Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

Yes, you keep bringing up Mothra and I keep telling you it has nothing to do with anything.

Ha ha. If nothing else it proves you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, Christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (the root of the word magician) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

 

[ding]

You are too stupid for words.

The H. in Jesus H. Christ just means THE. Jesus The Christ. If you don't believe me look it up.

He's not dumb enough to fall for your made up history and theology.

 

[ding]

Ha ha. If nothing else it proves you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, Christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (the root of the word magician) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

Based on biblical accounts and historical tradition, Peter’s ministry was centered in Jerusalem in the early 30s AD, before expanding to regional missions in Judea and Samaria, and finally to Antioch and Rome. Key dates for his missionary actions include:

• 30 AD (Pentecost): Peter begins his ministry in Jerusalem, preaching to thousands.
• c. 34–35 AD (Samaria and Coastal Plain): Peter journeys to Samaria to confirm new believers (Acts 8) and later preaches in Lydda and Joppa, where he raises Tabitha from the dead.
• c. 35–40 AD (Caesarea): Peter visits the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea, leading to the baptism of the first Gentile converts.
• c. 44 AD: Peter is imprisoned by Herod Agrippa in Jerusalem but escapes.
• c. 48–49 AD (Antioch): Peter travels to Antioch, where he interacts with Paul (referred to in Galatians 2).
• 49–50 AD (Jerusalem Council): Peter plays a key role in the Council of Jerusalem, affirming the Gentile mission.
• Late 50s–60s AD (Missionary Travels): Evidence suggests Peter traveled to regions in Asia Minor (mentioned in 1 Peter 1:1, such as Cappadocia, Galatia, and Bithynia).
• c. 60–64 AD (Rome): Peter travels to Rome, where he leads the church, writes his epistles, and is eventually martyred, likely in 64–68 AD.

 

[hadit]

You are too stupid for words.

The H. in Jesus H. Christ just means THE. Jesus The Christ. If you don't believe me look it up.

Then why do you display such open contempt and hatred for His followers and why do you feel the need to pervert and reinvent meanings for everything He said? You say you revere Him, act like it.

 

[hobelim]

He's not dumb enough to fall for your made up history and theology.

What do you think the H stand for in IHS?

 

[hadit]

Based on biblical accounts and historical tradition, Peter’s ministry was centered in Jerusalem in the early 30s AD, before expanding to regional missions in Judea and Samaria, and finally to Antioch and Rome. Key dates for his missionary actions include:

• 30 AD (Pentecost): Peter begins his ministry in Jerusalem, preaching to thousands.
• c. 34–35 AD (Samaria and Coastal Plain): Peter journeys to Samaria to confirm new believers (Acts 8) and later preaches in Lydda and Joppa, where he raises Tabitha from the dead.
• c. 35–40 AD (Caesarea): Peter visits the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea, leading to the baptism of the first Gentile converts.
• c. 44 AD: Peter is imprisoned by Herod Agrippa in Jerusalem but escapes.
• c. 48–49 AD (Antioch): Peter travels to Antioch, where he interacts with Paul (referred to in Galatians 2).
• 49–50 AD (Jerusalem Council): Peter plays a key role in the Council of Jerusalem, affirming the Gentile mission.
• Late 50s–60s AD (Missionary Travels): Evidence suggests Peter traveled to regions in Asia Minor (mentioned in 1 Peter 1:1, such as Cappadocia, Galatia, and Bithynia).
• c. 60–64 AD (Rome): Peter travels to Rome, where he leads the church, writes his epistles, and is eventually martyred, likely in 64–68 AD.

They can't see it because they don't recognize the Word as being accurate. Nothing can be taken as literal in the entire canon, leaving wide open for re-interpretation to suit their wishes.

 

[ding]

What do you think the H stand for in IHS?

What do you believe the H stands for in HPD?

