Yup! The Jews have them outnumbered!

[Lisa558]

the Arab world could easily resettle the Gazans,

They don’t want those hateful, backward people. Nobody wants them.

So the Jews they want to kill are the ones who get stuck with them.

 

[Lisa558]

This is such a bizarre position to take. You support a Jewish homeland anywhere except where the Jewish homeland actually is? Weird. Like, really, really weird.

He really doesn’t. Can you imagine if the Jewish “homeland” was declared to be the Greater Chicago area, where Joe lives?

 

[Zebra]

They don’t want those hateful, backward people. Nobody wants them.

So the Jews they want to kill are the ones who get stuck with them.

sad

 

[JoeB131]

Only people like you tell lies about Zionism. Zionism is only about creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine and this could have been done peacefully to the benefit of both Arabs and Jews but for the Arabs' 7th century mindset that Jews must not have the same rights as Muslims.

Actually, Muslims were relatively nice to Jews compared to Christian Europe.

While Christians have spent centuries oppressing Jews and killing each other over whether or not wafers really turn into Jesus or not, Muslims were pretty tolerant of non-Islamic religions, which is why in the Middle East you will still find Coptic Christians, Maronite Christians, Mandeans, Zoroasterians, Yazidis, Samaritans, Druze, Bahai, etc.

Now yes, after the formation of the Zionist Entity, a lot of Jews were driven out of Muslim countries. Some had nothing to do with Israel, such as Algeria, where the Jews were seen as part of the French Colonial Regime, and they went to France with the rest of the occupiers. Others, like Egypt, wore out their welcome (The 1954 Coup attempt against Nasser, collaborating with the French and British to seize the Suez Canal.)

The problem with creating a homeland in Palestine is that there were already people living there.

If America is so keen on there being a Jewish State, we should give them one of ours. I nominate Florida. Just displace the Anglos and the Cubans, it will be fine.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, come on. You can do better than that. What differentiates a "real" identity from an "artificial" identity? What makes the Jewish identity "artificial" and the Palestinian identity "real"? Construct an objective argument that can be applied to both, and to others.

That's an easy one. A Hebrew-speaking Israeli didn't exist before 1948. The Ashkenazim spoke Yiddish, the Sephardim spoke Arabic. They were effectively a "stateless people". So are the Roma and the Sinti, but no one is clamoring to give them a homeland.

This is such a bizarre position to take. You support a Jewish homeland anywhere except where the Jewish homeland actually is? Weird. Like, really, really weird.

Except Palestine isn't the Jewish Homeland, it's just some land the Jews stole.

He really doesn’t. Can you imagine if the Jewish “homeland” was declared to be the Greater Chicago area, where Joe lives?

Actually, I voted for my state's Jewish governor twice. And that was after serving with his freakish cousin in the IL ARNG. (Look it up!)

 

[JoeB131]

They don’t want those hateful, backward people. Nobody wants them.

So the Jews they want to kill are the ones who get stuck with them.

Aren't you a little confused? The reason why the Jews live in Palestine is that no one in Europe wanted them.

The Germans killed the Jews
and the Jews killed the Arabs
and the Arabs killed the Hostages
and that is the news!
Is it any wonder,
that the monkey's confused?

- Roger Waters, Amused to Death.

 

[rosends]

That's an easy one. A Hebrew-speaking Israeli didn't exist before 1948.

Because there was no nationality of Israeli. People in the region did speak Hebrew. But if we are talking about nationality, then there has never been an Arabic speaking Palestinian.

 

[JoeB131]

Because there was no nationality of Israeli. People in the region did speak Hebrew. But if we are talking about nationality, then there has never been an Arabic speaking Palestinian.

Except the people of Palestine have spoken Arabic for the last 1400 years.

Three times as long as English-speaking America has existed.

 

[rosends]

Except the people of Palestine have spoken Arabic for the last 1400 years.

what people of Palestine? You mean the ones who worked on The Palestine Post? Or the ones on the Palestine Soccer team in 1929? Since "Palestine" was nothing but a large, regional label, it included people who spoke a variety of languages.

And Hebrew? Well, you could read a Hebrew newspaper in the late 1880's but that was in Russia. Here are some others. Are there Latin newspapers? For more background (and earlier examples) see here. If you are looking for Hebrew language papers in the land that would become Israel, start here.

So which "people of Palestine" did you have in mind?

 

[Lisa558]

Actually, Muslims were relatively nice to Jews compared to Christian Europe.

While Christians have spent centuries oppressing Jews and killing each other over whether or not wafers really turn into Jesus or not, Muslims were pretty tolerant of non-Islamic religions, which is why in the Middle East you will still find Coptic Christians, Maronite Christians, Mandeans, Zoroasterians, Yazidis, Samaritans, Druze, Bahai, etc.

Now yes, after the formation of the Zionist Entity, a lot of Jews were driven out of Muslim countries. Some had nothing to do with Israel, such as Algeria, where the Jews were seen as part of the French Colonial Regime, and they went to France with the rest of the occupiers. Others, like Egypt, wore out their welcome (The 1954 Coup attempt against Nasser, collaborating with the French and British to seize the Suez Canal.)

