Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

And you are again ignoring Scripture that tells us explicitly that Jesus lowered Himself to be one of us.

And Paul also wrote exhorting Christians to submit to Rome when Nero was caesar, he said that Jesus made the Law obsolete and claimed to be God which would make him insane.

So theres that.

It stands to reason that He functioned as a man, and was restored to His standing when He ascended to the Father.

If Jesus functioned as a man then he was constricted by the reality in which all humans lurk and all humans are subject to. It stands to reason then that all of the so called "miracles" of Jesus were not supernatural demonstrations of power over reality. But there were about something.

Anyway, if you are a believer, when are you going to get around to raising yourself from the dead?

 

[hobelim]

So, no concern about the billions who lived in ignorance for thousands of years because God hid the entire Law and Gospel in code,

Thats one of the things that Jesus meant by saying, "There is more that I could tell you but the burden would be too great for you now, but..."

only to be revealed to you alone thousands of years after the fact?

Well yes. Its as simple as that.

Just like the WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the Law was restored by Jesus after 1000 years of people believing and doing what was wrong in Gods eyes, taking the Law literally according to the instructions in the Talmud, what Jesus called "the traditions of men."

Do you think that the Creator is incapable of communicating with a creation of his choosing?

You seem to have forgotten that the story of Jesus was, from the beginning, a story only half told to be completed in what was once a distant future.

 

[hadit]

And Paul also wrote exhorting Christians to submit to Rome when Nero was caesar, he said that Jesus made the Law obsolete and claimed to be God which would make him insane.

He wrote the Law in the first place, so yeah, He could declare it fulfilled.

So theres that.

Oh, I'm very aware that you are determined to ignore anything Paul said because you can't spin it.

If Jesus functioned as a man then he was constricted by the reality in which all humans lurk and all humans are subject to. It stands to reason then that all of the so called "miracles" of Jesus were not supernatural demonstrations of power over reality. But there were about something.

Anyway, if you are a believer, when are you going to get around to raising yourself from the dead?

Don't have to because he was God and man at the same time. He lowered His standing in obedience to the Father.

 

[hobelim]

He wrote the Law in the first place, so yeah, He could declare it fulfilled.

Thats just dumb. To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands.

 

[hobelim]

Oh, I'm very aware that you are determined to ignore anything Paul said because you can't spin it.

I don't have to spin it. His contempt for Jesus was written down. Obvious.

 

[hobelim]

Don't have to because he was God and man at the same time. He lowered His standing in obedience to the Father.

Alrighty then. I am very happy for you if that incoherent tripe can pass for logic in your mind.

And some "believers" don't "believe" in "the death", a curse, consequent to defying Divine Law or that the Laws of my God are still in effect and in full force, as you have shown, and will remain so for as long as Heaven and earth endure as Jesus said and Paul contradicted.

Imagine that!

 

[hadit]

Thats just dumb. To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands.

When you are a child in school, the principal and the teachers have a lot of control over your life. They can tell you where you have to be at any given time during the day. They can tell you what you must and must not wear. They can tell you when you can plan and when you cannot play. They can even tell you when you can eat and when you cannot. This teaches you things about society. You learn that you are expected to take your turn. You learn to respect authority. You learn when it is appropriate to do certain things and when it is not. You learn to share.

When you graduate from school, the principal's and teachers' rules no longer apply to you. They can no longer require you to do certain things at certain times and forbid you from doing them. They have been fulfilled. They're still in effect, just not for you. You are, however, expected to continue doing what you have learned about functioning in society.

So it is with the Law. It was given to reveal God's character and man's sin, as man could not obey it perfectly, thus requiring blood for forgiveness. Jesus wrote a new covenant, spilling His own perfect blood for all sin and wiping away the need for further sacrifices. The Law was fulfilled. Not destroyed, fulfilled. It still stands to condemn those who refuse to enter into the new covenant with Jesus, who refuse His Lordship and His forgiveness. As with school, you are expected to behave the way you were taught from the Law, and Jesus raised the bar on what constitutes sin. It's no longer just your actions but your attitudes and thoughts that are sinful. I know that you know all this but choose to ignore it.

 

[hadit]

I don't have to spin it. His contempt for Jesus was written down. Obvious.

Right, he had contempt for the one he worshipped. Is that how you approach God?

 

[hobelim]

So it is with the Law. It was given to reveal God's character and man's sin, as man could not obey it perfectly, thus requiring blood for forgiveness.

If one takes the Law literally it reveals the character of God comparable to that of a cruel and capricious puerile petty tyrant with the carnal obsessions of a lecherous old fart. When Jesus said, unless you eat my flesh, accept my teaching, and drink my blood, do it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you. Life is in the blood, in the doing.

Without blood there is no forgiveness.

If one takes the time and trouble required to put pants on in the morning and applies that energy to discerning the deeper implications of the Law they will find the image and likeness of God comparable to that of a dedicated, loving, and benevolent Father. This is my God.

