Yes! Trump should work to closed down the un-constitutional federal Dept of Education

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On Oct. 17th, 1979 the unconstitutional Department of Education Organization Act was approved, and it is time to not only close this unconstitutional federal agency down but end federal funding to the unconstitutional National Endowment for the Arts, and the unconstitutional National Endowment for the Humanities.

Closing down these three blatantly unconstitutional federal agencies would leave in the pockets of America’s taxpayers about $68 billion per year.

How do I know these federal agencies are not only unconstitutional, and survive by devouring about $68 billion from the people’s treasury? I know it is true because a review of historical documentation, including the debates during which time our constitution was framed, confirms the fact.

Upon researching the record of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, we find Delegate Charles Pickney, on August 18th, proposed a broad power “To establish seminaries for the promotion of literature and the arts and sciences”, but this proposal was rejected by the Convention in favor of a limited grant of power expressed in Article 1, Section 8, Cl.8, of the proposed constitution. The limited power, later agreed upon by ratification of our Constitution authorizes Congress "[t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts”. And how may this be done by the terms of our Constitution? Our Constitution states explicitly ”… by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

Additionally, and with respect to the above mentioned spending, Representative Page’s words, spoken on Feb.7th, 1792 elaborates on the suffering we now experience by our Constitution being subverted.

"The framers of the Constitution guarded so much against a possibility of such partial preferences as might be given, if Congress had the right to grant them, that, even to encourage learning and useful arts, the granting of patents is the extent of their power. And surely nothing could be less dangerous to the sovereignty or interest of the individual States than the encouragement which might be given to ingenious inventors or promoters of valuable inventions in the arts and sciences. The encouragement which the General Government might give to the fine arts, to commerce, to manufactures, and agriculture, might, if judiciously applied, redound to the honor of Congress, and the splendor, magnificence, and real advantage of the United States; but the wise framers of our Constitution saw that, if Congress had the power of exerting what has been called a royal munificence for these purposes, Congress might, like many royal benefactors, misplace their munificence; might elevate sycophants, and be inattentive to men unfriendly to the views of Government; might reward the ingenuity of the citizens of one State, and neglect a much greater genius of another. A citizen of a powerful State it might be said, was attended to, whilst that of one of less weight in the Federal scale was totally neglected. It is not sufficient, to remove these objections, to say, as some gentlemen have said, that Congress in incapable of partiality or absurdities, and that they are as far from committing them as my colleagues or myself. I tell them the Constitution was formed on a supposition of human frailty, and to restrain abuses of mistaken powers.” SEE: Annals of Congress Feb 7th,1792 Rep Page (enter 194 in the small box at the top of the page)

We must also take into account that our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment, was specifically adopted “. . . in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (our newly created federal government’s) powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added”. SOURCE

And let us not forget that Madison, in Federalist 45, summarizes the division of federal and state powers as follows:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."

So, by what wording in our federal Constitution has Congress been granted power to tax and spend $68 billion per year on the institutions mentioned above who openly participate in indoctrination, propaganda, and advocate for sexual deviant behavior?

JWK

As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.___Supreme Court Justice William Douglas
 
Wait, are you referencing the real Constitution, or the Democrat Constitution? You know, the one that says "Democrats can do whatever they want"?

I wouldn't think of referencing the Democrat's imaginary constitution which creates agencies that participate in indoctrination, propaganda, and use tax dollars to display sexual deviant behavior such as Andres Serrano's anti-Christian bigotry called "P*** Christ"; Robert Mapplethorpe’s homosexual display called “The Perfect Moment”; Annie Sprinkle’s pornographic performances at a New York theater; Karen Finley, “the nude, chocolate smeared women”; Kyle Abraham’s “The Watershed and When the Wolves Came In” focusing on sexual identity; a 2016 festival for sexual deviant singing groups who appeared in a “flash mob” in Denver; taxpayer financing for a sexual deviant festival in San Francisco; funding for the Feminist Press at the City University of New York to digitize classic LGBT titles; an open mic group in D.C for story telling about “Queer Culture in America"; and the latest venomous and hateful smut on display financed by tax revenue being Shakespeare In Central Park depicting the violent murder of President Trump.

That Constitution is about to be given the boot, along with the sexual deviants who imagine it exists.
 
And the department of commerce...shut that down ad well.

Maybe. Maybe not. But it must keep in mind that Congress is delegated a power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes".

But there is no power delegated to tax and spend for a department of education.
 
On Oct. 17th, 1979 the unconstitutional Department of Education Organization Act was approved, and it is time to not only close this unconstitutional federal agency down but end federal funding to the unconstitutional National Endowment for the Arts, and the unconstitutional National Endowment for the Humanities.

Closing down these three blatantly unconstitutional federal agencies would leave in the pockets of America’s taxpayers about $68 billion per year.

How do I know these federal agencies are not only unconstitutional, and survive by devouring about $68 billion from the people’s treasury? I know it is true because a review of historical documentation, including the debates during which time our constitution was framed, confirms the fact.