 

[ding]

They can't see it because they don't recognize the Word as being accurate. Nothing can be taken as literal in the entire canon, leaving wide open for re-interpretation to suit their wishes.

That is a fact. The key is understanding their objective.

 

[hobelim]

Then why do you display such open contempt and hatred for His followers

You may not realize this but I have done for Christendom a favor for which they can never repay. You should be grateful for this info while you still have time left on earth to repent.

Sheesh! Some people just have no class.

and why do you feel the need to pervert and reinvent meanings for everything He said?

You must have forgotten to include in your speculations that Jesus lived in Judea during a time of extreme religious tyranny and brutal Roman oppression when there was no such thing as freedom of expression and people were stoned, maimed, flogged, imprisoned, enslaved, tortured and murdered on a daily basis for trivial reasons so he spoke in parables, metaphors, hyperbole, etc, figures of speech, the language of the prophets, just like any oppressed, demonized, or criminalized people have done and still do to this day. So to understand what Jesus meant one has to think deeply to decipher the figurative language. BTW. Its easy. As easy as deciphering the mysterious metaphor of a talking serpent. Damn.

This knowledge is the key that unlocks the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven. This is my flesh, the fruit of my mind. It's pleasing to the eye and good to eat so eat it and you will live.

Capisce?

 

[ding]

What do you think the H stand for in IHS?

IHS is a Christogram representing the first three letters of Jesus' name in Greek (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ), commonly seen in Christian art and architecture, and also interpreted as the Latin acrostic "Iesus Hominum Salvator" (Jesus, Savior of Mankind). It's a sacred monogram symbolizing the Holy Name of Jesus, popularized by saints like Bernardino of Siena and adopted by the Jesuit Order (Society of Jesus).

Primary Meaning (Greek)

• ΙΗΣΟΥΣ (Iēsoûs): The first three letters (ΙΗΣ) are abbreviated as IHS when Latinized.
  
  
• The Greek letter Sigma (Σ) looks like an 'S' in the Latin alphabet.
  

Secondary Meaning (Latin Acrostic)

• Iesus Hominum Salvator: "Jesus, Savior of Mankind".

Historical Significance

• Early Christianity:
  Used as a secret symbol or "Christogram" on tombs and homes to identify Christians.
  
  
• Middle Ages:
  Gained prominence through devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus, promoted by Franciscans.
  
  
• Jesuits:
  Adopted by St. Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits).
  

Variations

• Often seen with a cross above the 'H' or 'S', or integrated with other symbols like the Triple Tau.

 

[ding]

You may not realize this but I have done for Christendom a favor for which they can never repay. You should be grateful for this info while you still have time left on earth to repent.

Sheesh! Some people just have no class.


You must have forgotten to include in your speculations that Jesus lived in Judea during a time of extreme religious tyranny and brutal Roman oppression when there was no such thing as freedom of expression and people were stoned, maimed, flogged, imprisoned, enslaved, tortured and murdered on a daily basis for trivial reasons so he spoke in parables, metaphors, hyperbole, etc, figures of speech, the language of the prophets, just like any oppressed, demonized, or criminalized people have done and still do to this day. So to understand what Jesus meant one has to think deeply to decipher the figurative language. BTW. Its easy. As easy as deciphering the mysterious metaphor of a talking serpent. Damn.

This knowledge is the key that unlocks the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven. This is my flesh, the fruit of my mind. It's pleasing to the eye and good to eat so eat it and you will live.

Capisce?

