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[DennisPTate]

And Yeshua was thoroughly Jewish. You really don't know much about this, do you?

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
[Matthew 5]

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The BeatitudesAnd seeing the multitudes, #Matt. 14:23; 15:29; 17:1; Mark 3:13; Luke 6:17; 9:28; John 6:3, 15He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. Then He opened H

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[hobelim]

And Yeshua was thoroughly Jewish.

lol. Right. 100% human. Not a mangod. You are caught in a trap of your own design. Enjoy!

You really don't know much about this, do you?

I know enough to pity you.

 

[DennisPTate]

1. That's not my call, that's His and you will answer to Him, not me. I don't care what you say about me, it's totally irrelevant.
2. Let's look at the actual Scripture you're talking about, since you won't quote it directly.

17 "And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good.
18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

That's absolutely speaking of Yeshua. Remember that He only said what the Father told Him to say and only did what the Father told Him to do. You're not very good at this, are you?

Very true. Even after being raised from the dead Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was teaching that every word in the Law and in the Prophets would come to pass.

Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
[Luke 24:25]

If the horrible and scary predictions of Isaiah chapter fifty three all came to pass then how much more so the extremely positive predictions of Ezekiel chapter thirty six, thirty seven and Ezekiel chapter forty seven?

53 Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the Zero’a Hashem [Yeshayah 52:10] revealed?

2;For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a Shoresh (Root, Shoresh Yishai, Moshiach, Yeshayah 11:10, Sanhedrin93b) out of a dry ground; he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire [Chaggai 2:7] him.

3;He is despised and chadal ishim (rejected by men); a man of sorrows, and acquainted with suffering; and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4;Surely he hath borne our sufferings, and nasah (carried [Vayikra 16:22; Yeshayah 53:12)] our sorrows; yet we did esteem him stricken, [i.e., like a leper is stricken] smitten of G-d, and afflicted [see verse 8 below].

5;But he was pierced [Yeshayah 51:9; Zecharyah 12:10 Sukkah 52a, Tehillim 22:17 Targum Hashivim] for our transgressions, he was bruised mei’avonoteinu (for our iniquities); the musar (chastisement) (that brought us shalom [Yeshayah 54:10] was upon him [Moshiach]; and at the cost of his (Moshiach’s) chaburah (stripes, lacerations) we are healed.

6;All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own derech (way; see Prov 16:25); and Hashem hath laid on him [Moshiach] the avon (iniquity, the guilt that separates from G-d) of us all.

7;He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; he is brought as a seh (lamb; see Shemot 12:3) to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8;He was taken from prison and from judgment; and who of his generation declared? For he was cut off [Daniel 9:26; Vayikra 17:10] out of Eretz Chayyim [this refers to the mot of Moshiach Ben Dovid, see v.12] mipesha ami (for the transgression of my people [Yisroel]) nega (plague cf Ps 91:10) lamo ([fell] on him [i.e., Moshiach; in light of Ps 11:7 and Job 22:2 we are warranted in saying the suffix is a singular, "him," not "them". Cf Gen 9:26-27; Deut 33:2; Isa 44:15; also compare Divrey Hayamim Alef 21:17]).

9;And he made his kever (grave) with the resha’im, and with the oisher (rich man; see Mt 27:57-60) bemotayv (in his deaths, intensive plural should be translated singular, death); because he had done no chamas (violence), neither was any mirmah (deceit) in his mouth. T.N. We stray as sheep; we return in Moshiach as children (zera); the Techiyas HaMoshiach (Resurrection of Moshiach) predicted in v. 10 [Dead Sea Scrolls Isaiah Scroll says Moshiach "will see the light [of life];" see also the Targum HaShivim]

10;Yet it pleased Hashem to bruise him; He hath put him to suffering; when Thou shalt make his nefesh an asham offering for sin, he (Moshiach) shall see zera [see Psalm 16 and Yn 1:12 OJBC], He shall prolong his yamim (days) and the chefetz Hashem (pleasure, will of Hashem) shall prosper in his [Moshiach’s] hand.