Upon researching the record of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, we find Delegate Charles Pickney, on August 18th, proposed a broad power “To establish seminaries for the promotion of literature and the arts and sciences”, but this proposal was rejected by the Convention in favor of a limited grant of power expressed in Article 1, Section 8, Cl.8, of the proposed constitution. The limited power, later agreed upon by ratification of our Constitution authorizes Congress "[t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts”. And how may this be done by the terms of our Constitution? Our Constitution states explicitly ”… by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

Additionally, and with respect to the above mentioned spending, Representative Page’s words, spoken on Feb.7th, 1792 elaborates on the suffering we now experience by our Constitution being subverted.

"The framers of the Constitution guarded so much against a possibility of such partial preferences as might be given, if Congress had the right to grant them, that, even to encourage learning and useful arts, the granting of patents is the extent of their power. And surely nothing could be less dangerous to the sovereignty or interest of the individual States than the encouragement which might be given to ingenious inventors or promoters of valuable inventions in the arts and sciences. The encouragement which the General Government might give to the fine arts, to commerce, to manufactures, and agriculture, might, if judiciously applied, redound to the honor of Congress, and the splendor, magnificence, and real advantage of the United States; but the wise framers of our Constitution saw that, if Congress had the power of exerting what has been called a royal munificence for these purposes, Congress might, like many royal benefactors, misplace their munificence; might elevate sycophants, and be inattentive to men unfriendly to the views of Government; might reward the ingenuity of the citizens of one State, and neglect a much greater genius of another. A citizen of a powerful State it might be said, was attended to, whilst that of one of less weight in the Federal scale was totally neglected. It is not sufficient, to remove these objections, to say, as some gentlemen have said, that Congress in incapable of partiality or absurdities, and that they are as far from committing them as my colleagues or myself. I tell them the Constitution was formed on a supposition of human frailty, and to restrain abuses of mistaken powers.” SEE: Annals of Congress Feb 7th,1792 Rep Page (enter 194 in the small box at the top of the page)

We must also take into account that our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment, was specifically adopted “. . . in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (our newly created federal government’s) powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added”. SOURCE

And let us not forget that Madison, in Federalist 45, summarizes the division of federal and state powers as follows:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."


So, by what wording in our federal Constitution has Congress been granted power to tax and spend $68 billion per year on the institutions mentioned above who openly participate in indoctrination, propaganda, and advocate for sexual deviant behavior?

JWK

As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.___Supreme Court Justice William Douglas
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Next on the list is Planned Parenthood federal funding to the amount of $554 per year.
Saving 500 million here and there, pretty soon we're talking real money!
Trump's creation of DOGE! will start the cuts/ I can hear the Neo-Marxists Democrats screaming now ...
 
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Next on the list is Planned Parenthood federal funding to the amount of $554 per year.
Saving 500 million here and there, pretty soon we're talking real money!
Trump's creation of DOGE! will start the cuts/ I can hear the Neo-Marxists Democrats screaming now ...
:yes_text12:

Let us examine A-Z index of U.S. government departments and agencies We should be able to find many to put on the chopping block.
 
On Oct. 17th, 1979 the unconstitutional Department of Education Organization Act was approved, and it is time to not only close this unconstitutional federal agency down but end federal funding to the unconstitutional National Endowment for the Arts, and the unconstitutional National Endowment for the Humanities.

Closing down these three blatantly unconstitutional federal agencies would leave in the pockets of America’s taxpayers about $68 billion per year.

How do I know these federal agencies are not only unconstitutional, and survive by devouring about $68 billion from the people’s treasury? I know it is true because a review of historical documentation, including the debates during which time our constitution was framed, confirms the fact.

Upon researching the record of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, we find Delegate Charles Pickney, on August 18th, proposed a broad power “To establish seminaries for the promotion of literature and the arts and sciences”, but this proposal was rejected by the Convention in favor of a limited grant of power expressed in Article 1, Section 8, Cl.8, of the proposed constitution. The limited power, later agreed upon by ratification of our Constitution authorizes Congress "[t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts”. And how may this be done by the terms of our Constitution? Our Constitution states explicitly ”… by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

Additionally, and with respect to the above mentioned spending, Representative Page’s words, spoken on Feb.7th, 1792 elaborates on the suffering we now experience by our Constitution being subverted.

"The framers of the Constitution guarded so much against a possibility of such partial preferences as might be given, if Congress had the right to grant them, that, even to encourage learning and useful arts, the granting of patents is the extent of their power. And surely nothing could be less dangerous to the sovereignty or interest of the individual States than the encouragement which might be given to ingenious inventors or promoters of valuable inventions in the arts and sciences. The encouragement which the General Government might give to the fine arts, to commerce, to manufactures, and agriculture, might, if judiciously applied, redound to the honor of Congress, and the splendor, magnificence, and real advantage of the United States; but the wise framers of our Constitution saw that, if Congress had the power of exerting what has been called a royal munificence for these purposes, Congress might, like many royal benefactors, misplace their munificence; might elevate sycophants, and be inattentive to men unfriendly to the views of Government; might reward the ingenuity of the citizens of one State, and neglect a much greater genius of another. A citizen of a powerful State it might be said, was attended to, whilst that of one of less weight in the Federal scale was totally neglected. It is not sufficient, to remove these objections, to say, as some gentlemen have said, that Congress in incapable of partiality or absurdities, and that they are as far from committing them as my colleagues or myself. I tell them the Constitution was formed on a supposition of human frailty, and to restrain abuses of mistaken powers.” SEE: Annals of Congress Feb 7th,1792 Rep Page (enter 194 in the small box at the top of the page)

We must also take into account that our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment, was specifically adopted “. . . in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (our newly created federal government’s) powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added”. SOURCE

And let us not forget that Madison, in Federalist 45, summarizes the division of federal and state powers as follows:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."