Paul's missionary actions spanned roughly from the mid-40s AD to the mid-60s AD, encompassing three major journeys: the first around 45-47 AD (Asia Minor/Cyprus), the second from 49-52 AD (Macedonia/Greece), and the third from 53-58 AD (Ephesus/Asia Minor), followed by imprisonments in Judea and Rome, and further post-release travels before his martyrdom around 67 AD.
Here's a breakdown of his key missionary periods:

• Conversion & Early Ministry: Around 32-37 AD, Paul converted on the Damascus Road, followed by time in Arabia and Tarsus.
• First Missionary Journey: ~45-47 AD, with Barnabas, to Cyprus and Asia Minor (Acts 13-14).
• Second Missionary Journey: ~49-52 AD, with Silas, through Asia Minor, Macedonia, and Greece (Acts 15-18).
• Third Missionary Journey: ~53-58 AD, focusing heavily on Ephesus and then revisiting Greek churches (Acts 18-21).
• Imprisonment & Final Travels: Arrested in Jerusalem (~58 AD), held in Caesarea (58-60 AD), shipwrecked to Rome (61 AD), house arrest in Rome (61-63 AD), followed by possible travels to Spain and Crete before a final Roman imprisonment and martyrdom (~67 AD).

 

[hobelim]

IHS is a Christogram

Jesus H. Christ is translated from the Greek name Iesous Ho Christo, Jesus The Christ, which is translated from His Aramaic birth name Yahoushua HaMashiach.

 

[hadit]

You may not realize this but I have done for Christendom a favor for which they can never repay. You should be grateful for this info while you still have time left on earth to repent.

Sheesh! Some people just have no class.

So, no concern about the billions who lived in ignorance for thousands of years because God hid the entire Law and Gospel in code, only to be revealed to you alone thousands of years after the fact? We're supposed to believe about God, that He became one of us, gave the world the Gospel of salvation, only to hide it in code so no one would understand any of it until thousands of years later He reveals it to you alone? I emphatically do NOT believe that about God. Apparently, you do.

You must have forgotten to include in your speculations that Jesus lived in Judea during a time of extreme religious tyranny and brutal Roman oppression when there was no such thing as freedom of expression and people were stoned, maimed, flogged, imprisoned, enslaved, tortured and murdered on a daily basis for trivial reasons so he spoke in parables, metaphors, hyperbole, etc, figures of speech, the language of the prophets,

He said when He did that and told His disciples what He really meant. You know, like you claim God told you after thousands of years when Jesus very disciples labored under the misapprehension that Jesus was telling them what He meant.

He wasn't afraid of Rome and knew He was destined to be executed. It was all part of the plan He and the Father crafted before the world was created.

just like any oppressed, demonized, or criminalized people have done and still do to this day. So to understand what Jesus meant one has to think deeply to decipher the figurative language. BTW. Its easy. As easy as deciphering the mysterious metaphor of a talking serpent. Damn.

Like I said, apparently Jesus disciples, despite living, traveling with and listening to Jesus for years and having Him tell them what He actually meant when He was hiding things from the public but revealing it to them, got it all wrong and you got it all right, thus making your revelation superior to theirs? No, I don't buy it. You are contradicting what they had to say about Him, and I will take their word about what Jesus meant to say looooong before I'll take yours.

This knowledge is the key that unlocks the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven. This is my flesh, the fruit of my mind. It's pleasing to the eye and good to eat so eat it and you will live.

Capisce?

Getting your spiritual wisdom from Weird Al now? You know you're just digging the hole deeper, and it'll be even harder for you to climb back out, right?

 

[hobelim]

We're supposed to believe about God, that He became one of us,

Who told you that?

Was he crawling on its belly? And why would you even pretend to believe in such nonsense?

 

[ding]

Jesus H. Christ is translated from the Greek name Iesous Ho Christo, Jesus The Christ, which is translated from His Aramaic birth name Yahoushua HaMashiach.

IHS is a Christogram representing the first three letters of Jesus' name in Greek (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ), commonly seen in Christian art and architecture, and also interpreted as the Latin acrostic "Iesus Hominum Salvator" (Jesus, Savior of Mankind).

 

[hadit]

Who told you that?

Was he crawling on its belly? And why would you even pretend to believe in such nonsense?

Do you still maintain that you, after thousands of years, have a superior revelation about who Jesus is than the disciples who lived with and traveled with Jesus for years?

