Your Extinction.

[miketx]

Solar panels last up to 40 years. It takes 1 to 4 years of the energy generated by solar panels to equal the amount of energy that was required to create them. That is everything from mining the materials they are made of to the finished product. That means 36 years of absolutely free, clean energy.

They work great at night and rainy days.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wasted because you don't believe they're needed?

Wasted because you won't earn back your investment.

 

[Flash]

Anyplace the sun shines solar panels will work. You would have to live in Alaska for them to not work well enough. Because they have long winters.

Bullshit.

A typical overcast summer afternoon in Florida (the Sunshine State) during the rainy season it would be good to get 2% efficiency. Forget about the Mid Atlanta states or a good portion of the US.

You ain't gonna recover all that energy it took to make and distribute the damn things with the reduced energy that is produced during a large part of the time in the Norther Hemisphere.

 

[Oddball]

HUMANS are causing global warming.

No, we're not.

 

[Oddball]

Total bullshit. With photoshop those graphs can be made to say anything.

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[westwall]

Because it better to do something than do nothing.

Not when it costs more than the damage you aim to prevent.

DURRRRRR

 

[miketx]

Because it better to do something than do nothing.

One dimensional. You're nuts.

 

[Oddball]

Because it better to do something than do nothing.

Variation of the Pascal's wager fallacy.

Pascal's wager - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Crick]

Not when it costs more than the damage you aim to prevent.

DURRRRRR

But it won't. It will cost FAR, FAR, FAR more to ignore this problem than to deal with it.

 

[Blues Man]

Solar panels last up to 40 years. Any storage batteries may be different. But no doubt they can be recycled into new batteries.

and the efficiency of solar panels drops significantly. and there are a number of other factors that affect the efficiency

 

[sparky]

Solar panels last up to 40 years. It takes 1 to 4 years of the energy generated by solar panels to equal the amount of energy that was required to create them. That is everything from mining the materials they are made of to the finished product. That means 36 years of absolutely free, clean energy.

>>>>

https://www.cfact.org/2019/09/15/the-solar-panel-toxic-waste-problem/

Solar panels generate 300 times more toxic waste per unit of energy than nuclear power plants. They also contain lead, cadmium, and other toxic (even carcinogenic) chemicals that cannot be removed without breaking apart the entire panel. Worse, rainwater can wash many of these toxics out of the fragments of solar modules over time.

Another real concern is the vast increase in the use of nitrogen trifluoride (NF3) in the construction of solar panels – up 1,057 percent over the past 25 years. The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change deems NF3 to be 17,200 times more potent than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas – meaning that even relatively minor quantities can have major impacts.

~S~

 

[sparky]

Nitrogen Trifluoride Now Required in GHG Protocol Greenhouse Gas Emissions Inventories



New measurement techniques have revealed much higher atmospheric concentrations of NF3 than expected, which can be partially attributed to the fact that industrial losses of the gas had been underestimated. NF3 emissions are increasing rapidly – rates of industrial production increased 40-fold between 1992 and 2007 alone . This is particularly alarming because NF3 has a 100-year global warming potential of 17,200, meaning that it is 17,200 times more powerful than carbon dioxide in trapping atmospheric heat over a 100-year time span – much higher than most other GHGs.

~S~

 

[Sunsettommy]

Nitrogen Trifluoride Now Required in GHG Protocol Greenhouse Gas Emissions Inventories



New measurement techniques have revealed much higher atmospheric concentrations of NF3 than expected, which can be partially attributed to the fact that industrial losses of the gas had been underestimated. NF3 emissions are increasing rapidly – rates of industrial production increased 40-fold between 1992 and 2007 alone . This is particularly alarming because NF3 has a 100-year global warming potential of 17,200, meaning that it is 17,200 times more powerful than carbon dioxide in trapping atmospheric heat over a 100-year time span – much higher than most other GHGs.

~S~

This is particularly alarming because NF3 has a 100-year global warming potential of 17,200, meaning that it is 17,200 times more powerful than carbon dioxide in trapping atmospheric heat over a 100-year time span – much higher than most other GHGs.

This is misleading as there is no information showing where its IR absorption bands are and how much IR it actually absorbs.

 

[sparky]

This is misleading as there is no information showing where its IR absorption bands are and how much IR it actually absorbs.

so it's not happening due to lack of info Suns?

~S~

 

[Sunsettommy]

so it's not happening due to lack of info Suns?

~S~

Until there is something showing actual spectral information it will always be misleading and useless.

 

[sparky]

Until there is something showing actual spectral information it will always be misleading and useless.

ok, is this what we're looking for>???

Nitrogen trifluoride

webbook.nist.gov

~S~

 

[Sunsettommy]

ok, is this what we're looking for>???

Nitrogen trifluoride

webbook.nist.gov

~S~

I have seen it before, and the chart shows it isn't a big deal which is why they never talk about that part just the misleading potency claims which is what they have brought up for years which is useless without the corresponding IR absorption effect which they never show.

 

[Oddball]

But it won't. It will cost FAR, FAR, FAR more to ignore this problem than to deal with it.

You doomsaying warmers keep going to that lame argument, yet don't ever show your math.

 

[Oddball]

>>>>

https://www.cfact.org/2019/09/15/the-solar-panel-toxic-waste-problem/

Solar panels generate 300 times more toxic waste per unit of energy than nuclear power plants. They also contain lead, cadmium, and other toxic (even carcinogenic) chemicals that cannot be removed without breaking apart the entire panel. Worse, rainwater can wash many of these toxics out of the fragments of solar modules over time.

Another real concern is the vast increase in the use of nitrogen trifluoride (NF3) in the construction of solar panels – up 1,057 percent over the past 25 years. The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change deems NF3 to be 17,200 times more potent than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas – meaning that even relatively minor quantities can have major impacts.

~S~

Herein lies the schizophrenia of the enviroloons....They are demanding all these solar panels, yet staunchly stand against any efforts to mine the resources necessary to build them.

 

[sparky]

I have seen it before, and the chart shows it isn't a big deal which is why they never talk about that part just the misleading potency claims which is what they have brought up for years which is useless without the corresponding IR absorption effect which they never show.

This is what i asked pages ago Suns, and am still looking for an answer

Evaluated Infrared Spectra

webbook.nist.gov

~S~