11;He [Hashem] shall see of the travail of his [Moshiach’s] nefesh, and shall be satisfied; by knowledge of him [Moshiach] shall Tzadik Avdi ["My Righteous Servant," Moshiach, Zecharyah 3:8, Yirmeyah 23:5; Zecharyah 6:11-12, Ezra 3:8 Yehoshua, Yeshua shmo] justify many (Ro 5:1); for he [Moshiach] shall bear their avon (iniquities).

12;Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his nefesh unto mavet (death); and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he nasah (Lv 16:22, carried) (like the Yom Kippur scapegoat) the sin of many, and made intercession [did the work of a mafgi’a, intercessor] for the transgressors [see Lk 23:34 OJBC].

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Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the Zero’a Hashem [Yeshayah 52:10] revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a Shoresh (Root, Shoresh Yishai, Moshiach, Yeshayah 11:10, Sanhedrin93b) out of a dry ground; he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see...

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[hobelim]

Very true. Even after being raised from the dead Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was teaching that every word in the Law and in the Prophets would come to pass.

There are two deaths and there are two resurrections. The first is a resurrection from "the death" a curse for defying the law. The second resurrection is from death of the mortal body.

Those who partake in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death. Rev 20:6

God said, I will "raise up" a Prophet like you." he is saying that man would be "raised" from the dead. Jesus compared pharisaic beliefs and practices to a whitewashed tomb. To this day, in all of Judaism, Jesus is nowhere to be found, and "the generation of error" that Jesus said would live to see everything he predicted come true, including his return, still persists.

 

[DennisPTate]

There are two deaths and there are two resurrections. The first is a resurrection from "the death" a curse for defying the law. The second resurrection is from death of the mortal body.

Those who partake in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death. Rev 20:6

God said, I will "raise up" a Prophet like you." he is saying that man would be "raised" from the dead. Jesus compared pharisaic beliefs and practices to a whitewashed tomb. To this day, in all of Judaism, Jesus is nowhere to be found, and "the generation of error" that Jesus said would live to see everything he predicted come true, including his return still persists.

Or, could it be that so many Jewish scholars and Rabbi's are secretly studying about Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus that the little nation of Israel is about to have a massive shift away from the direction that Rabbi Akiva turned his Rabbinic Jewish, disciples to at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt?

There is a reported, growing interest in Yeshua (Jesus) among Israelis, particularly following the events of October 7, 2023, with increased engagement with digital content and, for some, a shift toward Messianic belief. While still a small minority (less than 2% of the Jewish population), ministry leaders note a significant increase in inquiries about Jesus and Bible study.

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Key Trends and Observations:

• Growing Interest: There is a notable uptick in interest, with some reports citing 30% more people seeking to go deeper spiritually and a 10% increase in Bible study inquiries.
• Increased Spiritual Openness: A November 2025 poll found 27% of Jewish Israelis increased their religious observance due to the war, with roughly one-third praying more and some exploring Christianity

• Post-Oct 7th Shifts: The war has caused a "painful awakening," leading many Israelis to turn to God for comfort, with some exploring Yeshua.
• Digital Outreach: Ministries in Israel report a sharp increase in interest through Hebrew-language channels, with more Israelis exploring the New Testament online.
• Shift in Perspective: While historically taboo, studies have shown a rise in younger generations (Millennials) holding more open views on Jesus as a historical and spiritual figure, say jewsforjesus.org.
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Despite this reported increase, and a doubling of the wider Christian population since the 1970s, many of those following Jesus are often referred to as Messianic Jews, a community that remains a relatively small part of the overall Israeli population

 

[hobelim]

Or, could it be that so many Jewish scholars and Rabbi's are secretly studying about Rabbi Yeshua -

I once saw an ultra ultra orthodox Jewish man secretly reading the NT on the subway as if he was looking at hardcore porn. I told some people what I saw and they said "Impossible!" and then tried to convince me that I didn't see what I saw with my own eyes. The nerve! lol.