So, by what wording in our federal Constitution has Congress been granted power to tax and spend $68 billion per year on the institutions mentioned above who openly participate in indoctrination, propaganda, and advocate for sexual deviant behavior?

JWK

As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.___Supreme Court Justice William Douglas
You want to eliminate the Space Force and even the Air force while we are at it? According to your logic, they are unconstitutional as well.

This has already been argued before SCOTUS for other laws passed by Congress. They are constitutional. It is known as the "necessary and proper: or "elastic" clause.

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You want to eliminate the Space Force and even the Air force while we are at it?

Only a nitwit would post something like that, or someone who ignores the powers delegated to our federal government under Article 1, Section 8, and the documented intentions and beliefs for which they were granted which gives context to the text. There is no question today's Air Force and Space Force come within those powers delegated to defend the United States against all enemies.

Rub your bullshit on your chest, chump. Get on board and bone up on the Trump dance, your commie, and sexual deviant pals lost the election

 
Only a nitwit would post something like that, or someone who ignores the powers delegated to our federal government under Article 1, Section 8, and the documented intentions and beliefs for which they were granted which gives context to the text. There is no question today's Air Force and Space Force come within those powers delegated to defend the United States against all enemies.

Rub your bullshit on your chest, chump. Get on board and bone up on the Trump dance, your commie, and sexual deviant pals lost the election


Listen up, dumbass! I just disproved your case wrong with the Constitution. I support Trump, but I support the Constitution also, and foremost. Cite a reference in the Constitution which allows for the formation of the Department of Defense, Air Force, and Space Force. You can't because they are not there. Don't get pissy with me because you never had a teacher like me when you were in school. I taught American government from 1997-2004 at a high school in Jacksonville Florida. I passed a test to certify I could teach the topic. What are your qualifications, other than being a forum blowhard know-nothing?
 
You want to eliminate the Space Force and even the Air force while we are at it? According to your logic, they are unconstitutional as well.

This has already been argued before SCOTUS for other laws passed by Congress. They are constitutional.
Space Force? Is this a Elon Musk Thing before we KNEW it was an Elon Musk Thing?
I support Trump, but I support the Constitution also, and foremost.
Space Force......Is it in the Constitution?
 
Well, for e.g. see:

"The Army, Navy, and Air Force are comprehended in the constitutional term "armies." Article I, § 8, provides that Congress may "raise and support Armies," and "provide and maintain a Navy," and make "Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces."

Laird v. Tatum, 408 U.S. 1 (1972)​

 
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Next on the list is Planned Parenthood federal funding to the amount of $554 per year.
Saving 500 million here and there, pretty soon we're talking real money!
Trump's creation of DOGE! will start the cuts/ I can hear the Neo-Marxists Democrats screaming now ...
And NPR as well
 

A trip down memory lane and our perverted government agencies​


Is it not an irrefutable fact that the above mentioned federal agencies have openly participate in indoctrination, propaganda, and have used tax dollars to display sexual deviant behavior such as Andres Serrano's anti-Christian bigotry called "P*** Christ"; Robert Mapplethorpe’s homosexual display called “The Perfect Moment”; Annie Sprinkle’s pornographic performances at a New York theater; Karen Finley, “the nude, chocolate smeared women”; Kyle Abraham’s “The Watershed and When the Wolves Came In” focusing on sexual identity; a 2016 festival for sexual deviant singing groups who appeared in a “flash mob” in Denver; taxpayer financing for a sexual deviant festival in San Francisco; funding for the Feminist Press at the City University of New York to digitize classic LGBT titles; an open mic group in D.C for story telling about “Queer Culture in America"; and the latest venomous and hateful smut on display financed by tax revenue being Shakespeare In Central Park depicting the violent murder of President Trump.

Our Founders were absolutely correct to limit Congress’ power to “… securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries” when promoting "... the Progress of Science and useful Arts."

Are we to believe that Drag queen dancing is a “useful” art?

 
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Well, for e.g. see:

"The Army, Navy, and Air Force are comprehended in the constitutional term "armies." Article I, § 8, provides that Congress may "raise and support Armies," and "provide and maintain a Navy," and make "Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces."

Laird v. Tatum, 408 U.S. 1 (1972)​

Elastic clause. That case had nothing to do with the constitutionality of the services. Try reading your links, dumbass!
 

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