Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

So why is everything better.

Thats what happens when someones mind has been taken over by a cult. They "believe" that up is down, down is up, wrong is right, right is wrong, good is evil, and evil is good.

This is the subject of demonic possession in the Gospels. The "magical arts", sorcery, etc., was the ancients way of describing mind control, brainwashing, what you are suffering from.

 

[hobelim]

In addition, President Trump has acknowledged the greatness of the Bible

Sure. He acknowledge the greatness of a book he never read and was holding it like it was a bag of dog shit. Can't you see through his bullshit? He is a career con artist, the epitome of and direct descendant of that talking serpent of old. Damn. Some people are not too swift!

 

[hadit]

By trying to deny that you have become an oblivious asshole with your "beliefs" that contradict reality you are just proving that you are an oblivious asshole.

And you refuse to acknowledge what I've said. Poor form, that.

 

[Mac1958]

MAGA CINOs have sold their soul to a person who is essentially the opposite of the Jesus they claim to follow.

End of story. They're lost.

 

[hobelim]

And you refuse to acknowledge what I've said. Poor form, that.

I saw what you said and it proves what I said. Deal with it like a man who reflects the image and likeness of one, Holy (separate) God. Anyway I was wrong to say billions of people are not too swift even if its true, because the greater truth is that no one else in heaven on earth or under the earth, however intelligent, could do what I have done even if they lived forever.

 

[hadit]

I saw what you said and it proves what I said. Deal with it like a man who reflects the image and likeness of one, Holy (separate) God. Anyway I was wrong to say billions of people are not too swift even if its true because the greater truth is that no one else in heaven on the earth or under the earth could do what I have done even if they lived forever.

Rather inflated sense of yourself there, and you still haven't acknowledged that you continue spouting things that are not true. It will be a short time before you again claim I believe something I have said I do not.

Also of interest is you believing that God deliberately hid His commands in code that only you were able to crack, thus deliberately consigning billions to eternal separation from Him through their ignorance. You believe some horrendous things about God's character.

Now, what special things have you accomplished, given that you do not believe the laws of the universe can be violated, even by the Creator?

 

[DennisPTate]

I saw what you said and it proves what I said. Deal with it like a man who reflects the image and likeness of one, Holy (separate) God. Anyway I was wrong to say billions of people are not too swift even if its true, sorry, because the greater truth is that no one else in heaven on the earth or under the earth could do what I have done even if they lived forever.

What a truly fascinating comment Hobelim?!

I get the funny feeling that I am supposed to get into a rather serious conversation with you on a topic that most professional theologians would find somewhat offensive.

I like the idea of putting it into this other discussion that I already have going:

I shall now go through this discussion to see if you have already replied there:

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"Does Satan work for Jesus?"​

Zone1 Thread 'Does Satan work for Jesus?'

Dec 7, 2025

I admit that this question is going to be rather controversial but a pretty powerful case can be presented from The Book of Job as well as from the Christian scriptures that perhaps, Satan is obeying every command that he receives from Jesus, [who apparently has the authority to send people like near death experiencer Robert Marshall back to this earth with a mission that is relevant for all doctors and all nurses and all medical personnel in the USA and Canada and all the world]!

So if Satan is working for Jesus what is his job perhaps rather like?

Well, on one level I believe that...

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[hobelim]

What a truly fascinating comment Hobelim?!

I get the funny feeling that I am supposed to get into a rather serious conversation with you on a topic that most professional theologians would find somewhat offensive.

I like the idea of putting it into this other discussion that I already have going:

I shall now go through this discussion to see if you have already replied there:

[Six pages of replies but none from "Hobelim" so far]!

"Does Satan work for Jesus?"​

Zone1 Thread 'Does Satan work for Jesus?'

Dec 7, 2025

I admit that this question is going to be rather controversial but a pretty powerful case can be presented from The Book of Job as well as from the Christian scriptures that perhaps, Satan is obeying every command that he receives from Jesus, [who apparently has the authority to send people like near death experiencer Robert Marshall back to this earth with a mission that is relevant for all doctors and all nurses and all medical personnel in the USA and Canada and all the world]!

So if Satan is working for Jesus what is his job perhaps rather like?

Well, on one level I believe that...

• DennisPTate
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All I can say to that is that even Jesus said to his disciples that "Satan has been given permission to sift you all like wheat."