Jesus that the little nation of Israel is about to have a massive shift away from the direction that Rabbi Akiva turned his Rabbinic Jewish, disciples to at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt?

Its been a long time coming.... but, watch out!

"For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more easily will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree." Romans 11:24

 

[DennisPTate]

I once saw an ultra ultra orthodox Jewish man secretly reading the NT on the subway as if he was looking at hardcore porn. I told some people what I saw and they said "Impossible!" and then tried to convince me that I didn't see what I saw with my own eyes. The nerve! lol.


Its been a long time coming.... but, watch out!

"For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more easily will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree." Romans 11:24

Yes, it has been a long time coming but it is here, and the raising up of a modern "Cyrus" will apparently play a critical part in the whole Puzzle that former Atheist and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava terms a "Genius Master Plan.'

Now Rabbi Alon Anava DID NOT meet Moshiach ben David, Messiah the Passover Lamb face to face yet, but other Jewish near death experiencers have indeed met Messiah Yeshua - Jesus face to face. Something astonishing though is how many Muslims have met The Prophet Isa during a brush with death and afterwards their courage to give their lives for what they have been shown is shocking everybody who hears about the shift in their thinking that they make.

Yes, some Muslims have reported encountering Jesus (Isa) during near-death experiences (NDEs) or intense, life-altering dreams, often describing him as a figure of light. While surprising to some, this occurs because Jesus is revered as a major prophet in Islam, and such experiences are often interpreted within the dreamer's cultural and spiritual context.
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• Commonality in Middle East: Reports of Muslims seeing a "man in white" or specifically Jesus during NDEs or vivid dreams are noted as relatively common in parts of the Middle East.
• Cultural/Spiritual Context: Researchers suggest NDEs often reflect the subconscious mind, cultural background, or personal expectations. Because Jesus is a revered figure in Islam, he may appear in such experiences.
• Frequency in Reports: Some studies suggest that while 18-20% of NDEs report seeing Jesus generally, this figure can be significant among Muslims, with some reports noting converts to Christianity frequently cite such dreams.
• Alternative Interpretations: Some Islamic scholars argue that NDEs are not glimpses of the afterlife but rather brain-related hallucinations, or possibly "tricks" (Shaitan) aimed at distorting beliefs, as noted on this Reddit post.
• Interpretation of the Figure: Those who encounter him often view him as a guide or Prophet, fitting within their existing reverence for him, rather than necessarily adopting a Christian interpretation of his divinity, as mentioned in this Facebook video.
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While some see these visions as validating Christian narratives, others interpret them as profound spiritual moments or personal dreams reflecting the deep reverence Muslims have for Jesus as a divine messenger, as discussed in this YouTube video.

Lee Strobel INVESTIGATES Middle East Phenomenon of Meeting JESUS in DREAMS | Kirk Cameron on TBN​

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Lee Strobel investigates the phenomenon of people in countries like Syria, Cairo and Iraq meeting Jesus in their dreams. He references the examples in the Bible of God using dreams to circumvent worldly barriers and reveals the incredible corroborating evidence behind these incredible events. Don't miss this fascinating interview on Takeaways with Kirk Cameron on TBN!

 

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"Do not suppose that I have come to abolish the Law and the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but fulfill. I tell you this: so long as heaven and earth endure, not a letter, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until all that must happen has happened. If any man therefore sets aside even the least of the Laws demands, and teaches others to do the same, will have THE LOWEST PLACE in the kingdom of Heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

To understand what Jesus meant by saying, "THE LOWEST PLACE", see Genesis 3:14

Open your eyes and see the power of God. See what defying the Law of God has done to ding who is descending lower and lower into hell, abandoned by God to his gibbering folly.

Read his latest posts if you don't believe me. In full view of heaven and earth he turned from being a jackass into a worm that eats dirt and creeps around in the darkness under the earth.

