WTC-7 Was NOT A Controlled Demolition Inside Job

[Fizz]

then why post such nonsense..that is total irrelevant to the topic the speed and symmetrical nature of the collapse and the presence of molten steel is evidence of a controlled demolition

because i'm showing you how absurd some of your views are.

 

[SFC Ollie]

then why post such nonsense..that is total irrelevant to the topic the speed and symmetrical nature of the collapse and the presence of molten steel is evidence of a controlled demolition

because i'm showing you how absurd some of your views are.

Actually I haven't seen any proof that what was reported was molten steel. For all I know it was copper or aluminum. Or a dozen other alloys. Since there was tons and tons and hundreds of tons of other metals in those buildings.

 

[DiveCon]

then why post such nonsense..that is total irrelevant to the topic the speed and symmetrical nature of the collapse and the presence of molten steel is evidence of a controlled demolition

because i'm showing you how absurd some of your views are.

Actually I haven't seen any proof that what was reported was molten steel. For all I know it was copper or aluminum. Or a dozen other alloys. Since there was tons and tons and hundreds of tons of other metals in those buildings.

too much common sense for troofers

 

[eots]

then why post such nonsense..that is total irrelevant to the topic the speed and symmetrical nature of the collapse and the presence of molten steel is evidence of a controlled demolition

because i'm showing you how absurd some of your views are.

polls prove nothing anyone with any sense knows that

 

[the other mike]

Plain and simple.

The failure of the structure was due mostly to thermal expansion. You see, Terral would like you to think that the connections and steel columns/beams needed to reach temperatures of 2800F in order to MELT. The columns, connections, and beams didn't need to melt to cause structural failure in the building. Think of this. If you have two columns with a beam between them bolted to each and applied heat to the beam, what happens? The steel GROWS as it is heated.

One inch of steel grows .00000645 of an inch per degree F. So a 30 foot beam equals 360 inches. 360 x .00000645 equals .002322 inches. .002322 inches x 100F equals .2322 inches. So a 30 foot beam at 100F grows almost a 1/4 inch.

According to NIST, the fireproofing kept the temperatures of the columns in WTC7 to 570F and no higher. So 30 feet of steel column at 570F would have grown by (570F x .002322 equals 1.32 inches) more than 1 1/4 inches.

According to NIST, the floor beams in the east side of the building reached 1, 100F. So a 30 foot beam would have grown (1,100F x .002322 equals 2.5543 inches) over 2 1/2 inches. What does that do to the bolted connections on the columns?

Let's look at this. I worked in steel mills. They use steam and superheated steam all the time. Here is a picture what they call an "expansion loop" designed into the steam line.

As the pipelines grow and shrink from use, the two lower "elbows" grow toward and shrink away from each other. The pipes utilize what's called a "roller" to allow the pipe to expand/contract. Here is a picture of a roller which is installed under the pipe.

Here is a drawing of where the "roller" is located under the pipe.

I have seen welded pipe supports sheared off of support beams because of improper placement of expansion "rollers" and "expansion loops". What do you think happens to the bolted connections of floor beams? Steam in steel mills run at temperatures of 500F to 1100F.

Not only did we have thermal expansion amongst the beams/columns, but let's throw in the fact that the steel columns and beams also WEAKENED due to the fire.

Did you ever turn on your hot water at home and hear the "creaking" noises? That's the copper pipes expanding due to the hot water running through them.

So now we have connections popping from thermal expansion, but add in the strength of the steel weakening. This all lead to the collapse of the main column in the building, below the mechanical penthouse, which has been shown to have collapsed in the video I present and why Terral only shows you the part of the video AFTER that happens.

Quite dishonest eh?

So, the columns did not need to "melt" for the steel structure to fail. This is why they use arguments like "melted steel" and "no fire can melt steel". They don't understand thermal expansion and steel weakening and try to divert people away from the actual explanation. This is why Dr. Quintiere says HIS theory is that heat caused the CONNECTIONS to fail, not the beams as NIST says. THAT'S why he wants the study to be looked at again. Not because of thermite or explosives.

The fact still remains that Terral disproves his own claims about thermite being used when he says that no "burning" or "melting" is evident in this next photo that HE annotated. Kind of disproves thermite being used huh?

There's a whole site and PDFs that discuss how thermal expansion and fires caused the WTC7 to collapse. Terral is making shit up in his own theory which is why he won't answer any of my questions in the other thread he made.

Yeah.
This is the thread that should be in 'conspiracy theories'.

 

[the other mike]

I can tell.

 

[Soupnazi630]

i agree. so who do you think is being irrational? the 77% of americans that said unlikely or the 6% that said very likely?

Question:
The collapse if the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.

Answers: (992 respondents)
Very likely 6%
Somewhat likely 10%
Unlikely 77%
Don't know 6%
Other response 1%

most polls put the number at a third some much higher but it is irrelevant crime investigations are not conducted through poll

even if its as high as you say in some polls most people overwhelmingly think it is not rational. in fact, people are twice as likely to believe that aliens have contacted humans than explosives were used at the world trade center. that should give you some perspective on your logic and rationality.

CNN - Poll: U.S. hiding knowledge of aliens - June 15, 1997

then why post such nonsense..that is total irrelevant to the topic the speed and symmetrical nature of the collapse and the presence of molten steel is evidence of a controlled demolition

No it is not and the only molten steel was found days after the collapse at the bottom of the pile where heat had been trapped.

