Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hadit]

Yes, but Jesus wasn’t born in America. He was never an American citizen. Additionally, he wasn’t a huge fan of obeying the government and doing what he was told by his elders and betters. He promoted a very woke and progressive social and economic message as well.

I have to correct you on that. Jesus said to give Caesar what belongs to him (today that means pay your taxes) and if a soldier commands you to carry his stuff for a mile, carry it for two (that means obey the law). The point is, He wasn't political and no one should try to claim Him to support a political agenda.

 

[Meriweather]

I dont need to be saved I dont want to follow him and there is no hell. If you dont see him as savior hes the punisher. You contradict yourself. Hell was created as a threat to force obedience. It has no other purpose

How many times in your life have you heard homilies about hell? In my entire life, I've heard three. Specifically, who has been threatening you with hell, and when? Catholicism/Christianity is about Kingdom living here in this life, following the Way of love of God and neighbor throughout life on earth.

Why your morbid interest in hell when the joy Kingdom living is within the reach of all?

 

[Meriweather]

According to you and Him Im going to hell as non a believer.

How do you know this? The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that we don't know who--if anyone--is in hell. Where did Jesus say you were going to hell? Again, Catholic teaching is God sends no one to hell (away from Him). People choose to spend eternity apart from God. What is your choice?

 

[ding]

The fact that you openly and brazenly practice idolatry is self evident, not only by what you say but by what you do.

And the fact that you have your reward already, death, a curse

I love the fact that you hardly ever miss an opportunity to voice your displeasure over Christianity. It's pathological.

 

[Hafar1014]

How do you know this? The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that we don't know who--if anyone--is in hell. Where did Jesus say you were going to hell? Again, Catholic teaching is God sends no one to hell (away from Him). People choose to spend eternity apart from God. What is your choice?

Judaism so Im going to hell in your belief. Ill be in good company with all those child molesting priests and nun who had children secretly adopted

 

[ding]

If you think that saying hallelujah thank you Jesus praise God ooh ooh ahh ahh is evidence of a person’s faith, then I guess you never read the Bible where Jesus himself said, the guy you love so much you threw under the bus. that only hypocrites need to say shit like that out loud to impress other people

But guess what? I’m not impressed.

I think the fact that you CAN'T praise God EVER, reveals a lot about your pathological behaviors towards Christianity and Christians.

Praising God for all things is evidence of a person's faith, just as NOT praising God EVER and attacking the faith of others is evidence of no faith.

What you are intending for evil, God is using for good.

 

[ding]

Now that is just too funny! You might not realize this I really don’t need to appeal to any authority.

There is no greater authority than God. And yes, I do realize you have no need to appeal to God.

 

[Hafar1014]

How many times in your life have you heard homilies about hell? In my entire life, I've heard three. Specifically, who has been threatening you with hell, and when? Catholicism/Christianity is about Kingdom living here in this life, following the Way of love of God and neighbor throughout life on earth.

Why your morbid interest in hell when the joy Kingdom living is within the reach of all?

All of us doesn't want to be Christian. Its punitive and primitive.

 

[Meriweather]

Judaism so Im going to hell in your belief.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church disagrees. It states God keeps His covenants, and Jews have a Covenant with God. Where did you come up with the idea that I believe you are going to hell? Please be specific.

 

[Meriweather]

All of us doesn't want to be Christian. Its punitive and primitive.

If you don't want to be Christian, don't be Christian. Just be honestly aware that what you don't want to be is your own imagining of Christianity--and that version of Christianity exists only in your own mind.

 

[ding]

Hell was created as a threat to force obedience. It has no other purpose

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

 

[Hafar1014]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Then explain what the purpose of hell is

 

[ding]

All of us doesn't want to be Christian. Its punitive and primitive.

It isn't. It's your perception of Christianity that is punitive and punishing.

 

[ding]

Then explain what the purpose of hell is

Hell is being eternally separated from God. If you harden your heart - as you seem to be doing because of hate - then you won't be able to accept God's love. You literally won't be able to tolerate it and you will ask God to remove it. It won't be God's choice, it will be your choice.

There is no purpose for hell. There is only reality.

 

[ding]

Then explain what the purpose of hell is

Judaism teaches that people can harden their hearts through repeated defiance, leading to a state where they become unresponsive to God's call, a concept vividly illustrated by Pharaoh and the Israelites in the desert, where persistent refusal can result in a spiritual inability to accept divine love or guidance, though the possibility of repentance always remains a core theme. This process involves a choice to resist God, but eventually God may "confirm" them in that state, making true return harder, though not necessarily impossible.
Key Concepts

• Free Will & Choice: Humans have the choice to open or close their hearts to God.
• Progressive Hardening: Hardening isn't usually immediate; it's a gradual process of repeated refusal, like Pharaoh hardening his own heart before God reinforced it.
• Divine Response: God responds to persistent human defiance by allowing them to remain in their hardened state, as a form of consequence or punishment, to demonstrate His power and the seriousness of their choice.
• Scriptural Examples:
  • Pharaoh: Repeatedly refused to let the Israelites go, leading to God hardening his heart so He could display more miracles.
  • Israelites: Were warned not to harden their hearts as their ancestors did in the wilderness, a warning echoed in the New Testament (Hebrews 3).
• The "Point of No Return": While Judaism emphasizes repentance, the narrative suggests a point where the spiritual pathway becomes very difficult due to ingrained rebellion, but the ultimate goal remains a return to God.

In essence, Judaism teaches that while God desires everyone to return, continuous rejection of His love and guidance can create a deep-seated spiritual deafness, making it incredibly difficult to hear or accept that love, though the door to repentance is never fully sealed until the very end.

 

[TNHarley]

LOL "its your choice if you go to hell"
Why would a supreme being create something he knew he would have to send to hell? What kind of psychotic crap is that?

 

[ding]

LOL "its your choice if you go to hell"
Why would a supreme being create something he knew he would have to send to hell? What kind of psychotic crap is that?

Reading is not your strong suit. When you pass from the material world you may very well want to accept God's love but if you cannot tolerate it then you will ask him to remove it. At that point it has nothing to do with want and everything to do with what you can tolerate. Keep hardening your heart and find out.

 

[TNHarley]

Reading is not your strong suit. When you pass from the material world you may very well want to accept God's love but if you cannot tolerate it then you will ask him to remove it. At that point it has nothing to do with want and everything to do with what you can tolerate. Keep hardening your heart and find out.

Lil' dingy googled and found a new word, now he is going to use it in the next 764 posts like he always does
Also, my point completely escaped you. Not surprising. You have a serious comprehension problem.

 

[ding]

Lil' dingy googled and found a new word, now he is going to use it in the next 764 posts like he always does
Also, my point completely escaped you. Not surprising. You have a serious comprehension problem.

I did address your point. God doesn't separate himself from us. We separate ourselves from God. Keep hardening your heart and find out.

 

[TNHarley]

I did address your point. God doesn't separate himself from us. We separate ourselves from God. Keep hardening your heart and find out.

AGAIN, with your comprehension issues, you completely skip my point.
Why would a supreme being create something he knows he will have to punish for eternity? Thats psychotic crap.
If god was a human, he would be locked in the mental ward of a maximum security facility.