The more obstinate he is the more his torment will increase. There is no bottom to the abyss.

If you want proof of that just ask or make some snide remark and I'll push you over the edge.

Your interpretations are fiction. You don't believe them. You don't believe in God. You're playing a game. No one believes a word you write if they read them at all.

 

[hobelim]

Yes, it has been a long time coming but it is here, and the raising up of a modern "Cyrus" will apparently play a critical part in the whole Puzzle that former Atheist and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava terms a "Genius Master Plan.'

For some mysterious reason I question any "master plan". Thats being said your posts confirm that the resurrected Jesus appears to people in dreams, which changes their lives, exactly like what happened to the disciples where every eyewitness account of seeing Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what they saw and heard in dreams.

Jesus came and spoke with me in a dream as well which changed the course of my life.

And so I doubt God will raise up a modern day Cyrus, it makes more sense that he would raise up a contemptible creature like Jesus who appeared to be out of his mind to the dead.

Like Moses predicted Jesus, a Jewish man who would convey all of Gods commands, Jesus predicted that God would send another, like him, who IS the Spirit of truth, who would lead people into all the truth, John 16:17-15, truth that would've been too much for the disciples to bear then, John 16:12. Can you see how this reveals the way Jesus would come again?

What he meant by saying that he was the first and the last?

 

[hadit]

lol. Right. 100% human. Not a mangod. You are caught in a trap of your own design. Enjoy!

His human side absolutely was Jewish. His divinity was far greater. You should know this.

I know enough to pity you.

But not enough to post Scripture and let it stand on its own merits, and not enough to know the difference between 2,000 and 7 1/2 years.

 

[DennisPTate]

For some mysterious reason I question any "master plan". Thats being said your posts confirm that the resurrected Jesus appears to people in dreams, which changes their lives, exactly like what happened to the disciples where every eyewitness account of seeing Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what they saw and heard in dreams.

Jesus came and spoke with me in a dream as well which changed the course of my life.

And so I doubt God will raise up a modern day Cyrus, it makes more sense that he would raise up a contemptible creature like Jesus who appeared to be out of his mind to the dead.

Like Moses predicted Jesus, a Jewish man who would convey all of Gods commands, Jesus predicted that God would send another, like him, who IS the Spirit of truth, who would lead people into all the truth, John 16:17-15, truth that would've been too much for the disciples to bear then, John 16:12. Can you see how this reveals the way Jesus would come again?

What he meant by saying that he was the first and the last?

I do believe that the Holy Spirit that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus promised to send to us is actually with us every instant of each day of our lives. I believe that the Holy Spirit is instrumental in recording those "Life Reviews" that so many near death experiencers are being shown. I am of the belief that the Life Review fulfills this scripture:

"It is appointed unto man once to die" is a phrase from Hebrews 9:27 (KJV), stating that humans have a limited physical life, dying once, followed by judgment. This verse emphasizes the finality of life and accountability after death. It serves as a contrast to Christ’s single, ultimate sacrifice

The judgment that people receive during a Life Review is extremely important but it is also interesting how many near death experiencers report being sent back into their physical bodies with a message for many others. These messages that near death experiencers are coming back to the rest of us with are changing the way that we view our place in the universe and even multiverse.

Person by person by person the promise is being fulfilled that all of us will know our Creator from the least of us, to the greatest.

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord.’ For they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them,” saith the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
[Jeremiah 31:34]

 

[hobelim]

I do believe that the Holy Spirit that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus promised to send to us is actually with us every instant of each day of our lives.

I see. Consider this. Many people who claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit and start jumping around like monkeys squeaking and gibbering incoherently are full of something but it ain't holy. Jesus said that what he referred to as the Advocate, (the Avenger of blood) the Spirit of truth, would sent by him, Jesus, to reveal all of the truth including doing four specific tasks.

