Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

did this fictional character hurl epithets at the Jews and threaten to slaughter them? Yes, he did. This "fictional character" was much like Trump in acting to drain the swamp.

When Jesus said, "As for those enemies of mine, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence", Luke 19:27, he was not talking about killing Jewish people moron just like the laws of ritual slaughter have nothing to do with killing farm animals in the name of the Lord.

Slaughter in the context of biblical language means to defeat, with WORDS. Like someone would say that a friend was slaughtered in a debate yet no one was killed, no blood shed.

As I have said to ding and several others, "You, a he goat without blemish, have been carefully chosen and prepared as a sacrifice for the expiation of sin. YOUR SLAUGHTER has been dedicated to the Lord, my God. The fat trimmed from the flesh stripped from the bone and tossed on the fire is a soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord. Ding has been SLAUGHTERED with such kindness and skill that he doesn't know it. He's remains a dick.

Your perverse literal interpretation of that one verse makes any antisemitic malignant narcissistic fascist pig scum, like Hitler or Trump, seem like a possible candidate for the returning Christ.

Shit for brains.

 

[Lockback]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

I won't pretend to speak for Jesus Christ, but I'm relatively certain he wouldn't support any politician of any party.
You kneejerk anti-Trumpers are so desperate to create more hatred, you'll make up an absurd false question in a weak attempt to prove your point. Which you didn't. Because Jesus wouldn't care about silly political stuff. He would have much bigger fish to fry.

 

[hobelim]

Because Jesus wouldn't care about silly political stuff.

Thats just dumb. Jesus lived in a tyrannical theocracy under brutal occupation by Rome.

Everything Jesus said and did had religious and political implications. He challenged their false claim to moral authority inspiring rebellion and unrest which is why he was crucified for sedition, as a human sacrifice to Mithras. On the Mithran cross.


What bigger fish to fry was there other than religion and politics.?

 

[ding]

Thats just dumb. Jesus lived in a tyrannical theocracy under brutal occupation by Rome.

Everything he said had religious and political implications. What bigger fish to fry was there other than Rome.

Chapter and verse?

 

[hobelim]

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[ding]

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Exactly. Your belief that Jesus was being political is a fairy tale.

 

[hobelim]

Exactly. Your belief that Jesus was being political is a fairy tale.

Sure, just like "casting out demons", "the celestial powers" being shaken, "stars falling from the sky", mountains crumbling into the sea, and valleys being lifted up has nothing to do with politics and religion.

 

[Lockback]

Thats just dumb. Jesus lived in a tyrannical theocracy under brutal occupation by Rome.

Everything Jesus said and did had religious and political implications. He challenged their false claim to moral authority inspiring rebellion and unrest which is why he was crucified for sedition, as a human sacrifice to Mithras. On the Mithran cross.


What bigger fish to fry was there other than religion and politics.?

I can't see Jesus pondering, "Hmmmm, Trump or Communists? Which should I pick?"

 

[ding]

Biblical passages show Jesus actively discouraged physical rebellion, telling his followers to put away swords (Matthew 26:52), stating His kingdom wasn't of this world (John 18:36), and submitting to arrest despite having divine power, fulfilling prophecy rather than leading an armed revolt. While some interpret His teachings (like those in Luke 19:27) as challenging earthly power structures, leading to charges of sedition, Jesus consistently taught spiritual transformation and non-resistance, emphasizing that His ultimate victory was spiritual, not political or military.

Key Passages Showing Jesus' Opposition to Physical Rebellion:

• Matthew 26:52: When Peter drew a sword to defend Him, Jesus said, "Put your sword back in its place. For all who draw the sword will die by the sword".
• John 18:36: When Pilate asked if He was a king, Jesus responded, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I might not be delivered to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world".
• Luke 23:2: Jesus was accused by the Jewish leaders of perverting the nation, forbidding taxes to Caesar, and claiming to be the Messiah-King, essentially accusing Him of political rebellion, but His response to Pilate was nuanced.

Passages Interpreted as Challenging Authority (But Not Direct Rebellion):

• Matthew 23:12: "Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted," challenging religious and political pride.
• Luke 19:27 (Parable of the Ten Minas): "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me." This is often debated as allegorical rather than a literal command for violence against non-believers.

Jesus' Focus:

• Spiritual Kingdom: Jesus' mission was a spiritual one, conquering sin and death, not earthly kingdoms.
• Non-Violence: His actions and words consistently pointed towards humility, sacrifice, and love, even for enemies.

In summary, Jesus never called for armed rebellion; instead, He submitted to authority to fulfill scripture, even when His followers, like Peter, misunderstood His mission as political and tried to use force.

 

[ElmerMudd]

I won't pretend to speak for Jesus Christ, but I'm relatively certain he wouldn't support any politician of any party.
You kneejerk anti-Trumpers are so desperate to create more hatred, you'll make up an absurd false question in a weak attempt to prove your point. Which you didn't. Because Jesus wouldn't care about silly political stuff. He would have much bigger fish to fry.

