You're all lost.

[martybegan]

People like you can never, ever propose a better solution than the system we have been using.

POSIT ONE: And I'll knock it down like I knock down all other nonsense

I am not one of the people complaining about the current system, and I've made previous posts on the amendments I would propose during an Article V convention to fix what I see as some problems to be solved.

 

[Dante]

Troll Alert!

 

[Dante]

I am not one of the people complaining about the current system, and I've made previous posts on the amendments I would propose during an Article V convention to fix what I see as some problems to be solved.

later...

 

[Chuz Life]

Why should I not care about my own Agenda?

Who said anything about whether you "should or should not care" about your agenda at all?

Caring about your agenda is not a problem for anyone.

Caring about your agenda by rejecting truth, facts and reality.

IS.

Only one side has to be magnanimous?

Towards the truth and facts?

Both sides should be magnanimous towards the facts. Shouldn't they?

People need to stop linking facts and truth. Facts are just that. truth is far more vague.

I note the absence of any examples that I can agree with, even to a small degree. Truths are based on facts. . . that's what makes them truthful.

It may be cathartic to throw up your hands and say nothing is working and everything sucks, but that does nothing to fix things.

That is not a direct refutation of the point that was being raised. It's a diversion. A platitude.

 

[jc456]

Both sides should be magnanimous towards the facts. Shouldn't they?

god if that were actually true. But, we all know differently. MSM couldn't locate a fact if it fell in their mouths.

 

[martybegan]

Who said anything about whether you "should or should not care" about your agenda at all?

Caring about your agenda is not a problem for anyone.

Caring about your agenda by rejecting truth, facts and reality.

IS.



Towards the truth and facts?

Both sides should be magnanimous towards the facts. Shouldn't they?



I note the absence of any examples that I can agree with, even to a small degree. Truths are based on facts. . . that's what makes them truthful.




That is not a direct refutation of the point that was being raised. It's a diversion. A platitude.

What reality am I rejecting? You know most of my views on this board.

I think the side that thinks women can have penises has more of a problem with reality than my side does.

 

[Chuz Life]

What reality am I rejecting? You know most of my views on this board.

I think the side that thinks women can have penises has more of a problem with reality than my side does.

"You" is not always personal. It is used figuratively.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in this thread, you are defending the practice of those who put their agenda over the facts.

You have taken a contrarian view towards the OP.

Haven't you?

 

[jc456]

"You" is not always personal. It is used figuratively.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in this thread, you are defending the practice of those who put their agenda over the facts.

You have taken a contrarian view towards the OP.

Haven't you?

Well personally, the OP is so stupid, anything anyone posts is within the boundaries of the OP. For instance, name something anyone is not being realistic about and choosing party over that? What say you? What is unrealistic that is mentioned in the thread where someone is choosing party?

 

[buttercup]

While I agree with the point in the OP.... I think he started this thread based on a false idea. He had just posted on another thread he started (about the war in Iran).... and he was angry about some of the posts on that thread. Where he went wrong was in assuming that anyone who is opposed to that war must be doing so because of hyperpartisanship. On other issues, that is often the case. But in this particular case, the OP is simply wrong. In fact, the exact opposite is true. There are plenty of conservatives, libertarians or independents who stand on principle who don't agree with the war. And I would say MOST of those people totally reject the idea of putting party first. That's the whole reason they are taking a controversial stand in the first place! Because they reject putting party over principle / truth.

 

[BlindBoo]

Whining about something that both sides of the partisan divide both do. Definitely, deserving of the world smallest violin playing "My Heart bleeds 'Peanut Butter' for you"

 

[Chuz Life]

Well personally, the OP is so stupid, anything anyone posts is within the boundaries of the OP.

Is it though?

For instance, name something anyone is not being realistic about and choosing party over that?

The left claims to care about children. The left claims to care about science facts and truth. The left claims to be open-minded, tolerant, and inclusive.

The left supports abortion on demand.

I hope you don't need a better example than one where children are being slaughtered by the millions as a result of the denials.

What say you? What is unrealistic that is mentioned in the thread where someone is choosing party?

See above.

 

[jc456]

While I agree with the point in the OP.... I think he started this thread based on a false idea. He had just posted on another thread he started (about the war in Iran).... and he was angry about some of the posts on that thread. Where he went wrong was in assuming that anyone who is opposed to that war must be doing so because of hyperpartisanship. On other issues, that is often the case. But in this particular case, the OP is simply wrong. In fact, the exact opposite is true. There are plenty of conservatives, libertarians or independents who stand on principle who don't agree with the war. And I would say MOST of those people totally reject the idea of putting party first. That's the whole reason they are taking a controversial stand in the first place! Because they reject putting party over principle / truth.

sometimes the right thing needs to happen no matter what. Trump has exposed the true intent of Iran. To see anything different is loss of reality. 17 countries now inflicted? short sighted people see short.

 

[pknopp]

Why should I not care about my own Agenda? Only one side has to be magnanimous?

People need to stop linking facts and truth. Facts are just that. truth is far more vague.

It may be cathartic to throw up your hands and say nothing is working and everything sucks, but that does nothing to fix things.

Agenda's seem to float with the wind......other than party.

