Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hadit]

He was apolitical. Voters who claim he'd support one party or candidate are just looking to justify their own support, quite often in an attempt to manipulate others into doing likewise.

That is very true, and those who try to push one side or the other to vote like they think Jesus would vote would be the first to run into the streets screaming about a theocracy if all American Christians would vote only for the Godliest candidates and hold them accountable to Christ's teachings.

 

[hadit]

Not really. Not if a person is honest and has at least a second grade education and as long as they include REALITY, a reliable constant, as a constraint as to what is or isn't possible.

"So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim with a flaming and flashing SWORD, that turns in every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life."

Like I said, you're invoking what you consider to be reality to claim Jesus couldn't possibly have been divine because He couldn't possibly perform actual miracles, all the while forgetting you're then saying it's impossible for the creator to control the creation.

 

[hobelim]

And therein lies one of your weaknesses that you were not even aware of. In the 300 years before Rome legalized Christianity, it had spread far and wide around the world, outside of areas that Rome had absolute power over. That Gospel does not conflict with the Gospel we have from the 4th century.

Except superstitious Romans were completely ignorant of Jewish literary devices that Jewish authors of scripture used for thousands of years to preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven from corruption by their enemies, buried and hidden far above their intellectual grasp.

Still works like a charm!

 

[hobelim]

Like I said, you're invoking what you consider to be reality

What I consider to be reality?

 

[hadit]

Except superstitious Romans were completely ignorant of Jewish literary devices that Jewish authors of scripture used for thousands of years to preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven from corruption by their enemies, buried and hidden far above their intellectual grasp.

Still works like a charm!

And you continue to ignore the spread of the Church into Asia and Africa. Why are you so myopically focused only on Rome? Is it because you forgot the rest of the Church?

 

[hadit]

What I consider to be reality?

Oh, maybe you don't really consider it reality and just make it all up?

 

[hobelim]

Oh, maybe you don't really consider it reality and just make it all up?

Thats ridiculous. Reality would be reality even if I never was born to tell you what you should already know about reality. That certain things are constant like gravity, death, biological truths and the fact that if scripture is true then God is not human. He never diddled a virgin to father himself without a human father. All of Jesus' so called "miracles' we're just signs that Jesus was the expected messiah all of which have nothing to do with anything supernatural and were just as miraculous as if you suddenly stopped being an asshole, repented for your obstinate stupidity, and rose from the death and the comfort of your mystery religion grave.

Its as simple as that.

 

[ding]

Thats ridiculous. Reality would be reality even if I never was born to tell you what you should already know about reality. That certain things are constant like gravity, death, biological truths and the fact that if scripture is true then God is not human. He never diddled a virgin to father himself without a human father. All of Jesus' so called "miracles' we're just signs that Jesus was the expected messiah all of which have nothing to do with anything supernatural and were just as miraculous as if you suddenly stopped being an asshole, repented for your obstinate stupidity, and rose from the death and the comfort of your mystery religion grave.

Its as simple as that.

You can't even admit the reality that Leviticus 18:22 is a command against men butt ******* other men.

 

[hobelim]

You can't even admit the reality that Leviticus 18:22 is a command against men butt ******* other men.

I already told you what its about which has nothing to do with sex. Are you hard of reading?

Pervert.

You can believe whatever you want and go through life tortured by the guilt of pretending to not be gay as you defy the same exact law by getting shafted by another man in church.

Enjoy!

 

[ding]

I already told you what its about which has nothing to do with sex. Are you hard of reading?

Pervert.

You can believe whatever you want and go through life tortured by the guilt of pretending to not be gay as you defy the same exact law by getting shafted by another man in church.

Enjoy!

In a passage with 22 commands of sex no no's. the command to not have sex with a man like one does with a woman, isn't about sex?

What about the other 21 commands?

You really are a joke.

 

[hadit]

Thats ridiculous. Reality would be reality even if I never was born to tell you what you should already know about reality. That certain things are constant like gravity, death, biological truths and the fact that if scripture is true then God is not human. He never diddled a virgin to father himself without a human father. All of Jesus' so called "miracles' we're just signs that Jesus was the expected messiah all of which have nothing to do with anything supernatural and were just as miraculous as if you suddenly stopped being an asshole, repented for your obstinate stupidity, and rose from the death and the comfort of your mystery religion grave.

Its as simple as that.

You deny that the creator has control over the creation. Fascinating.

 

[hobelim]

In a passage with 22 commands of sex no no's.

Sex no no's? Thats what your trinity is concerned with? No wonder you're suck a dick.

the command to not have sex with a man like one does with a woman, isn't about sex

Right, just like there are even more commands about clean and unclean creatures, land animals, fish, birds, insects, etc., listed in the Law that have absolutely nothing to do with animals, their flesh, or any kind of food, just like the command to not murder has nothing to do with homicide.