"If I do not go, your Advocate will not come, whereas if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes he will confute the world, and show where wrong and right and judgment lie. He will convict them of wrong, by refusing to believe in me; he will convince them that right is on my side, by showing that I go to the Father when I pass from your sight; and he will convince them of divine judgment, by showing that the prince of this world stands condemned." John 16:7-11


The truth is that what many people think of as "the Holy Spirit" has not done one of these four specific tasks that Jesus said he would be sent to do. Obviously they are mistaken. The Jewish people as nation have not been convinced by any ghost that they were wrong to not believe what Jesus taught or that Jesus was right about anything. Jumping around like a clown squeezing and gibbering incoherent noises is an obvious sign of demonic possession.

The end stages of a disintegrated mind, the death rattle of a soul.

 

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I see. Consider this. Many people who claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit and start jumping around like monkeys squeaking and gibbering incoherently are full of something but it ain't holy. Jesus said that what he referred to as the Advocate, (the Avenger of blood) the Spirit of truth, would sent by him, Jesus, to reveal all of the truth including doing four specific tasks.

"If I do not go, your Advocate will not come, whereas if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes he will confute the world, and show where wrong and right and judgment lie. He will convict them of wrong, by refusing to believe in me; he will convince them that right is on my side, by showing that I go to the Father when I pass from your sight; and he will convince them of divine judgment, by showing that the prince of this world stands condemned." John 16:7-11


The truth is that what many people think of as "the Holy Spirit" has not done one of these four specific tasks that Jesus said he would be sent to do. Obviously they are mistaken. The Jewish people as nation have not been convinced by any ghost that they were wrong to not believe what Jesus taught or that Jesus was right about anything. Jumping around like a clown squeezing and gibbering incoherent noises is an obvious sign of demonic possession.

The end stages of a disintegrated mind, the death rattle of a soul.

by refusing to believe in me

 

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The Jewish people as nation have not been convinced by any ghost that they were wrong to not believe what Jesus taught or that Jesus was right about anything.

And according to Jesus in John 5:24 will be judged fairly. Just like he will judge you too. And according to 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 you will be condemned for deception in denying Jesus unless you repent before then.

Unless of course you deny the Holy Spirit too.

 

[DennisPTate]

I see. Consider this. Many people who claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit and start jumping around like monkeys squeaking and gibbering incoherently are full of something but it ain't holy. Jesus said that what he referred to as the Advocate, (the Avenger of blood) the Spirit of truth, would sent by him, Jesus, to reveal all of the truth including doing four specific tasks.

"If I do not go, your Advocate will not come, whereas if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes he will confute the world, and show where wrong and right and judgment lie. He will convict them of wrong, by refusing to believe in me; he will convince them that right is on my side, by showing that I go to the Father when I pass from your sight; and he will convince them of divine judgment, by showing that the prince of this world stands condemned." John 16:7-11


The truth is that what many people think of as "the Holy Spirit" has not done one of these four specific tasks that Jesus said he would be sent to do. Obviously they are mistaken. The Jewish people as nation have not been convinced by any ghost that they were wrong to not believe what Jesus taught or that Jesus was right about anything. Jumping around like a clown squeezing and gibbering incoherent noises is an obvious sign of demonic possession.

The end stages of a disintegrated mind, the death rattle of a soul.

So far,
all that the Holy Spirit had to accomplish was lead a "remnant" which is a relatively small portion of the whole group.

I believe that we are getting close to the time when the Holy Spirit will teach everybody from the least to the greatest, but so far,
it is only a small percentage of the entire group who is being convicted of their own sins and who are guided to dramatically change their lives over to obedience.

Romans nine, ten and eleven are pretty clear that it is not the majority, [yet], but in the future it will not be a mere "remnant."

1I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3“Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
7What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

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Israel’s Rejection Not TotalI say then, #Ps. 94:14; Jer. 46:28has God cast away His people? # Sam. 12:22; Jer. 31:37Certainly not! For # Cor. 11:22; Phil. 3:5I also am an Israelite, of the seed

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I do believe though that we are seeing hints of what is to come.

