make them Romans.



No, it's an act of trying to create an artificial identity. Not nearly the same thing.

The underlying LIE of Zionism is "A land without a people for a people without a land."

THIS IS A DEMENTED LIE! Colonialism is going into someone else's country and taking what's theirs because you consider them a lower form of human. This is what the Zionists are doing after other white people have realized this was wrong to do in the first place.

Which is why Israel will truly fail in the long run. It's morally unacceptable when you think about it.

Were European Jews singled out and killed or discriminated against because they had an artificial Identity?
or did that all happen because they were Jews?

Also.. you're purposly leaving out the fact that there are Millions of Jews who never left the M.E. who also went back to Israel. They are not Europeans. Israel is also a home for Muslims as well.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey they got chased out of North Africa parts of the M.E....and lots of Europeans wanted to kill them, so what did they have to lose but just going back to their ancestral homeland? No one is going to be happy with the Jews no matter what they do and honesty the Muslims who want to kill them the most are the ones funded by Iran

So your argument is that they can't live anywhere without pissing off the people they live with?

Were European Jews singled out and killed or discriminated against because they had an artificial Identity?
or did that all happen because they were Jews?

It happened because for 2000 years, Christians told each other the Jews killed their Imaginary Sky Man. A bunch of other reasons, too, like how Jews completely took advantage of the Post WWI Chaos to profiteer, but that's not really much of an excuse, either.

I'd have no problem carving out a chunk of Europe to create a Jewish Homeland. It's the least the Europeans could do. Or if America is so keen on a Jewish Homeland, give them one of our less-populated states.

But perpetually having us play Hall Monitor in the Middle East is kind of stupid.

 

[toomuchtime_]

My parents listened to Catholic Mass in Latin, it didn't make them Romans.



No, it's an act of trying to create an artificial identity. Not nearly the same thing.

The underlying LIE of Zionism is "A land without a people for a people without a land."

THIS IS A DEMENTED LIE! Colonialism is going into someone else's country and taking what's theirs because you consider them a lower form of human. This is what the Zionists are doing after other white people have realized this was wrong to do in the first place.

Which is why Israel will truly fail in the long run. It's morally unacceptable when you think about it.

Only people like you tell lies about Zionism. Zionism is only about creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine and this could have been done peacefully to the benefit of both Arabs and Jews but for the Arabs' 7th century mindset that Jews must not have the same rights as Muslims.

 

[Zebra]

Yup….here’s the map again. The Jews could DOUBLE the land mass of Israel - not that they have any interest or intent in doing that - and they’d still have less than 1% of the region! The sad truth is that the Islamists want ALL the Jews gone, and Israel eliminated.View attachment 1185456

the Arab world could easily resettle the Gazans

 

[Zebra]

Oh look , "log cabin republican," you reacted to yourself via "the london fog" you forgot to use "kyzina."

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Among (pro Islamofascism) (ex) Hondo 50usernames:

(Some are removed already).

• Dean F (with Hitler worshipping Aug 18, 2024), is also:
• yeh (Aug 29. 2024. Previously with a photo of his Adolf Hitler as an avatar. Here under "yeh" denies the Holocaust).
• todd down under (Here he tries 2 accounts to talk to each other) (Sep 15, 2024);
• Hondo 50 (Sep 18, 2024);
• lech (Oct 13, 2024);
  
  
  log cabin republican (Aug 4, 2024)
  
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• roderick (Aug 10, 2024);
• annalise (Dec 8. 2024);
• Davebb (Jan 11, 2025) and
• No Way (Jan 26, 2025).
• S.S. another hint in liking the Nazis, (Feb 6, 2025).
• stockhome (Feb 11, 2025)
• john finally retired (Apr 10, 2025);
• apolitical (Apr 13, 2025);
• stevez (Apr 14, 2025).
• Topeka (Apr 22, 2025) created only to defend his exposed other accounts)
• notyankee (July 29, 2025) (Defends his Muhammad, and Glorifies Hitler via invented "theories").
• Maj (Aug 1, 2025) [posing as a "jew"]
• charlottebronte666 (Aug 13, 2025) [defending his Islam and belittles the holocaust (like using the label "auschwitz" on genocidal Hamas' Gaza human shield regime) via "pro palestine"]
  
  
  Kyzina (Aug 20, 2025)

• john u (Sep 7, 2025);
• cowboy fan (Sep 12, 2025)
• he just circle K (Sep 12, 2025)
• lith leo (Sep 16, 2025)
• gold something (Sep 16, 2025) [posing as a "jew"]
• mex tex (Sep 18, 2025) [borrowing a "Mexican" pretense].
• Soul musician (Sep 20, 2025)
  
  
  
  the london fog (Oct 1, 2025)
  
  
  
  stan ford 4 (Oct 25, 2025)
  
  
• Moro maquina (Oct 25, 2025)

these socks are spreading like a pest

 

[Shusha]

No, it's an act of trying to create an artificial identity. Not nearly the same thing.

Oh, come on. You can do better than that. What differentiates a "real" identity from an "artificial" identity? What makes the Jewish identity "artificial" and the Palestinian identity "real"? Construct an objective argument that can be applied to both, and to others.

 

[Shusha]

I'd have no problem carving out a chunk of Europe to create a Jewish Homeland. It's the least the Europeans could do. Or if America is so keen on a Jewish Homeland, give them one of our less-populated states.

This is such a bizarre position to take. You support a Jewish homeland anywhere except where the Jewish homeland actually is? Weird. Like, really, really weird.

 

[rosends]

My parents listened to Catholic Mass in Latin, it didn't make them Romans.

Did they also communicate with other communities in Latin? Did they read and write scholarship in Latin? Did they teach their children, starting at 3, to read and speak Latin?