What does that tell you?

 

[hobelim]

Rather inflated sense of yourself there,

Not really. Its just a matter of fact.

 

[hobelim]

Also of interest is you believing that God deliberately hid His commands in code that only you were able to crack, thus deliberately consigning billions to eternal separation from Him through their ignorance.

You don't understand. Go figure! Its not a code I cracked, not a product of my thoughts or result of my intelligence, however formidable, lol.. The truth was revealed to me by my God in part because I am very humble. Anyway those who never rose to life on earth were judged according to their words and deeds. This eternal separation bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

As Jesus said, "If I had not come and spoken to you you would not be guilty of sin", but because you say "We see" YOUR guilt remains." As billions rise to eternal life all around you.

This shows that to be guilty of sin it has to be knowing. It follows that billions of people who never knew are not suffering eternal separation from God. But now you no longer have any excuse for your sins, your idolatry, sorcery, desecrating the WORDS of Jesus, and murders.

And the condition and fate of your eternal soul is what you are betting... on a losing hand.

You damn fool.

Now, what special things have you accomplished, given that you do not believe the laws of the universe can be violated, even by the Creator?

In full view of believers and unblievers alike I revealed hidden teaching never seen or heard before buried in the language used in scripture read by billions of people for 1,000's of years.

Now that's a miracle!

You might not realize this but the revelation is so simple the only rational conclusion is that my God reigns over the minds and lives of people either granting or dying comprehension.

You understand neither scripture nor the power of my God.

 

[DennisPTate]

You don't understand. Go figure! Its not a code I cracked, not a product of my thoughts or result of my intelligence, however formidable, lol.. The truth was revealed to me by my God in part because I am very humble. Anyway those who never rose to life on earth were judged according to their words and deeds. This eternal separation bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

As Jesus said, "If I had not come and spoken to you you would not be guilty of sin", but because you say "We see" YOUR guilt remains." As billions rise to eternal life all around you.

This shows that to be guilty of sin it has to be knowing. Now you no longer have any excuse.

In full view of believers and unblievers I revealed hidden teaching never seen or heard before buried in the language used in scripture read by billions of people for thousands of years.

Now that's a miracle!

You might not realize this but the revelation is so simple the only rational conclusion is that my God reigns over the minds and lives of people either granting or dying comprehension.

You understand neither scripture nor the power of my God.

Wow!!!!

I totally agree with your assertion that HUMILITY is the key to receive astonishing revelation and guidance by the Ruach ha Kodesh.

 

[hobelim]

Wow!!!!

I totally agree with your assertion that HUMILITY is the key to receive astonishing revelation and guidance by the Ruach ha Kodesh.

I want you to know that I find it very sad that some people don't realize that rising from the dead is as easy or as difficult as it is for anyone to be honest with themselves and others.

And humility is the key.

 

[DennisPTate]

All I can say to that is that even Jesus said to his disciples that "Satan has been given permission to sift you all like wheat."

What does that tell you?

That is an excellent question......
my guess as of today February 23, 2026 is that The Adversary - Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan.......
is one of the major league Psychological Profilers, not only in hell, but also on the earth.

I believe that Satan - The Adversary set up The Apostle Paul to become like a then modern General Abner..... who had been opposed to Messianic Jews as well as to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.....
and in a way..... The Adversary -Satan is a Movie Producer... [or at minimum Director], who has an important role to play in setting up some of the most extreme "Darkness to Light" Life stories.......
......
So just as General Abner and Prince Jonathan assisted King David at critical times in his life.....
and actually saved his life.....
so also the Apostle Paul is comparable to modern former Satanist Evangelist John Ramirez who had a near death experience back in 1999.

I believe that I personally can learn a lot from the Archangel Michael in his methods of contronting Satan.

Jude 9
But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

 

[hadit]

Not really. Its just a matter of fact.

You know what Scripture says about pride. It was what got Satan kicked out of heaven, after all.

 

[hadit]

You don't understand. Go figure! Its not a code I cracked, not a product of my thoughts or result of my intelligence, however formidable, lol.. The truth was revealed to me by my God in part because I am very humble. Anyway those who never rose to life on earth were judged according to their words and deeds. This eternal separation bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

As Jesus said, "If I had not come and spoken to you you would not be guilty of sin", but because you say "We see" YOUR guilt remains." As billions rise to eternal life all around you.