The problem with creating a homeland in Palestine is that there were already people living there.

If America is so keen on there being a Jewish State, we should give them one of ours. I nominate Florida. Just displace the Anglos and the Cubans, it will be fine.

LOL. “Muslims were nice to Jews compared to how the Nazis treated them.”

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, Muslims were relatively nice to Jews compared to Christian Europe.

While Christians have spent centuries oppressing Jews and killing each other over whether or not wafers really turn into Jesus or not, Muslims were pretty tolerant of non-Islamic religions, which is why in the Middle East you will still find Coptic Christians, Maronite Christians, Mandeans, Zoroasterians, Yazidis, Samaritans, Druze, Bahai, etc.

Now yes, after the formation of the Zionist Entity, a lot of Jews were driven out of Muslim countries. Some had nothing to do with Israel, such as Algeria, where the Jews were seen as part of the French Colonial Regime, and they went to France with the rest of the occupiers. Others, like Egypt, wore out their welcome (The 1954 Coup attempt against Nasser, collaborating with the French and British to seize the Suez Canal.)

The problem with creating a homeland in Palestine is that there were already people living there.

If America is so keen on there being a Jewish State, we should give them one of ours. I nominate Florida. Just displace the Anglos and the Cubans, it will be fine.

"From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce."

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

And this is how the Muslims in Palestine continued to treat Jews into the 20th century and how they demanded to right to treat Jews during the UN debate on the Partition resolution. Contemporaneous records show the people who lived in Palestine when the 20th century Jewish immigration took place suffered no losses from the arrival of these immigrants but these Muslims refused to tolerate Jews having the same rights as Muslims and it is why the Muslims launched their war of extermination in 1948 and why they have refused to live in peace with Jews or Israel ever since.

 

[Hafar1014]

Except the people of Palestine have spoken Arabic for the last 1400 years.

Three times as long as English-speaking America has existed.

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Its the historic homeland of the Jews who lived there 3000 years before Islam existed

 

[Shusha]

That's an easy one. A Hebrew-speaking Israeli didn't exist before 1948. The Ashkenazim spoke Yiddish, the Sephardim spoke Arabic. They were effectively a "stateless people".

I realize. That is what we are discussing. How stateless people emerge into peoples with States, remembering that prior to the 1920s there were no national Israelis, but there also were not any national Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Jordanians, or Palestinians. What qualifies as a "real" identity for stateless people who seek to have a state for their own self-determination? What makes an Arab identity "real" and a Jewish identity "artificial"?

On the other thread you said, basically, "they live there". The Jewish people have lived in that land for thousands of years. They speak the local language, they practice the local religion, they celebrate holidays based on the agricultural seasons of that specific land. How can their identity not be "real"?

Except Palestine isn't the Jewish Homeland, it's just some land the Jews stole.

Oh. Where then is the homeland of the Jewish people?

 

[Hafar1014]

I realize. That is what we are discussing. How stateless people emerge into peoples with States, remembering that prior to the 1920s there were no national Israelis, but there also were not any national Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Jordanians, or Palestinians. What qualifies as a "real" identity for stateless people who seek to have a state for their own self-determination? What makes an Arab identity "real" and a Jewish identity "artificial"?

On the other thread you said, basically, "they live there". The Jewish people have lived in that land for thousands of years. They speak the local language, they practice the local religion, they celebrate holidays based on the agricultural seasons of that specific land. How can their identity not be "real"?

Oh. Where then is the homeland of the Jewish people?

That's an easy one. A Hebrew-speaking Israeli didn't exist before 1948. The Ashkenazim spoke Yiddish, the Sephardim spoke Arabic. They were effectively a "stateless people". So are the Roma and the Sinti, but no one is clamoring to give them a homeland.



Except Palestine isn't the Jewish Homeland, it's just some land the Jews stole.



Actually, I voted for my state's Jewish governor twice. And that was after serving with his freakish cousin in the IL ARNG. (Look it up!)

Wrong on many levels. They spoke Hebrew only German Jews spoke Yiddish. Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews both spoke Hebrew. Sephardic Jews had some Spanish words in their dialect.
Judea and Samra are the Jewish homeland legally historically and morally. Palestine never existed as nation. Your welcome to try and kick us out.

 

[Hafar1014]

I realize. That is what we are discussing. How stateless people emerge into peoples with States, remembering that prior to the 1920s there were no national Israelis, but there also were not any national Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Jordanians, or Palestinians. What qualifies as a "real" identity for stateless people who seek to have a state for their own self-determination? What makes an Arab identity "real" and a Jewish identity "artificial"?

On the other thread you said, basically, "they live there". The Jewish people have lived in that land for thousands of years. They speak the local language, they practice the local religion, they celebrate holidays based on the agricultural seasons of that specific land. How can their identity not be "real"?

Oh. Where then is the homeland of the Jewish people?