"He who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself."

Jesus wrote a new covenant, spilling His own perfect blood for all sin and wiping away the need for further sacrifices. The Law was fulfilled. Not destroyed, fulfilled.

The new covenant was the same as the old that was lost to time after the death of Moses who said, "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt and turn aside from the way I taught you to follow and In days to come, disaster will befall you because you will do what is evil in the sight of the LORD provoking him to anger with the work of your hands.”

The sanctuary of God can't be made by human hands anymore than Divine providence can.

Again to fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Jesus taught and demonstrated the only right way to understand the figurative words and hidden subjects of the Law and do it, that fulfills the promise of abundant blessing and eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth.

Unless you eat his flesh, accept his teaching, and do it, you cannot have life in you.

Life is in the blood, in the doing, so just do it and you will rise from death to life. Its easy.

 

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Sex no no's? Thats what your trinity is concerned with? No wonder you're suck a dick.


Right, just like there are even more commands about clean and unclean creatures, land animals, fish, birds, insects, etc., listed in the Law that have absolutely nothing to do with animals, their flesh, or any kind of food, just like the command to not murder has nothing to do with homicide.

Any other questions?

You mean besides why you can't accept that Leviticus 18:22 is a command for men to not butt **** other men like Leviticus 18:7 is a command to not have intercourse with one's mother? Because those are questions I'd like you answer.

 

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Sex no no's?

Yes. Sex no no's that you reject.

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

 

[hobelim]

You mean besides why you can't accept that Leviticus 18:22 is a command for men to not butt **** other men like Leviticus 18:7 is a command to not have intercourse with one's mother.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I don't understand what is so hard for you to understand that if you followed the one command of Jesus to love one another, you would not be obsessed with condemning gays.

And anyone who obeyed this command would not rape children, have sex with their mothers, rip off their neighbors, lie to get elected like trump, or teach others that spiritual life can be made by human hands and then handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food.

 

[ding]

I don't understand what is so hard for you to understand that if you followed the one command of Jesus to love one another, you would not be obsessed with condemning homosexuality.

And anyone who obeyed this command would not rape children, have sex with their mothers, rip off their neighbors, lie to get elected like trump, or teach others that spiritual life can be made by human hands and then handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food.

What does these commands mean?

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

 

[hadit]

If one takes the Law literally it reveals the character of God comparable to that of a cruel and capricious puerile petty tyrant with the carnal obsessions of a lecherous old fart. When Jesus said, unless you eat my flesh, accept my teaching, and drink my blood, do it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you. Life is in the blood, in the doing.

Without blood there is no forgiveness.

If one takes the time and trouble required to put pants on in the morning and applies that energy to discerning the deeper implications of the Law they will find the image and likeness of God comparable to that of a dedicated, loving, and benevolent Father. This is my God.

"He who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself."

You claim to revere Jesus yet ignore what he said were the two most important commandments of all, in which are wrapped up the Law and the Prophets. Do you even know what they are, or have you perverted their meaning as well?

The new covenant was the same as the old that was lost to time after the death of Moses who said, "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt and turn aside from the way I taught you to follow and In days to come, disaster will befall you because you will do what is evil in the sight of the LORD provoking him to anger with the work of your hands.”

That is the nation of Israel disobeying God, not God's Law being lost to time, only for you to discover it under the code God carefully placed it under so only you could find it after millennia of nobody knowing anything about God. Sorry, that didn't happen.

The sanctuary of God can't be made by human hands anymore than Divine providence can.

Again to fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Jesus taught and demonstrated the only right way to understand the figurative words and hidden subjects of the Law and do it, that fulfills the promise of abundant blessing and eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth.

Unless you eat his flesh, accept his teaching, and do it, you cannot have life in you.

Life is in the blood, in the doing, so just do it and you will rise from death to life. Its easy.

I already have risen from death to life. I have been born again, as Jesus commanded.

 

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I will tell you as after you tell me what this command means,

You shall not eat the flesh of swine that do not ruminate.

Is it about food or something else?

What do these commands mean?

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

 

[hadit]

What do these commands mean?

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

Be ready to get a blast of complete and utter nonsense.

 

[ding]

Be ready to get a blast of complete and utter nonsense.

Yep. I've painter her into a corner.

 

[hobelim]

I already have risen from death to life. I have been born again, as Jesus commanded.

Then how is it that you have allowed Satan to enter your mind to perpetuate lies? If you were born again, lol, you would rather be crucified upside down than openly worship the Antichrist whose indelible signature is like a giant black thumbprint on the middle of your forehead.

 

[hobelim]

What does these commands mean?

I will tell you as after you tell me what this command means,

You shall not eat the flesh of swine because they have split hooves and do not ruminate.

Is it about food or something else?

And try to remember that almighty God, my God, the supreme intelligence, is not human.

 

[hobelim]

Be ready to get a blast of complete and utter nonsense.

lol...Brace yourself!