Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[Hafar1014]

Hafar1014 likes to make that argument a lot. Of course every time I ask him if Hitler will get the same fate as he will, he has nothing to say. Weird, huh?

Fate is in life the afterlife is different but I woulds assume that pensility continues into the after life much like it was here. Or there is healing effect. We just dont know. But I dont need Jesus to get me there. If heaven is based on a threat then how do you expect to get there

 

[Harry Dresden]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

elmer he would have a problem with your new party too...

 

[The Duke]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

Maybe, maybe not, he would put your dumb ass to death though, probably.
Probably Jesus would tie a millstone around your neck and throw you over the side of a fishing boat.
Jesus was never all lovey dovey, no.

 

[buttercup]

The Lord hates six things;
in fact, seven are detestable to Him:

arrogant eyes, a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,

a heart that plots wicked schemes,
feet eager to run to evil,

a lying witness who gives false testimony,
and one who stirs up trouble among brothers.

Proverbs 6:16-19


hmmm... the answer seems pretty clear to me. lol

(That said, it's not limited to Trump. Jesus also wouldn't support Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, and as Harley said, most politicians. Keep in mind who the temporary "god of this world" is.)

 

[The Duke]

The Lord hates six things;
in fact, seven are detestable to Him:

arrogant eyes, a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,

a heart that plots wicked schemes,
feet eager to run to evil,

a lying witness who gives false testimony,
and one who stirs up trouble among brothers.

Proverbs 6:16-19


hmmm... the answer seems pretty clear to me. lol

(That said, it's not limited to Trump. Jesus also wouldn't support Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, and as Harley said, most politicians. Keep in mind who the temporary "god of this world" is.)

Democrats are constantly plotting wicked schemes.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Maybe, maybe not, he would put your dumb ass to death though, probably.
Probably Jesus would tie a millstone around your neck and throw you over the side of a fishing boat.
Jesus was never all lovey dovey, no.

We do not worship the same God. We do not have the same morals, if you have any morals.

 

[ElmerMudd]

elmer he would have a problem with your new party too...

What is "my" party? I don't think God would belong to any political party. Nor do I.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The Lord hates six things;
in fact, seven are detestable to Him:

arrogant eyes, a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,

a heart that plots wicked schemes,
feet eager to run to evil,

a lying witness who gives false testimony,
and one who stirs up trouble among brothers.

Proverbs 6:16-19


hmmm... the answer seems pretty clear to me. lol

(That said, it's not limited to Trump. Jesus also wouldn't support Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, and as Harley said, most politicians. Keep in mind who the temporary "god of this world" is.)

seemed he doesnt care for hypocrites either....

 

[ElmerMudd]

Several things:

1. Jesus said nothing about the Roman leaders, either in support or against, therefore there is no reason to think He would express an opinion about TRUMP!. Irrelevant question.
2. You would be on the front lines screaming about a theocracy should all the Christians in the US band together and publicly vow to only vote for the Godliest of candidates, becoming the biggest voting block and forcing only Christians into national leadership.

Why is it that those demanding that a political group follow Jesus wouldn't want them to do it?

I believe in the seperation of church and state. No theocracy.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What is "my" party? I don't think God would belong to any political party. Nor do I.

sure about that elmer?....when was the last time you did a thread bad mouthing the democrats?....

 

[ElmerMudd]

Several things:

1. Jesus said nothing about the Roman leaders, either in support or against, therefore there is no reason to think He would express an opinion about TRUMP!. Irrelevant question.
2. You would be on the front lines screaming about a theocracy should all the Christians in the US band together and publicly vow to only vote for the Godliest of candidates, becoming the biggest voting block and forcing only Christians into national leadership.

Why is it that those demanding that a political group follow Jesus wouldn't want them to do it?

What would God's stance be on immigration and our borders?

 

[ElmerMudd]

sure about that elmer?....when was the last time you did a thread bad mouthing the democrats?....

When have I said anything good about the democrats. You don't see me standing up for democrats and what they do.

 

[Harry Dresden]

When have I said anything good about the democrats. You don't see me standing up for democrats and what they do.

and i dont see you saying anything when one of theirs says something stupid either.....

 

[ding]

Fate is in life the afterlife is different but I woulds assume that pensility continues into the after life much like it was here. Or there is healing effect. We just dont know. But I dont need Jesus to get me there. If heaven is based on a threat then how do you expect to get there

Then maybe stop misstating the Christian view. All of us don't believe in what you are claiming. I was never taught that God condemns anyone; rather, people freely choose to reject God's love and forgiveness and willfully turn away from God of their own volition. It's not an active punishment inflicted by God.

 

[MarathonMike]

He would definitely condemn trump. He would condemn Americas past and current politicians. Probably 98% of them.

Jesus was a real nice guy, not sure he would have been a good President.

 

[ElmerMudd]

and i dont see you saying anything when one of theirs says something stupid either.....

Democrats say stupid things but not nearly as stupid and consequential as Trump. I put the focus on the worst of the worst. And I have crticized Biden many times on the site. We would not have Trump without Biden and an inept democrat party.

 

[Hafar1014]

Then maybe stop misstating the Christian view. All of us don't believe in what you are claiming. I was never taught that God condemns anyone; rather, people freely choose to reject God's love and forgiveness and willfully turn away from God of their own volition. It's not an active punishment inflicted by God.

If you believe Jesus is the only path to heaven then that supports my point. Get real Christianity teaches Jesus is the only way to heavan

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus says worship me or burn in hell. Sure thats a god of compassion

Same God, different Testaments.

Samson Kills 1,000 Philistines​

the Philistines came shouting to meet him. Then the Spirit of the Lord rushed upon him, so that the ropes that bound him were like flax that’s been burned by fire, and his bonds dissolved. He happened upon a jawbone from a putrefying donkey, reached out to grab it, and killed 1,000 men with it.​

Christ was about beaten to death, and then nailed to wood, just to give you His perfect record to stay out of Hell. Jewish sacrifices covered sin temporarily. Christ's blood is permanent. Because He loves you. And when He returns, it will be to you. First to the Jew...
It's the same Satan that Moses told us about that condemns us to Hell. It's Christ that saves us from it...

 

[Hafar1014]

Same God, different Testaments.

Samson Kills 1,000 Philistines​

the Philistines came shouting to meet him. Then the Spirit of the Lord rushed upon him, so that the ropes that bound him were like flax that’s been burned by fire, and his bonds dissolved. He happened upon a jawbone from a putrefying donkey, reached out to grab it, and killed 1,000 men with it.​

Christ was about beaten to death, and then nailed to wood, just to give you His perfect record to stay out of Hell. Jewish sacrifices covered sin temporarily. Christ's blood is permanent. Because He loves you. And when He returns, it will be to you. First to the Jew...
It's the same Satan that Moses told us about that condemns us to Hell. It's Christ that saves us from it...

Its an allegory

 

[ding]

If you believe Jesus is the only path to heaven then that supports my point. Get real Christianity teaches Jesus is the only way to heavan

It seems that you worry more about heaven and hell than I do. I focus on my journey.