Israel Where is the homeland of Gazans? Egypt. Where is the homeland of the West Bank people? Jordan

 

[rosends]

For some reference,

Twenty Centuries of Jewish Life in the Holy Land: The Forgotten Generations: Bahat, Dan: Amazon.com: Books

Twenty Centuries of Jewish Life in the Holy Land: The Forgotten Generations [Bahat, Dan] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Twenty Centuries of Jewish Life in the Holy Land: The Forgotten Generations

www.amazon.com

 

[Grau]

"FOREIGN FUNDED GENOCIDE ON AMERICAN WELFARE"

It’s only 9 million Israeli Jews and about 15 million Jews worldwide VS 1.2 billion Muslims, 600 million of which are surrounding Israel. Israel’s landmass is less than 1% of the land mass that was invaded by Muslim Arab savages there is under their control…and look how these 7 million Israeli Jews are kicking Muslim asses all over the place from Hezbollah to Iran to Syria to Palestinian subhuman terrorist animals.

Seems like the Jews have them outnumbered! Or is it divine intervention?

I believe that you forgot to mention the excellent training and superior weaponry given to early Zionist terrorist gangs by Germany's WW 2 SS, (1).

Without Germany's aid, then, foreign European Jews would still be in their European "homeland" instead of Holocausting Palestine's native residents for over 70 years.

Face facts!

Without the unrivaled success of AIPAC and countless other parasitic Israeli lobbies in extorting countless $Trillions in American welfare, weaponry, stolen technology(2) and blood, your dear genocidal Zionist colony wouldn't have lasted a week.






(1), “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED



(2). "Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style"

Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style - Antiwar.com

Philip Giraldi on Israel's US-subsidized tech boom

original.antiwar.com

EXCERPT "That is the significant advantage that Israel has gained by systematically stealing American technology with both military and civilian applications. The US developed technology is then reverse engineered and used by the Israelis to support their own exports with considerably reduced research and development costs, giving them a huge advantage against American companies.

Sometimes, when the technology is military in nature and winds up in the hands of a US adversary, the consequences can be serious. Israel has sold advanced weapons systems to China that are believed to incorporate technology developed by American companies, including the Python-3 air-to-air missile and the Delilah cruise missile."CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

Israel pays people to defend it online. Are YOU one of the paid posters?

Israel to pay students to defend it online

To actual human beings with any social life and education it couldn't be any more obvious that our glut of paid, trained and scripted genocidal Zionist shills work this and other forums Full-Time.

Of course we both know that without the word "anti Semite", they'd be speechless.

Please note:

“Influencers Are Being Paid $7K Per Post to Boost Pro-Israel Social Media Content”

Influencers Are Being Paid $7K Per Post to Boost Pro-Israel Social Media Content

“We have to fight back. How do we fight back? Our influencers," said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

truthout.org

EXCERPT “Being paid by Israel to post on social media is also very lucrative. According to previously unreported recent documents, these influencers are likely being paid around $7,000 per post on social media such as Tik Tok and Instagram on behalf of Israel.

Bridges Partners, a firm working for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, sent a series of invoices for its “Influencer Campaign” to Havas Media Group Germany, an international media group working for Israel. The invoices detailed a sum of $900,000, starting in June and slated to end in November, for a cohort of 14-18 influencers to create content.” CONTINUED

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Keep telling it like it is.....

Thanks,

 

[Roudy]

"FOREIGN FUNDED GENOCIDE ON AMERICAN WELFARE"





I believe that you forgot to mention the excellent training and superior weaponry given to early Zionist terrorist gangs by Germany's WW 2 SS, (1).

Without Germany's aid, then, foreign European Jews would still be in their European "homeland" instead of Holocausting Palestine's native residents for over 70 years.

Face facts!

Without the unrivaled success of AIPAC and countless other parasitic Israeli lobbies in extorting countless $Trillions in American welfare, weaponry, stolen technology(2) and blood, your dear genocidal Zionist colony wouldn't have lasted a week.






(1), “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED



(2). "Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style"

Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style - Antiwar.com

Philip Giraldi on Israel's US-subsidized tech boom

original.antiwar.com

EXCERPT "That is the significant advantage that Israel has gained by systematically stealing American technology with both military and civilian applications. The US developed technology is then reverse engineered and used by the Israelis to support their own exports with considerably reduced research and development costs, giving them a huge advantage against American companies.

Sometimes, when the technology is military in nature and winds up in the hands of a US adversary, the consequences can be serious. Israel has sold advanced weapons systems to China that are believed to incorporate technology developed by American companies, including the Python-3 air-to-air missile and the Delilah cruise missile."CONTINUED

More gibberish from the IslamoNazi terrorist worshipper.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong again, dipstick, U.S. started supporting Israel in the mid 1960’s after it realized the Arab countries had become Soviet satellite states. By the 1960’s Israel had fought, AND WON all its major wars against groups of Arab countries that had attacked it several times

I think you mean late sixties early seventies. Israel won the Six Day War with French and British modern gear and surplus US M-3/5 half tracks and Sherman’s.