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35“Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

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Israel’s Rejection Not TotalI say then, #Ps. 94:14; Jer. 46:28has God cast away His people? # Sam. 12:22; Jer. 31:37Certainly not! For # Cor. 11:22; Phil. 3:5I also am an Israelite, of the seed

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[DennisPTate]

Ahem.

You are the one who refuses to believe that Jesus was just a Jewish man "raised up" by God to fulfill the promise of the prophet Moses spoke of in Deut 18:18. Instead you profess to believe in a false substitute counterfeit supernatural Jesus, a fake mangod, the Antichrist, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, one coequal part of an imaginary trinity, and violently unleashed on the entire world in 325ce.

Shalom Hobelim.... I am curious?

One near death experiencer reported that the Jesus - Yeshua Who he met during his brush with death told him that when Matthew chapter four was fulfilled, Yeshua - Jesus remembered having created Covering Cherub Helel. Could the Moshiach ben David. [Messiah the Passover Lamb Who fulfilled Isaiah chapter fifty three], be given the memories of the Being who created Covering Cherub Helel, [who apparently fell about sixty five to seventy million or so years ago]?


There are Jewish articles that write of the "Soul of Moshiach" being eventually bestowed on a specific human being in order to accomplish a particular role.

On the particular day that marks the end of the galut, when Mashiach will redeem Israel, the unique pre-existing soul of Mashiach ‘stored’ in Gan Eden from aforetimes will descend and be bestowed upon that tzadik.10 R. Mosheh Sofer summarizes this principle in his responsa:11

“As for the coming of the scion of David, I need to posit the following premise: Moses the first redeemer of Israel, reached the age of eighty years and did not know or sense that he would redeem Israel. Even when the Holy One, blessed be He, said to him, ‘Come and I will send you to Pharao…’ (Exodus 3:10), he declined and did not want to accept that mission. So it will be with the final redeemer.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”

Micah 5 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

Now gather yourself in troops,O daughter of troops;He has laid siege against us;They will # Kin. 22:24; Job 16:10; Lam. 3:30; Matt. 27:30; Mark 15:19strike the judge of Israel with a rod on the cheek.

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[hobelim]

Ahem.

You are the one who refuses to believe in Jesus who was a Jewish man "raised up" by God to fulfill the promise of "The Prophet" Moses spoke of in Deut 18:18. Instead you profess to believe in a false, substitute, counterfeit, supernatural Jesus, a fake mangod, the Antichrist, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, one coequal part of an imaginary trinity, and violently unleashed on the entire world in 325ce.

You might not realize this, go figure, lol, but I was born immune to the poison of serpents. So try and peddle your maudlin BS story somewhere else. Better yet. Ram it up your snout.

 

[hobelim]

Could the Moshiach ben David. [Messiah the Passover Lamb Who fulfilled Isaiah chapter fifty three], be given the memories of the Being who created Covering Cherub Helel, [who apparently fell about sixty five to seventy million or so years ago]?

I'm sure he had firsthand knowledge of that being, but given the memories? I don't think so. Jesus had his own memories of coming down from heaven and living among the creatures the other despised, to help them. Even so many accused him of being possessed by a devil.

Thats being said, yes, otherworldly beings from another sphere of intelligent life have been intimately involved with the evolution of the human species for at least 75 million years.

 

[hobelim]

There are Jewish articles that write of the "Soul of Moshiach" being eventually bestowed on a specific human being in order to accomplish a particular role.

That reminds me of the mystical Body of Christ with many living parts but only one head.

 

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And according to Jesus in John 5:24 will be judged fairly.

My Dear Sweet Poppet,

Then know that the Jewish people as a whole have always been right to reject out of hand your imaginary mangod, a false substitute counterfeit ascetic Jesus with all the powerful "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally, the spawn of a Roman trinity.

The Antichrist.

They have their reward already, whether still living now or died thousands of years ago. The reward of the righteous. Eternal life. Every last one. So let it be written. So let it be done.



Affectionately,

Secular Jesus