I agree with you that I don't think Jesus would support any political party. But the only political party calling Jesus their own are the MAGA Republicans.
One reason, I dont't feel Jesus would support the MAGA Republicans is their hate of so many groups of people; immigrants, Muslims, non-whites, anyone who does not support Trump. On and on.Trump and MAGA are built on fear, hate and division. That is not how a loving God works, in my opinion.

 

[Lockback]

I agree with you that I don't think Jesus would support any political party. But the only political party calling Jesus their own are the MAGA Republicans.
One reason, I dont't feel Jesus would support the MAGA Republicans is their hate of so many groups of people; immigrants, Muslims, non-whites, anyone who does not support Trump. On and on.Trump and MAGA are built on fear, hate and division. That is not how a loving God works, in my opinion.

A loving God also doesn't hate white Christian men, which the Democrats clearly do.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Aside from the screamingly obvious that the words MAGA and Nazi don't belong on the same planet, much less the same sentence, would you not agree that, should all the Christians of America unite and vote as a bloc for only the most faithful of candidates, you would oppose such as a theocracy? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it happen. I would love to see politicians held to the highest standards of behavior, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

Jesus had every reason to call His followers to resist the brutal Roman occupation when He walked the earth, in fact many expected Him to do just that, but what did he say? He said give to Ceasar what belongs to him. He said obey the law. He said if a soldier compelled you to carry his stuff for a mile, carry it for two. What I'm saying is, be careful when you urge the church to get involved with the state, because it's far too easy for the church to become corrupted by the state.

TRUMP! will be gone in three years or so. Who are you going to hate then?

There is no way all Christians would agree on one candidate. If the USA were a Christian theocracy what Christian philosophy would rule. There is division within the Christian religion on the interpretation of Jesus's teachings and the bible. That is why the founding fathers inputted seperation of church and state in our government. Almost all were Christian but different denominations. They did not want one denomination to tell all others how to worship.

 

[hobelim]

I can't see Jesus pondering, "Hmmmm, Trump or Communists? Which should I pick?"

No, Jesus would have noticed that trump was a bonified talking serpent who promised faithless cowards that he would protect democracy from communism with fascism. DERP.

He's openly screwing every American including his clueless supporters, yet you still don't see.

Such is the poison of serpents. I thank God daily that I was born immune to their venom.

 

[Lockback]

No, Jesus would have noticed that trump was a bonified talking serpent who promised faithless cowards that he would protect democracy from communism with fascism.

He is screwing every American including his clueless supporters.Yet you still don't see.

I'm not heavily influenced by both Satan and Marx, so I'm not seeing it.

 

[ElmerMudd]

A loving God also doesn't hate white Christian men, which the Democrats clearly do.

You paint all democrats with the same brush. If so, that is plain stupidity. The majority of Americans do not affiliate with either party.
There is a group of white christian men who think white christian men are better than all others; women and other races. Most white christian men do not think that way. But those that do, are looked on negatively by most in society.

 

[hobelim]

I'm not heavily influenced by both Satan and Marx, so I'm not seeing it.

You are not seeing it because you died and descended into hell. You are getting shafted publicly every day by a fetid fat pig, an egomaniacal scumbag, trump. This is not Kosher!

Queerdo.

 

[hadit]

There is no way all Christians would agree on one candidate. If the USA were a Christian theocracy what Christian philosophy would rule. There is division within the Christian religion on the interpretation of Jesus's teachings and the bible. That is why the founding fathers inputted seperation of church and state in our government. Almost all were Christian but different denominations. They did not want one denomination to tell all others how to worship.

You are making my point that MAGA is not a Christian organization. You are attempting to make the point that MAGA, a political group (not even an organization) should follow the teachings of Jesus while being one who would run screaming into the street if they actually did and insisted their chosen candidates did too, because there are enough of them to form a massive voting bloc that could not be ignored.

MAGA is political, not religious.

 

[Lockback]

You paint all democrats with the same brush. If so, that is plain stupidity. The majority of Americans do not affiliate with either party.
There is a group of white christian men who think white christian men are better than all others; women and other races. Most white christian men do not think that way. But those that do, are looked on negatively by most in society.

You paint all Republicans with the same brush, hypocrite. That's just plain stupidity.

 

[ding]

Sure, just like "casting out demons", "the celestial powers" being shaken, "stars falling from the sky", mountains crumbling into the sea, and valleys being lifted up has nothing to do with politics and religion.

Yep. His kingdom isn't of this world (John 18:36). While you may believe His teachings challenged earthly power structures, Jesus consistently taught spiritual transformation and non-resistance, emphasizing that His ultimate victory was spiritual, not political or military.

The many miracles he performed were a big deal and the reason they worshiped Jesus as God after he rose from the dead.

 

[ding]

No, Jesus would have noticed that trump was a bonified talking serpent who promised faithless cowards that he would protect democracy from communism with fascism. DERP.

He's openly screwing every American including his clueless supporters, yet you still don't see.

Such is the poison of serpents. I thank God daily that I was born immune to their venom.

Jesus said he died for the sins of man. He didn't say he died for some of the sins of man. Or that certain people were excluded.