Any other questions?

 

[hobelim]

You deny that the creator has control over the creation. Fascinating.

You deny the unchanging reality established by the creator who has control over creation?

Very interesting. But stupid.

Listen, Jesus said that "believers" would do what he was doing, raising the dead, giving sight to the blind, etc., and even greater things still. True? Then, if you are a "believer", when in your entire life have you or any Christian literally raised the dead, gave sight to the blind etc?

Never? Hello?

I'd say that is ample evidence that either you are not a believer or what you believe is wrong.

Is that too hard for a believer to believe?

Pft

 

[hadit]

You deny the unchanging reality established by the creator who has control over creation?

Very interesting. But stupid.

Listen, Jesus said that "believers" would do what he was doing, raising the dead, giving sight to the blind, etc., and even greater things. True? Then, if you are a "believer", when in your entire life have you or any Christian literally raised the dead, gave sight to the blind, etc.?

Never? Hello?

I'd say that is ample evidence that either you are not a believer or what you believe is wrong.

Is that too hard for a believer to believe?

Pft

It's happening where believers exercise their faith. You would instantly dismiss anyone who has done it, of course, claiming it was "impossible" for the creator to control the creation.

 

[hobelim]

It's happening where believers exercise their faith. You would instantly dismiss anyone who has done it, of course,

Well then just go on and have a nice time prancing through fantasy land, even though raising the dead and "giving sight to the blind" have obvious metaphorical implications. Teachers give sight to the blind every day all over the world. If you can't see that then you are blind.

claiming it was "impossible" for the creator to control the creation.

Stop being such a worm. This is not Kosher!

I never said it was "impossible" for the Creator to control the creation. I said the miracles of Jesus are "impossible" to be literally true because I accept the creation that the Creator in his inscrutable wisdom established from the beginning for all the inhabitants of the earth.

 

[hadit]

Well then just go on and have a nice time prancing through fantasy land.


Stop being such a worm. This is not Kosher!

I never said it was "impossible" for the creator to control the creation. I said the miracles are impossible to be literally true because I accept the creation that the creator in his inscrutable wisdom established from the beginning for all the inhabitants of the earth.

Like I said, you can't fathom a reality where the creator can control the creation, where the creator of the physical laws is greater than those laws, where God is superior to the universe.

You have limited the God you claim to serve to the status of created being, not the all-powerful creator.

 

[hobelim]

Like I said, you can't fathom a reality where the creator can control the creation, where the creator of the physical laws is greater than those laws, where God is superior to the universe.

Well for once, you are right. I am not given to fantasy. However I can see what damage such unrestrained imaginings can do to a persons mind. And it is terrifying and deeply disturbing. You should thank my God for his mercy in making you blissfully UNAWARE of your demise.

You have limited the God you claim to serve to the status of created being, not the all-powerful creator.

Ahem.

Isn't that exactly what you have done by "believing" that a trinity became human, a creation?

WTF!

You should find another hobby. You suck at acting.

 

[hadit]

Well for once, you are right. I am not given to fantasy. However I can see what damage such unrestrained imaginings can do to a persons mind. And it is terrifying and deeply disturbing. You should thank my God for his mercy in making you blissfully UNAWARE of your demise.


Ahem.

Isn't that exactly what you have done by "believing" that a trinity became human, a creation?

WTF!

You should find another hobby. You suck at acting.

Good, you are making progress. The Word DOES tell us that Jesus lowered Himself and became one of us. Perhaps you have had to reinvent words to get around that?

 

[hobelim]

The Word DOES tell us that Jesus lowered Himself and became one of us. Perhaps you have had to reinvent words to get around that?

As the Son of God, Jesus preexisted his human life. Still that does not make him God. There was the entire host of heaven in the realm of God even before life existed on earth.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father; My God and your God." John 20:17.

By saying that his God is their God Jesus eliminated any possibility that he thought of himself as or claimed to be God whatever Paul wrote in ignorance of or hatred for Jesus.

 

[hadit]

As the Son of God, Jesus preexisted his human life. Still that does not make him God. There was the entire host of heaven in the realm of God even before life existed on earth.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father; My God and your God." John 20:17.

By saying that his God is their God Jesus eliminated any possibility that he thought of himself as or claimed to be God whatever Paul wrote in ignorance of or hatred for Jesus.

And you are again ignoring Scripture that tells us explicitly that Jesus lowered Himself to be one of us. It stands to reason that He functioned as a man, and was restored to His standing when He ascended to the Father. Daniel saw that.