This shows that to be guilty of sin it has to be knowing. It follows that billions of people who never knew are not suffering eternal separation from God. But now you no longer have any excuse for your sins, your idolatry, sorcery, desecrating the WORDS of Jesus, and murders.

And the condition and fate of your eternal soul is what you are betting... on a losing hand.

You damn fool.


In full view of believers and unblievers alike I revealed hidden teaching never seen or heard before buried in the language used in scripture read by billions of people for 1,000's of years.

Now that's a miracle!

You might not realize this but the revelation is so simple the only rational conclusion is that my God reigns over the minds and lives of people either granting or dying comprehension.

You understand neither scripture nor the power of my God.

IOW, your god deliberately leaves those who seek Him ignorant. That's not the God of Scripture who says that if we seek, we find, if we knock, the door is opened, if we ask, it is given to us. No, you're not that special.

 

[DennisPTate]

You know what Scripture says about pride. It was what got Satan kicked out of heaven, after all.

That is absolutely correct!

Pride got Satan - The Adversary kicked out of heaven and if Christians are NOT humble.... they will not be able to make it into paradise or heaven.

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I believe that this fact fits with what was shown to the gifted Pastor Rick Joyner back in 1995.



Isaiah 57:15
For thus says the high and lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite.

[Rick Joyner] :
The Evil Army

I saw a demonic army so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost and most powerful divisions were Pride, Self righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, and Unrighteous Judgment, but the largest of all was Jealousy. The leader of this vast army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself. I knew that there were many more evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but these were the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell that was now being released against the church.

The weapons carried by this horde had names on them: the swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and their arrows were named Accusations, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons with such names as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Un-forgiveness and Lust were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack. I knew in my heart that the church had never faced anything like this before.

The main assignment of this army was to cause division. It was sent to attack every level of relationship-churches with each other, congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that rejection, bitterness, lust, etc., could exploit and make a larger breech for the divisions that were coming.

The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were well-dressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace.​

The Prisoners

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

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[hobelim]

IOW, your god deliberately leaves those who seek Him ignorant

No, my God deliberately abandons religious actors and lying frauds, like you, to their folly. Does that make him a meanie, or just letting you experience karma of your own free will?

 

[BreezeWood]

MAGA means less domestic government ruing our lives as Biden did and more foreign government power opposing socialism communism and violent Islam which Biden couldnt do. Its working.

- for a desert dweller all there is has long since past into an empty vacuum of delusion and deceit ...

violent judaism, all three desert religions - scurrilous commandments.

is less gov't means more bible to persecute and victimize the innocent - particularly jew's claiming antisemitism against any and all that do not worship the liars abraham and moses. hafar ... to crucify them is heavenly sent.

hafar claims all jews oppose socialism / communism - as though their type of worshiping is no different their midleast apartheid kibbutz, west bank enslavement, less gov't sure does help.

 

[Hafar1014]

violent judaism, all three desert religions - scurrilous commandments.

is less gov't means more bible to persecute and victimize the innocent - particularly jew's claiming antisemitism against any and all that do not worship the liars abraham and moses. hafar ... to crucify them is heavenly sent.

hafar claims all jews oppose socialism / communism - as though their type of worshiping is no different their midleast apartheid kibbutz, west bank enslavement, less gov't sure does help.

Therapy and medication will go a long way to clear up your mind.
Haldol (haloperidol) is a conventional (first-generation) antipsychotic medication used to treat schizophrenia, Tourette's syndrome, and severe behavioral problems or agitation. It works by decreasing abnormal excitement in the brain by blocking dopamine receptors. Common side effects include drowsiness, dizziness, constipation, dry mouth, and movement disorders (extrapyramidal symptoms).
Then once your stable and the Jew paranoia subsides Coherence Therapy. Ill give you a discount

 

[hadit]

No, my God deliberately abandons religious actors and lying frauds, like you, to their folly. Does that make him a meanie, or just letting you experience karma of your own free will?

You pretend that untold billions who have sought God earnestly with their whole hearts for millennia were wasting their time because God hid the way to salvation in code and only revealed it to you. You maintain this despite the very clear way to salvation as outlined in Scripture.

Then you think you can try feebly to insult me and pretend you are humble at the same time.