 

[KokomoJojo]

No it is not and the only molten steel was found days after the collapse at the bottom of the pile where heat had been trapped.

it was trapped and preserved so nist could report and explain it, so cough it up.

 

[KokomoJojo]

For all I know it was copper or aluminum.

Thats a nice way to disqualify yourself

 

[Soupnazi630]

No it is not and the only molten steel was found days after the collapse at the bottom of the pile where heat had been trapped.

it was trapped and preserved so nist could report and explain it, so cough it up.

Bullshit you are really an ignorant fucking fool now post some evideence of your claims BOY

 

[the other mike]

"Thermal expansion"

 

[the other mike]

Plain and simple.

The failure of the structure was due mostly to thermal expansion. You see, Terral would like you to think that the connections and steel columns/beams needed to reach temperatures of 2800F in order to MELT. The columns, connections, and beams didn't need to melt to cause structural failure in the building. Think of this. If you have two columns with a beam between them bolted to each and applied heat to the beam, what happens? The steel GROWS as it is heated.

One inch of steel grows .00000645 of an inch per degree F. So a 30 foot beam equals 360 inches. 360 x .00000645 equals .002322 inches. .002322 inches x 100F equals .2322 inches. So a 30 foot beam at 100F grows almost a 1/4 inch.

According to NIST, the fireproofing kept the temperatures of the columns in WTC7 to 570F and no higher. So 30 feet of steel column at 570F would have grown by (570F x .002322 equals 1.32 inches) more than 1 1/4 inches.

According to NIST, the floor beams in the east side of the building reached 1, 100F. So a 30 foot beam would have grown (1,100F x .002322 equals 2.5543 inches) over 2 1/2 inches. What does that do to the bolted connections on the columns?

Let's look at this. I worked in steel mills. They use steam and superheated steam all the time. Here is a picture what they call an "expansion loop" designed into the steam line.

As the pipelines grow and shrink from use, the two lower "elbows" grow toward and shrink away from each other. The pipes utilize what's called a "roller" to allow the pipe to expand/contract. Here is a picture of a roller which is installed under the pipe.

Here is a drawing of where the "roller" is located under the pipe.

I have seen welded pipe supports sheared off of support beams because of improper placement of expansion "rollers" and "expansion loops". What do you think happens to the bolted connections of floor beams? Steam in steel mills run at temperatures of 500F to 1100F.

Not only did we have thermal expansion amongst the beams/columns, but let's throw in the fact that the steel columns and beams also WEAKENED due to the fire.

Did you ever turn on your hot water at home and hear the "creaking" noises? That's the copper pipes expanding due to the hot water running through them.

So now we have connections popping from thermal expansion, but add in the strength of the steel weakening. This all lead to the collapse of the main column in the building, below the mechanical penthouse, which has been shown to have collapsed in the video I present and why Terral only shows you the part of the video AFTER that happens.

Quite dishonest eh?

So, the columns did not need to "melt" for the steel structure to fail. This is why they use arguments like "melted steel" and "no fire can melt steel". They don't understand thermal expansion and steel weakening and try to divert people away from the actual explanation. This is why Dr. Quintiere says HIS theory is that heat caused the CONNECTIONS to fail, not the beams as NIST says. THAT'S why he wants the study to be looked at again. Not because of thermite or explosives.

The fact still remains that Terral disproves his own claims about thermite being used when he says that no "burning" or "melting" is evident in this next photo that HE annotated. Kind of disproves thermite being used huh?

There's a whole site and PDFs that discuss how thermal expansion and fires caused the WTC7 to collapse. Terral is making shit up in his own theory which is why he won't answer any of my questions in the other thread he made.

All three towers were controlled demolitions ."plain and simple"

 

[the other mike]

World Trade Center 7 building did not collapse due to fire: Report - Daily Commercial News

A group of engineers and architects is demanding the American National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) retract and correct a 2008 report that concluded one of three World Trade Center buildings collapsed because fire weakened the steel suppor

canada.constructconnect.com

 

[Soupnazi630]

World Trade Center 7 building did not collapse due to fire: Report - Daily Commercial News

A group of engineers and architects is demanding the American National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) retract and correct a 2008 report that concluded one of three World Trade Center buildings collapsed because fire weakened the steel suppor

canada.constructconnect.com

AED911truth is worthless and does not constitute evidence

 

[the other mike]

AED911truth is worthless and does not constitute evidence

Name one thing they've gotten wrong.

And we can believe everything our government says right ?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Name one thing they've gotten wrong.

And we can believe everything our government says right ?

That they are architects and engineers .
And no but in this case no one has challenged the NIST report

 

[the other mike]

That they are architects and engineers .
And no but in this case no one has challenged the NIST report

Just because people haven't put forward certain physical evidence which will disprove NISTs entire report, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

For one thing, there hasn't been a grand jury yet because state of New York and feds keep putting it off.....

Since when do plaintiffs have to give up their information before their day in court ?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Just because people haven't put forward certain physical evidence which will disprove NISTs entire report, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

For one thing, there hasn't been a grand jury yet because state of New York and feds keep putting it off.....

Since when do plaintiffs have to give up their information before their day in court ?

Yes that is precidsely what it means.

There is no evidence disproving the NISt report and no one has ever put forth any siuch evideence proving it does not exist.

Since the rules of science were established

 

[the other mike]

" there are no plaintiffs and there will be no grand jury..."
Soupnazi630
Like Ace Ventura says...."Denial can be an ugly thing..."

 

[the other mike]

There is no evidence disproving the NISt report

You can keep saying that for ten more years and it still won't be true.