 

[hobelim]

They can't see it because they don't recognize the Word as being accurate. Nothing can be taken as literal in the entire canon, leaving wide open for re-interpretation to suit their wishes.

Not really. Not if a person is honest and has at least a second grade education and as long as they include REALITY, a reliable constant, as a constraint as to what is or isn't possible.

"So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim with a flaming and flashing SWORD, that turns in every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life."

 

[hobelim]

Do you still maintain that you, after thousands of years, have a superior revelation about who Jesus is than the disciples who lived with and traveled with Jesus for years?

Of course not. And I never said that you slippery devil!

That being said when Rome assimilated and perverted Christianity with Mithraism in 325ce they effectively buried the teachings of Jesus, what the disciples eventually understood, under a mountain of reprehensible blasphemy upon which the Church sits like a dragon.

And so what I have revealed is exactly what the disciples believed about Jesus. That he was a Jewish man, the prophet described by Moses who like Moses spoke with God face to face and was sent by God specifically "to convey all of His commands" Deuteronomy 18:18.

Simon Peter replied, "Lord, to whom shall we go? Your WORDS are WORDS of eternal life. We have faith and know that you are The Holy One of God." John 6:68, the Messiah.

Jesus said," There is more that I could tell you but the burden would be too great for you now." This shows that there was more that Jesus could have told them that they didn't know.

I suppose that burden is too great for you too because everything I have made known I have drawn from what Jesus taught. And you reject and denigrate it as the ravings of a lunatic. lol.


Thats some amazing faith you have going on there.

Can I get an oink oink?

 

[Michael1985]

He was apolitical. Voters who claim he'd support one party or candidate are just looking to justify their own support, quite often in an attempt to manipulate others into doing likewise.

 

[hadit]

Of course not. And I never said that you slippery devil!

That being said when Rome assimilated and perverted Christianity with Mithraism in 325ce they effectively buried the teachings of Jesus, what the disciples eventually understood, under a mountain of reprehensible blasphemy upon which the Church sits like a dragon.

And therein lies one of your weaknesses that you were not even aware of. In the 300 years before Rome legalized Christianity, it had spread far and wide around the world, outside of areas that Rome had absolute power over. That Gospel does not conflict with the Gospel we have from the 4th century.

And so what I have revealed is exactly what the disciples believed about Jesus. That he was a Jewish man, the prophet described by Moses, who like Moses spoke with God face to face and was sent by God specifically "to convey all of His commands" Deuteronomy 18:18.

Yet you have nothing more than the word of the disciples who they thought Jesus is. You don't have any source other than the Word as we have it today, and that Word contradicts what you say.

Simon Peter replied, "Lord, to whom shall we go? Your WORDS are WORDS of eternal life. We have faith and know that you are The Holy One of God." John 6:68, the Messiah.

Jesus said," There is more that I could tell you but the burden would be too great for you now." This shows that there was more that Jesus could have told them that they didn't know.

I suppose that burden is too great for you too because everything I have made known I have drawn from what Jesus taught. And you reject and denigrate it as the ravings of a lunatic. lol.

Thats some amazing faith you have going on there.

Can I get an oink oink?

How convenient. The Romans changed the life of Jesus as recorded in the hearts and minds of those who knew Him into a cheap Japanese sci-fi movie. Nope, didn't happen. You seem to have forgotten that the Gospel spread far and wide around the world well outside the influence of Rome, and the Gospel as preached there is the same that the Church is preaching today, that Yeshua is God come in the flesh, that He taught, performed miracles, was crucified and resurrected Himself from the dead and rose to the Father in the sight of 500+ witnesses. If Rome changed the Gospel, it would have clashed with theirs, but it did not. You also forget that there was 300 years before the Gospel canon was solidified, and Roman attempts to pervert the Gospel as known by millions did not squash the truth. God said His Word would remain, and it does.

Sorry, your Rome created Mothra fantasy doesn't hold water.