 

[SweetSue92]

You don't actually care about being accurate, realistic. You care about your side winning. Those are not the same thing, and you've never once stopped to notice the difference.

You will defend a lie if it came from your camp. You will attack a truth if it came from theirs. You've outsourced your reasoning to your identity and called it conviction. You haven't had an original thought about reality in your entire life, just reactions, just reflexes, just the primate satisfaction of seeing the enemy hurt.

The uncomfortable fact is that most people don't have beliefs. They have loyalties dressed up as beliefs. Epistemology cosplay. You couldn't tell me how you know what you know, because you don't know; you were told, and it felt right because everyone around you nodded.

And the anger. As if the intensity of your feelings is evidence of your correctness. As if volume is argument. You're not passionate about truth; you're addicted to the war. Truth would actually end it. You don't want it to end. The genuinely reality-oriented person is nearly extinct in public discourse. What's left is two mirror-image tribes, each convinced they're the rational ones, each using reason as a weapon rather than a compass, pointing it outward, never inward.

It's not a political problem. It's not even a cultural problem. It's a cognitive failure. And the worst part?

Most of you are proud of it.

Disgusting.

Much of what you say is true. Sadly.

What I see here (and in many places online) is too many posters unwilling to be wrong. I don't think--honestly--that's the mark of an educated, intellectual, curious person.

The best learners, thinkers and teachers remain open to new information if it's credible and useful (not all information is useful; some does not apply, etc). The posters who display this are my favorite, even if I don't always agree, because they challenge my thinking. I hope to also be open to being wrong and open to new information.

Anyway, I have always enjoyed your posts for this reason. FWIW, probably not much

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You don't actually care about being accurate, realistic. You care about your side winning. Those are not the same thing, and you've never once stopped to notice the difference.

I hope it didn't take you this long to figure this out.

 

[BlindBoo]

A Freudian slip. I think the OP could be talking about Benedict Donald. Nobody fits that bill as completely as he does.

 

[JWBooth]

Two tribes of morons, each shouing the same prevarications at the other.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

You don't actually care about being accurate, realistic. You care about your side winning. Those are not the same thing, and you've never once stopped to notice the difference.

You will defend a lie if it came from your camp. You will attack a truth if it came from theirs. You've outsourced your reasoning to your identity and called it conviction. You haven't had an original thought about reality in your entire life, just reactions, just reflexes, just the primate satisfaction of seeing the enemy hurt.

The uncomfortable fact is that most people don't have beliefs. They have loyalties dressed up as beliefs. Epistemology cosplay. You couldn't tell me how you know what you know, because you don't know; you were told, and it felt right because everyone around you nodded.

And the anger. As if the intensity of your feelings is evidence of your correctness. As if volume is argument. You're not passionate about truth; you're addicted to the war. Truth would actually end it. You don't want it to end. The genuinely reality-oriented person is nearly extinct in public discourse. What's left is two mirror-image tribes, each convinced they're the rational ones, each using reason as a weapon rather than a compass, pointing it outward, never inward.

It's not a political problem. It's not even a cultural problem. It's a cognitive failure. And the worst part?

Most of you are proud of it.

Disgusting.

^^^Upset over opposition to left wing terror and treason being resisted. Thinks faking being a 'moderate' will fool people into thinking it's 'objective'.

Sorry, but 'both sides are equally wrong' is just bullshit.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Thinks faking being a 'moderate' will fool people into thinking it's 'objective'.

So-called ''moderates'' have historically and observably demonstrated themselves to be the single greatest threat to Individual liberty, peace and prosperity in America today.

Historically speaking, they've always tended to be just okay with all of the bad, anti-liberty legislation coming from either side of the party-of-one.

So, yeah, no, huh uh. Not something I'd want to go around bragging about, chief.

 

[candycorn]

You don't actually care about being accurate, realistic. You care about your side winning. Those are not the same thing, and you've never once stopped to notice the difference.

You will defend a lie if it came from your camp. You will attack a truth if it came from theirs. You've outsourced your reasoning to your identity and called it conviction. You haven't had an original thought about reality in your entire life, just reactions, just reflexes, just the primate satisfaction of seeing the enemy hurt.

The uncomfortable fact is that most people don't have beliefs. They have loyalties dressed up as beliefs. Epistemology cosplay. You couldn't tell me how you know what you know, because you don't know; you were told, and it felt right because everyone around you nodded.

And the anger. As if the intensity of your feelings is evidence of your correctness. As if volume is argument. You're not passionate about truth; you're addicted to the war. Truth would actually end it. You don't want it to end. The genuinely reality-oriented person is nearly extinct in public discourse. What's left is two mirror-image tribes, each convinced they're the rational ones, each using reason as a weapon rather than a compass, pointing it outward, never inward.

It's not a political problem. It's not even a cultural problem. It's a cognitive failure. And the worst part?

Most of you are proud of it.

Disgusting.

Thats mostly right wingers.

Not all of them....and there are some on the left. But the right wing loons have had to cut-reality-to-fit their blob’s statements that they still defend to this day.

Mexico didn’t pay for the wall for one example.
Exporters don’t pay tariffs for another.
I remember when Grumps defended Trump’s statement that covid was going to “disappear like a miracle.”